Can I gain muscle AND lose fat while on test cyp?

[thuglife247]

Doc put me on test cyp 200mg week, hcg, and AI. First time ever using. 174/ 14%. 31 yr old/ training hard for 5-6 mos. Very clean diet.

Basically, I want to know whether I should try to bulk up as much as I can, and then slim down, or can I just gain muscle, without gaining much fat on test cyp?

I know I should stick to the heavy, compound moves, but is there any other advice you guys can give? Cardio? etc...

Im a REAL newbie, so I would appreciate any and all advice from the more experienced cats out there.

 

[Sinister Minister]

Doc put me on test cyp 200mg week, hcg, and AI. First time ever using. 174/ 14%. 31 yr old/ training hard for 5-6 mos. Very clean diet.

Basically, I want to know whether I should try to bulk up as much as I can, and then slim down, or can I just gain muscle, without gaining much fat on test cyp?

I know I should stick to the heavy, compound moves, but is there any other advice you guys can give? Cardio? etc...

Im a REAL newbie, so I would appreciate any and all advice from the more experienced cats out there.

first off, ur dr put u on hrt which means hes attempting to bring ur levels up to normal. some people might be able to gain a lot off of that dosages and some dont so dont think that ur just gonna blow the f up on this dose. it is possible to gain lean muscle while not taking on too much excess body fat. At that rate its gonna take u longer to achieve a lot of results bc u wont be eating as much as someone else who may be trying to bulk up. I choose to bulk up with a lot of carbs and protein then come back and cut down as much bf as i can later. doing cardio will always benefit and help keep the bf under control so plan on keeping that into ur routine.

 

[littleb]

If doc put you on test at 31, that means your natty levels sucked. You should notice huge difference in your ability to put on muscle if thats the case. As for bulking then cutting,, you said you have only been really lifting for 5-6 months, i would not try to bulk and cut until you really get to know how your body reacts with the new found test. Just eat clean, high protein and throw in an extra meal or two and you should be happy..
Btw what were your test levels that doc put you on hrt?

 

[thuglife247]

Thanks guys. My test level was 338 way back in October. I busted my ass in the gym, ate perfect, and my level got up to 500. Im always lethargic, etc... Doc said its a good idea and that he wants to see me around 900-100.
Id really be thrilled if I can get down to about 9-10bf and put on about 8lbs of muscle. That equals dropping 8 lbs of fat and gaining about 8lbs of muscle. I hope thats doable in 3-4 months. I dont expect a HUGE physical change... I just hope that it helps my energy/ motivation levels.

 

[blue_steel74]

Thanks guys. My test level was 338 way back in October. I busted my ass in the gym, ate perfect, and my level got up to 500. Im always lethargic, etc... Doc said its a good idea and that he wants to see me around 900-100.
Id really be thrilled if I can get down to about 9-10bf and put on about 8lbs of muscle. That equals dropping 8 lbs of fat and gaining about 8lbs of muscle. I hope thats doable in 3-4 months. I dont expect a HUGE physical change... I just hope that it helps my energy/ motivation levels.

Wow, mine were 209 and i only got put on 100mg/week. But im also 24 and not 31

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks guys. My test level was 338 way back in October. I busted my ass in the gym, ate perfect, and my level got up to 500. Im always lethargic, etc... Doc said its a good idea and that he wants to see me around 900-100.
Id really be thrilled if I can get down to about 9-10bf and put on about 8lbs of muscle. That equals dropping 8 lbs of fat and gaining about 8lbs of muscle. I hope thats doable in 3-4 months. I dont expect a HUGE physical change... I just hope that it helps my energy/ motivation levels.

your levels are fine. you shouldn't be on HRT at 31

i would just stash that test away for the future, i mean its nice to get a script but you don't need to inject yourself for the rest of your life every week when your levels are 500! . not sure why your doc put you on HRT with 500 levels, probably just trying to milk you for money.. that is around where I am at myself and I am also in my early 30's.. i don't foresee myself going on HRT till atleast 55+ ... its a tremendous waste to go on now, you don't need it. seems like you were doing well once you started exercising and eating good.

there are other factors with you feeling un-motivated or lethargic. could be poor diet, lack of exercise, sleep, stress, depression, etc etc.

anyway to answer your question you are just gonna suppress your natural testosterone and replace it with what you are injecting.. so really you won't notice much of a difference.. and no you aren't gonna put on 8 pounds of muscle and lose 8 pounds of fat either juicing. its about working out and eating right which makes the difference.

 

[Sinister Minister]

Thanks guys. My test level was 338 way back in October. I busted my ass in the gym, ate perfect, and my level got up to 500. Im always lethargic, etc... Doc said its a good idea and that he wants to see me around 900-100.
Id really be thrilled if I can get down to about 9-10bf and put on about 8lbs of muscle. That equals dropping 8 lbs of fat and gaining about 8lbs of muscle. I hope thats doable in 3-4 months. I dont expect a HUGE physical change... I just hope that it helps my energy/ motivation levels.

and that my friend is exactly what HRT is supposed to do!

 

[littleb]

your levels are fine. you shouldn't be on HRT at 31

i would just stash that test away for the future, i mean its nice to get a script but you don't need to inject yourself for the rest of your life every week when your levels are 500! . not sure why your doc put you on HRT with 500 levels, probably just trying to milk you for money.. that is around where I am at myself and I am also in my early 30's.. i don't foresee myself going on HRT till atleast 55+ ... its a tremendous waste to go on now, you don't need it. seems like you were doing well once you started exercising and eating good.

there are other factors with you feeling un-motivated or lethargic. could be poor diet, lack of exercise, sleep, stress, depression, etc etc.

anyway to answer your question you are just gonna suppress your natural testosterone and replace it with what you are injecting.. so really you won't notice much of a difference.. and no you aren't gonna put on 8 pounds of muscle and lose 8 pounds of fat either juicing. its about working out and eating right which makes the difference.

^^agree^^ thats why i asked what your levels were, I was assuming you were low, but 500 area pretty decent, thats where i am now natty.. save it up then run a nice 8-12 week cycle but hrt at 31 is NOT the way to go unless you got real low natty test and have tried everything else to raise levels..

 

[SWOLNUTZ]

You can cut fat while on test cyp, the only problem is that it's really hard to see until you come off the test. Once that water disappears, then you see what you have underneath.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Doc put me on test cyp 200mg week, hcg, and AI. First time ever using. 174/ 14%. 31 yr old/ training hard for 5-6 mos. Very clean diet.

Basically, I want to know whether I should try to bulk up as much as I can, and then slim down, or can I just gain muscle, without gaining much fat on test cyp?

I know I should stick to the heavy, compound moves, but is there any other advice you guys can give? Cardio? etc...

Im a REAL newbie, so I would appreciate any and all advice from the more experienced cats out there.

Imo you need to find out whats going on with you correct the problem instead of masking it.

I would guess diet is ur anwser

 

[TONY83]

Wow, mine were 209 and i only got put on 100mg/week. But im also 24 and not 31

mine were at 80 and i am at 200mg/2w. My doc would never even consider trt even if i was at the low end of "normal" range.

 

[auslifter90]

500? man did they give you a free test reading? theres nothing wrong with those levels, you could drastically improve your free test with natural supplements, even just using a natural AI, more free test will combat your lethargy and mood
pinning for the rest of your life with those levels is 100% a mistake.

 

[calpoly]

Keep the script and collect the cyp, and run cycles every now and then

 

[stevesmi]

500? man did they give you a free test reading? theres nothing wrong with those levels, you could drastically improve your free test with natural supplements, even just using a natural AI, more free test will combat your lethargy and mood
pinning for the rest of your life with those levels is 100% a mistake.

yeah this is what i am trying to explain to him. in a year when he quits on the gym and his gains are substandard he will want to come off and reality will set in that he is stuck for life.

his doc will prescribe him clomid and nolva and his libido won't work anymore. its like a domino

 

[thuglife247]

Hey guys... I appreciate all the advice, but I decided to try it out anyways. I took my first HCG shot today. I think I may just run it as a "cycle" for a few months, and see where it takes me.
I do get a lot of conflicting opinions on all this... A lot of people I talk to that have been on this for a few years say its a blessing. They get their blood checked regularly, are fertile, and have no problems with libido. On the other hand many of you instructed against it... It just makes me very curious as to why there is such a range in people's views on this matter.
I figure I will try it out for a few months, and see what happens. Maybe until the end of July.
Thank you all for your opinions. I value the fact that you all took time to help.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ are you planning on staying on forever?

 

[needtogetaas]

Doc put me on test cyp 200mg week, hcg, and AI. First time ever using. 174/ 14%. 31 yr old/ training hard for 5-6 mos. Very clean diet.

Basically, I want to know whether I should try to bulk up as much as I can, and then slim down, or can I just gain muscle, without gaining much fat on test cyp?

I know I should stick to the heavy, compound moves, but is there any other advice you guys can give? Cardio? etc...

Im a REAL newbie, so I would appreciate any and all advice from the more experienced cats out there.

That all depends on your diet, training, and level of dedication my good friend

 

[calpoly]

Someone just sounds lazy

 

[the_alcatraz]

why are you on HRT this young?

 

[Elite Ink Tattoo]

Hello Folks:
This is my first post. I was researching HRT cuz my endocrinologist has me on it.

A little history. I am 59 years young. I have always been a workoutaholic. I tried Dianabol and Anavar back in the early 80's, 1-cycle. Put on some nice musce mass.

Anyways, my kidneys failed in 2012. I went from 260 to 168lbs! I look like a concentration camp victim at present. My Testosterone level was checked and it is 85 ng/dl. Besides loosing body hair and being lethargic. I knew there was a problem when gynomastia appeared! Not fun. So I went to a Doctor to be tested.

My Doctor put me on Axiron. 60 mg per day. The first 30 days is free but after that it would cost me $425 a month for a 30 day supply. Needless to say I cannot afford that on my $1257 a month disability. So I have been researching Test Cyp injectable as an alternative. I have found 10ml vials (200mg per ml) for $135. If I only take 1 ml per week it would cost me 1/6 the amount of money spent compared to Axiron. The Dialysis will check my blood serum level of test every 2 weeks so that I can try to get my level up to 600-800 ng/dl. That should be good enough to help me put on muscle.

I am not worried about Gyno cuz I already have a problem. With the Test it might go down, but either way I already have a surgeon who will remove the offending appendages. My kidney failure is what threw off my hormone levels, so I am covered by my Kidney Foundation Insurance for surgery and doctors but not for meds.

I know that no drug will help a person lose fat, diet and exercise will do that..No easy way out! Fortunately, being fat does not seem to be my problem at present.

Does anyone know how much Cyp I would have to take to keep my blood serum levels of Test up high?

 

[goin on 4T]

Hello Folks:
This is my first post. I was researching HRT cuz my endocrinologist has me on it.

A little history. I am 59 years young. I have always been a workoutaholic. I tried Dianabol and Anavar back in the early 80's, 1-cycle. Put on some nice musce mass.

Anyways, my kidneys failed in 2012. I went from 260 to 168lbs! I look like a concentration camp victim at present. My Testosterone level was checked and it is 85 ng/dl. Besides loosing body hair and being lethargic. I knew there was a problem when gynomastia appeared! Not fun. So I went to a Doctor to be tested.

My Doctor put me on Axiron. 60 mg per day. The first 30 days is free but after that it would cost me $425 a month for a 30 day supply. Needless to say I cannot afford that on my $1257 a month disability. So I have been researching Test Cyp injectable as an alternative. I have found 10ml vials (200mg per ml) for $135. If I only take 1 ml per week it would cost me 1/6 the amount of money spent compared to Axiron. The Dialysis will check my blood serum level of test every 2 weeks so that I can try to get my level up to 600-800 ng/dl. That should be good enough to help me put on muscle.

I am not worried about Gyno cuz I already have a problem. With the Test it might go down, but either way I already have a surgeon who will remove the offending appendages. My kidney failure is what threw off my hormone levels, so I am covered by my Kidney Foundation Insurance for surgery and doctors but not for meds.

I know that no drug will help a person lose fat, diet and exercise will do that..No easy way out! Fortunately, being fat does not seem to be my problem at present.

Does anyone know how much Cyp I would have to take to keep my blood serum levels of Test up high?

Hey bro don't hijack other people's thread. Please start your own thread.