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Brock Lesner--UFC
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lartinos said:
It's a Nevada State Athletic Commission rule. You can easily cause a concussion, cause brain damage, cause paralysis, and cause organ failure with a well placed blow to the back of a skull. You have no opportunity to tap to avoid this.
NSAC rules also state that a fighter knocked unconscious cannot fight for at least 3 months and after a medical clearance. If an athlete is beaten unconscious, he's out of circulation for that time and not making promoters money.
Worst case scenario with that "gay ass leg lock" Mir put on Lesnar is ligament tears around the knee and perhaps broken shin bones. You may limp for the rest of your life if your heel is twisted hard, but you will still live a fairly normal life.
The UFC matchmakers should have given Lesnar an easier fight with a name opponent like Kimo Leopold.
Also someone mentioned pitting him against a striker. Personally I think that is a bad idea until Lesnar's jaw gets tested by an inferior striker.
You guys who say things like all he needs to do is pick up submissions have to realize that effective submission fighting is a skill set at least as important as wrestling and as technically demanding. Lots of guys just cannot pick it up. Striking is similar. It is a totally different skill set from wrestling. These are skills you don't just pick up easily and then you have the skill of integrating all of these skills into a smooth transitioning package. Look at Kevin Randleman. He is one of the NCAA's most legendary wrestlers and after years in MMA what can he do? Wrestle. He can't fight off the bottom, his striking is so-so, his submissions are almost nonexistent.
Also someone mentioned pitting him against a striker. Personally I think that is a bad idea until Lesnar's jaw gets tested by an inferior striker.
You guys who say things like all he needs to do is pick up submissions have to realize that effective submission fighting is a skill set at least as important as wrestling and as technically demanding. Lots of guys just cannot pick it up. Striking is similar. It is a totally different skill set from wrestling. These are skills you don't just pick up easily and then you have the skill of integrating all of these skills into a smooth transitioning package. Look at Kevin Randleman. He is one of the NCAA's most legendary wrestlers and after years in MMA what can he do? Wrestle. He can't fight off the bottom, his striking is so-so, his submissions are almost nonexistent.
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lartinos
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well, thanks for the in depth answer........Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I still think if they are going to make anything illegal it should be gay/boring moves like leg locks illegal. One fucked up leg and a guy will never fight again as you stated. You should be able to punch a guy wherever you want. If I want rules like that I'll watch boxing. Even though in a fight one of these mixed martial artists could kick a boxer's ass, these fights don't even compare to a good 10 round boxing match.
lartinos said:
If you got put into that same leglock I *PROMISE* that you would not be calling it "gay ass"....
But I do see your point, and I miss the old style "anything goes" rules, however they felt they could not grow until they introduced enough rules to make it into a "sport". I don't agree with that logic but that's what I heard the reason is.
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lartinos
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yeah, i get the whole reasoning why. But to watch a guy who should get his face beat in use these faggety rules to purposely lean his head forward knowing if brock hit him he would "get in trouble". In a real fight it just seems like brock would have fucked him up and that is my real problem with this whole thing.bluejay said:
lartinos said:
I think lots of guys saw a different fight than I did. That blow to the back of the head happened while Mir was working a sweep to put Lesnar on his back. The call that got the fight stood up favored Lesnar as much as Mir. It gave Lesnar the opportunity to strike and take Mir down again and avoid the sweep. Lesnar never had Mir in any real danger. He scored a few takedowns and noogied Mir, but never hurt him. Lesnar makes a lot of fundamental mistakes like not underhooking on the ground which crafty fighters can easily exploit.
In regards to banning submissions, don't be surprised to see them start disappearing. It will start with spine and neck locks and then probably move to twisting knee locks. I'm not sure of the statistics, but when injuries are had by submissions, it is often by neck cranks and even more often by twisting knee locks.
You're missing the marketing element of the big picture. The UFC wants to be mainstream, so over time more rules will be added and more violence removed. In the earlier UFC's there were no gloves, no weight classes, and no time limits. All fighting techniques were legal except fish hooking, biting, and gouging. There was one fighter victorious at UFC 2 that won mainly due to repeated groin strikes to his downed opponent. The UFC suffered an American pay-per-view ban in the later mid 1990's due to it's violence. To keep the law on it's side, the UFC must appease politicians and I think the UFC did so by aligning with the NSAC.
If you want something a bit closer to "real fighting", I refer you to 'Rio Heroes'. It's a bareknuckle that league has rules, but they are much fewer than the UFC.
truckdaddy
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MMA is a new sport...alot of people have not relized the skill that goes into all the submissions....I enjoy a good sub as much as a big KO. Lesner did pretty good for a guy that has a year or so in BJJ training. Lets remember, he was fighting a former UFC champ. Not shabby.
Well remember Royce Gracie had unbelievable skill the guy was grappling at 4 years old typically when some is much bigger and stronger your in trouble that is why they have weight classes but sometimes skill out weighs strength and mass but in a general sense not often. In Brock and Frank'sBOWTECH said:
case Frank is far more skilled then Brock by a long country mile
