Brock Lesner--UFC

[big_daws]

Lesnar never had Mir in any real danger.

Are you fcking stupid or just blind?

 

[perryscoon]

I know a lot of you guys love Brock cuz he was an the WWE, etc, but unfortunately he has a lot to learn to do well in MMA. He could probably beat some scrubs very easily with that tackle and pound shit, but a skilled grappler is going to see right through that and take advantage of his lack of knowlege, as Mir did.

 

[searay]

ufc is an awesome sport in regards to the skill level of these fighters. you never know whts going to happen next. i think removing things like submissions takes out a skill source and removes an advantage a fighter has that can use his head evn while puches are raining down on him. i think it took alot of guts for mir to simply not put his hands over his head until the ref stopped it. instead he kept his composier and beat him. Ive seen some visious submission holds like a standing choke hold where i thought the guys head was gonna pop off. ive also seen a fighter work his way out of leg lock that looked like his leg was broken until he got out of it and somehow he was fine. but then theres tim silvia who got his arm broken in an arm bar waiting to long to tap. some of these guys just refuse to lose letting themselves go unconsious rather than tap. for the most part submissions are out of the game 3-4 minutes into the first round due to the amount of sweat buildup and its alot easier to pull out. brock just needs to smarten up and use his head so he doesnt get caught so easily early in the fight.

 

[stunter954]

I lost money on that fight, lesner will be pretty tough if he can work on not getting cought in a submission and learn that you cant just lay on someone and use hammer fists.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I personally like to watch a good fight with strong elements of BJJ. There is so much going on if you know what they are doing. I don't find submissions boring.

I agree with you. I mainly train in BJJ and submission, so that is of course my area of interest. Most people who do not train, cannot see what is going on due to the extreme subtle motions of BJJ. How many times have you been grappling and known that if you could just slide something over a fraction of an inch or slightly tip your weight in a certain direction, you would have a submission or vast improvement in position? It's almost invisible to a camera. Effective BJJ and submission is more about the set ups for the submissions than the submissions themselves. You can have an encyclopediaful of submission locks, but if you can't set them up and transition when you lose them you are worse off than the guy that knows only a few basic submissions, but has really strong transitions and set ups ability. I'm sure strikers and wrestlers will see their art the same way.

 

[lartinos]

I think lots of guys saw a different fight than I did. That blow to the back of the head happened while Mir was working a sweep to put Lesnar on his back. The call that got the fight stood up favored Lesnar as much as Mir. It gave Lesnar the opportunity to strike and take Mir down again and avoid the sweep. Lesnar never had Mir in any real danger. He scored a few takedowns and noogied Mir, but never hurt him. Lesnar makes a lot of fundamental mistakes like not underhooking on the ground which crafty fighters can easily exploit.

In regards to banning submissions, don't be surprised to see them start disappearing. It will start with spine and neck locks and then probably move to twisting knee locks. I'm not sure of the statistics, but when injuries are had by submissions, it is often by neck cranks and even more often by twisting knee locks.

You're missing the marketing element of the big picture. The UFC wants to be mainstream, so over time more rules will be added and more violence removed. In the earlier UFC's there were no gloves, no weight classes, and no time limits. All fighting techniques were legal except fish hooking, biting, and gouging. There was one fighter victorious at UFC 2 that won mainly due to repeated groin strikes to his downed opponent. The UFC suffered an American pay-per-view ban in the later mid 1990's due to it's violence. To keep the law on it's side, the UFC must appease politicians and I think the UFC did so by aligning with the NSAC.

If you want something a bit closer to "real fighting", I refer you to 'Rio Heroes'. It's a bareknuckle that league has rules, but they are much fewer than the UFC.

I of course did not see what you saw with Mir, and I'm sure he may have had the possibility of doing something. His face was also pretty fucked up from those punches as well, you can only take so many before you're done.

 

[ALIN]

Just thought id throw this in...Lesner lost 1st round to Frank Mirr by submission...Lesner is still one big some bitch..lol

seen a clip of the fight, the submission is the only thing that cuaght him

 

[lazer84]

Brock seemed to go all out on this and it sure as hell took some guts to fight a submission fighter/ former champ. He seemed to train as hard as he could, which is very admireable to me.
If anyone can learn submission defense in a short period of time, it will be him---his work ethic in unquestioned.

 

[lartinos]

I watched it again and you can kinda tell that mir was pulling some good moves (not entertaining ones) there at the end that brock had no idea how to combat. I will tell you that brock is easy to root for and will intimidate many people because he is a big, quick, and scary son of a bitch. Brock seemed to have him in much better position the first time when the gay penalty was called too.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I watched it again and you can kinda tell that mir was pulling some good moves (not entertaining ones) there at the end that brock had no idea how to combat. I will tell you that brock is easy to root for and will intimidate many people because he is a big, quick, and scary son of a bitch. Brock seemed to have him in much better position the first time when the gay penalty was called too.

What works well for guys like Lesnar who can get the takedown and have the speed to move to the side fast is a forearm drop. Instead of hammerfisting he can push Mir's head down with his right hand to hold it still, then drop his weight from the hand holding Mir down while curlling his holding hand up to strike with the elbow or forearm. It's literally the opposite motion of the hammerfist. Randy Couture uses it a lot as does Tito Ortiz.