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[STRIPCLUB]

Rea's ideas are faulty.

Proof: Everything he says is based on the idea that anabolic use, by pushing the body to extremes of growth, creates a chemical backlash of estrogen and cortisol. He emphasizes that this happens with use in 2-3 weeks. He also states that the rising estrogen is due to the body's attempt to return to homeostasis, to cause HTPA suppression, and that any anabolic will do this.

Therefore, Mr. Rea's book is based on the above argument. This argument has two checkable facts:

1)Use of any anabolic steroid for more than 3 weeks will cause a significant increase in cortisol.

False.Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1982 Sep;101(1):108-12. Showed in men being given prolonged dose of nandrolone decanoate (Deca) no significant increase whatsoever in cortisol.

2)Use of any anabolic will create a rise in estrogen.

FalseMethenolone enanthate (Primo) when used in several groups showed no significant increase in estrogen.

The deca study above did show an increase in estrogen, but because deca aromitizes.

Use of non-aromitizing anabolics does not cause any increase in cortisol or estrogen of significance. Therefore, no cortisol-estrogen suppression phase, and no 4 week cycles are necessary or logical.

Use of aromitizing anabolics does not cause an increase in cortisol. The estrogen increase actually causes more growth, and should only be inhibited to the degree the individual is sensitive to estrogen.

Lastly, even if an anabolic binding to the anabolic receptor did cause an increase in estrogen and cortisol after two weeks, switching anabolics every 10 days as Rea does would not fix this, since all anabolics, even orals like dbol and winny, actually activate the anabolic receptor in modern research. But switching to a different injectable every 10 days, as Rea does, makes no sense even without this brand-new knowledge.

Rea's ideas are disproven. Basically, he would get ten vials of whatever in mexico and do them one a day until he got something else. He ate and he grew, and maybe he mistook success for science.

I would really like to hear ideas and proofs contrary to mine. I found Rea's work to be fascinating and thought-provoking, at least.

Remember, we are not just speaking of deca and primo. There is no mention of primo within the entirety of BTPB, if I am not mistaken. What should be considered is that we are using long acting test esthers at elevated dosages for brief periods of time usually with the inclusion of a "ramp" such as AD-50 or Metandienone for the initial 2 weeks which provide a period of "high activity" untill our long acting tests begin to take effect at their appropriate dosage threshold. Factor in active life as someone mentioned and there is an extended period of growth to be considered. Given the brief nature of our androgen injection protocol, we are able to inspire acceptable growth while avoiding for the most part the shut down of HPTA (caused by the introduction of excess synthetic testosterone/elevated estrogen levels resulting from this)

In all Max Androgen phases which are the phases which would most likely be of most value to the majority of members of this board, we are incorporating AAS which have a high incidence of aromatization. There for, Cortisol/Estrogen control phases are neccessary.

In my oppinion, depening on individual estrogen sensitivity, Novladex should be used during the first two weeks to control estrogen as not to eliminate the production of GH AND IGF-1 as they will enhance the effects of our protocol. After this, a suppressant should be used to clear out estrogen and cortisol in conjunction with the anabolism of deca leaving us in an anabolic state and able to avoid most post cycle mass loss.

 

[perp69]

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[paridhm]

In my opinion short cycles are useless. As a rule medications in youre system don't get to theraputiv levels until the 5th half life. This is also the point at which you have been taking the medication for a while and the blood levels are also starting to stablize and becoem more even. You'll just be getting your blood levels even when you quit. You'll still have plenty of grow left to do from the cycle.

I agree with you if your using a long ester such as cyp, enanthate or compound such as sustanon. But what about a short one such as propionate? I think a 6 weeker could benefit one if that is used.

 

[lardo5150]

are we talking only a 6 weeker on primo only? Could be.
Where is everyone who has tried the short cycles?

 

[STRIPCLUB]

are we talking only a 6 weeker on primo only? Could be.
Where is everyone who has tried the short cycles?

I'm right here.

 

[lardo5150]

how were your results?

 

[DieselGunz]

I'm right here.

Why does it say banned under your handle?




Great thread intersting thoughts