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iceman7230
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Bridging supresses you still just not as much
The Bridge
By Ross Erstling(Owner & President of Supreme Sports Enhancements)http://www.supremesportsfitness.com/viewtopic.php?t=37
Post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified..
The steroid user has TWO options:
1.) A Bridge
2.) A Cruise
In this chapter, we discuss the purpose of the BRIDGE.
The Bridge allows you to remain in an anabolic state while simultaneously having a MINIMAL intereference with HPTA function. Once you are FULLY RECOVERED and your PCT is complete, you can begin bridging while awaiting your FULL CYCLE. This will allow you to make GREATER THAN NATURAL GAINS, while still maintaining normal testosterone levels.
Bridging can ONLY be accomplished using a very specific and limited number of compounds. The selected compound must first be MINIMALLY supressive to the HPTA, and secondly, must still be healthy and effective in small dosages.
The following steroid combinations can be used effectively for Bridging.
Anavar/Proviron= 200mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 20mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 30mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs
**ADD AndroGenerator to COMPLETELY minimize HPTA inhibition!
By Ross Erstling(Owner & President of Supreme Sports Enhancements)http://www.supremesportsfitness.com/viewtopic.php?t=37
Post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified..
The steroid user has TWO options:
1.) A Bridge
2.) A Cruise
In this chapter, we discuss the purpose of the BRIDGE.
The Bridge allows you to remain in an anabolic state while simultaneously having a MINIMAL intereference with HPTA function. Once you are FULLY RECOVERED and your PCT is complete, you can begin bridging while awaiting your FULL CYCLE. This will allow you to make GREATER THAN NATURAL GAINS, while still maintaining normal testosterone levels.
Bridging can ONLY be accomplished using a very specific and limited number of compounds. The selected compound must first be MINIMALLY supressive to the HPTA, and secondly, must still be healthy and effective in small dosages.
The following steroid combinations can be used effectively for Bridging.
Anavar/Proviron= 200mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 20mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 30mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 30mgs/200mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs
**ADD AndroGenerator to COMPLETELY minimize HPTA inhibition!
Every one of those compounds will suppress and at those dosages it's likely your LH will be zero within a couple of weeks. (With the possible exception of proviron),
People bridge because they don't really understand aas. The ones that do know that there is no such thing as bridging. You are either ON or OFF.
They claim that bridging is being on very low doses, well guess what? you're still ON!
please provide me with proof that this is not supressive and or does not mean you're on, something not written by Ross.
needtogetaas
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-up-your-cycles-often-blast-cruse-621307.html
of course you are on. But making the statement that people who bridge "don't really understand aas" is not correct at all bro. Yes there are people who do bridge who do not need to. Yes there are people who bridge who are dumb asses. Yes there are people who "don't really understand aas" who do bridge, but You can't make a general statement like this when you yourself may not be that well versed in the subject.
Bridging (yes staying on) is very real and there is such a thing. Though the name bridging I have never agreed with it is what it is. I also feel that not many people on this board should even have to worry about it at this point, but it is a topic that people should learn about if by chance the end up getting to that level down the road. We are a information site and this is a very much one of the aspects of aas use.
needtogetaas
New member
THis is what I would call it. Bridge cruise what ever you call it its the same thing. Cruising gives it more of that "yes your still on" feel in the name.
I completely agree with your blast and cruise thread, but this is not bridging.
Bridging is a myth. No matter what dose you take of aas, you are on. Low, high, moderate, you are on.
Calling it bridging and thinking that it does not suppress you, IMO is an illogical statement and does not show much of an understanding of aas. That is all I'm saying.
I think you would agree that the term bridging is incorrect.
Cruise just means you're on, but at low dosages. I have nothing against this word, because you will still be supressed and will still get sides, even though you are "cruising"
But claiming that you can 'bridge" and it won't supress you, because bridging is something you do in between cycles is not a very good thing to do.
needtogetaas
New member
Yes this is true. I mean at the heart of it I truly feel that if you are going to bridge or cruise you should understand that (never fully recovering) becomes more and more of a real possibility. Can you still recover if you did a long blast and cruise cycle. Yes you can but the risk of never recovering goes up a lot.
The thought of staying on for life should not scare you if you plan on doing this. Because its a real possibility.
No one claimed that bridging will allow FULL HPTA recovery. No one stated that bridging will not suppress you.
If you read my article, I state that bridging is only to be used by advanced bodybuilders, where maintaining muscle mass is more important than a full HPTA recovery at THAT time.
Run 200-300mg of Primo with 50mg Proviron and BOOM; you are bridging EFFECTIVELY. Such a bridge will allow you to remain in a highly anabolic state while having a minimal influence on the HPTA. Of course, full HPTA recovery while still on any compound is virtually impossible.
All of the compounds I listed have a minimal influence on the HPTA at the dosages I prescribed. Even Dianabol, a strong androgenic steroid with moderate estrogenic properties, BARELY even reduced testosterone levels at 100mg ED!
"In this study, done in the early 80´s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it´s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it´s original value, and FSH went down about a third also"
Take this study on Proviron, another androgenic steroid:
Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.Related Articles, Links
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.
Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.
We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS
iceman7230
New member
Ross hit the spot. No one ever said bridging was not supressive. Call it what you want bridging or crusing. It is used between cycles in order to stay on while not being as supressed as on a higher dosed cycle.
I can't beleive people get so uspet about this topic LOL!
Shit I am starting to get angry HA HA, better lower the masteron dose!
I can't beleive people get so uspet about this topic LOL!
Shit I am starting to get angry HA HA, better lower the masteron dose!
Okay, I can buy that ...BUT...there are many variables. For example, if you do a very suppressive cycle, bridging will keep you suppressed longer and possibly shut you down irreparably. But if you're still producing some T and go on low dose Primo, you might be able to thread in the same spot for a while. Of course, this is all speculation, which leads us to the same point -- either recover, or stay on.
Maintaining gains is ALL about Proper PCT and diet. I've never lost more than 10-15% of what I gained during a cycle because my diet is in check and my PCT is spot-on.
You don't need to stay ON to maintain gains. That is simply not good advice at all bro...I honestly disagree with your theory of BRIDGING....and supression, possibly permanently for staying ON so long is not worth the hassle....
In my opinion, whatever you're doing that you are trying to qualify as not on, because the term bridging means that you are not on, is useless...it does more harm than gain, so it's not worth it...IMO telling someone to stay ON is bad advice.
no one disagree with this either...this is a very general statement.
All I disgree on is that bridging is ON! You are still ON, so why call it bridging. You are not bridging between cycles, you are ON a cycle, because even the slightest use of aas means you're ON.
So this is bridging?
Huge cycle, small cycle, huge cycle, small cycle...for like a year, and you are saying you will not be supressed very much?
How is that possible?
After the first huge cycle, you will be supressed and you need proper extended PCT to fully recover, going into a small cycle (because bridging is beind ON) will further supress you, regardless of the dosages....this is why people are getting upset, because they see that the harm outweighs the benefit.
smtimelevi
New member
folks say bridging because its a smaller temporary span between to larger bodies. Ya know like a bridge. Just terminology dudski.
Actual recovrey is questionable
If you just alternate steroids and doses its not a cycle, its a constant. If you are constantly bridging between "cycles" then there is no cycle.
Are you kidding me bro?
Offcourse it's a cycle. It's just a really long cycle. He cant stay on his entire life...folks who "bridge" need to understand that they are ON and they will be supressed, possibly permanantly
iceman7230
New member
You are making this more complicated than it is bro. I personally am on hrt so I will be supressed for ever so in between cycles I go low doses so I am not supressed as much.
As for someone like yourself that wants to go on and off with pct the shorter cycles will be beneficial so you do not get supresses as much(as you probably already know, I hope). That way it is easier to recover.
For people who want to stay on longer cycles and bridge(cruise) so they are not getting the bad sides of staying on big cycles for long periods of time it can be benificial to bridge.
I am not recommending this to anyone, I am just saying the longer you stay on big cycles the harder on your body. These so called bridges will make it less stressful on your body if you are going to stay on longer cycles.
Comprede amigo?
Like I said already, going from a very supressive cycle to a "bridge" (what you call a less supressive cycle with less sides) will not get you unsupressed...because you're already supressed from the long and very supressive cycle, so you'll need a full active recovery PCT or you risk being supressed for good...
Everything you are saying is accurate, except for the fact that what you're calling a bridge, i.e. cruise will supress you still and doing it between two highly-supressive cycles just means you will be supressed throughout and risk being supressed for good.
I'd also appreciate if you didn't talk to me in a condescending tone, comprende me amigo?
EPROM
Banned
Two scenarios:
(1) BodyBuilder "A": This person does two 12 week cycles per year and bridges between cycles (Jan-Feb-Mar = On Cycle, April-May-June = Bridge, July-August-September = On Cycle, October-November-December = Bridge).
(2) BodyBuilder "B": This person does three 12 week cycles per year and does not bridge between cycles, but instead uses standard PCT (Jan-Feb-Mar = On Cycle, April-May = Off Cycle/PCT, June-July-August = On Cycle, September-October - Off Cycle/PCT, November-December-January = On Cycle).
...Both are dangerous, but which bodybuilder is doing the most "potential" damage to his HPTA? Is a shortened PCT period between three large cycles better or worse than a low-dose bridge between two large cycles?
Birdman
(1) BodyBuilder "A": This person does two 12 week cycles per year and bridges between cycles (Jan-Feb-Mar = On Cycle, April-May-June = Bridge, July-August-September = On Cycle, October-November-December = Bridge).
(2) BodyBuilder "B": This person does three 12 week cycles per year and does not bridge between cycles, but instead uses standard PCT (Jan-Feb-Mar = On Cycle, April-May = Off Cycle/PCT, June-July-August = On Cycle, September-October - Off Cycle/PCT, November-December-January = On Cycle).
...Both are dangerous, but which bodybuilder is doing the most "potential" damage to his HPTA? Is a shortened PCT period between three large cycles better or worse than a low-dose bridge between two large cycles?
Birdman
iceman7230
New member
I am not trying to be condecending to you at all. I am trying to educate people what a so called bridge is used for. You were saying you did not understand and I was only explaining how they work.
I know you will probably never use a bridge because you do pct's.
I do not do pct's because I am on doctor prescribed hrt and do not need them.
I appreciate your disscusion with me and the boards and am not trying to offend you, just letting you know what I know and trying to explain to you my ideas. I don't know what you know or how much you know. It seems like we both know one is going to be supressed on a bridge.
It's all good bro, right?
Both will be very supressed, simply because your definition of a bridge is a small cylcle after a very supressive cycle, not having done PCT, which means he will not take time off to get his HPTA back in full gear, so he will build on a very supressed HPTA and therefore become more supressed.
The entire notion of a bridge is to continue running aas at a low dose before you hit a heavy cycle. So in a sense, you are not OFF at all nor are you giving your HPTA a break because you are not coming off or recovering...even very low dosages will supress you, no not as much as high dosages, but when you're already supressed from the last cycle, and you continue with low dosages, you will be even more supressed.
I find it weird that people think a bridge is a tmime to recover. You need a full PCT to recover. A bridge is simply not enough. You need to be OFF completely.
And offcourse we're cool. There are no hard feelings. This is a discussion and as long as it's respectful and there is no flaming, then it's all good.
smtimelevi
New member
For sure!
I just hope people dont think they are going to recover by taking primo for 8 weeks after 4 months of test and deca. The vets know this! The newbs dont, that the problem. Some roid fiend that is scared of loosing his gains hears "bride" and thinks "you mean I can stay on and recover" Thats all bad. It needs to be known that this is dobutful at best.
Only reason I would see a bridge to be logical is if a user plans to stay on indefinately and is attempting to save money and doesnt care about their nuts.
No offense bro, but your current level of muscular development does not REQUIRE that you run a bridge. You have not surpassed your natural limit enough yet for you to require a bridge in order to maintain muscle mass and strength year-round. You are still an INTERMEDIATE bodybuilder.
Bridging is for advanced bros like ME who REQUIRE bridging occasionally in order to remain so far beyond our natural limits.
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Uh oh, thems are fightin' words.
At any rate, I don't think Al'z point has to do with his development. And I'm not sure what makes Ross so advanced. And the whole thing sounds like a bunch of rationalizing. An advanced bodybuilder should actually be able to hold on to his development BETTER. Bridging is simply wanting to be in a heightened anabolic state. You can call it cruising, coasting, sliding, skiing, sloping, transitioning, puddle jumping, gliding or a pastrami sandwich. YOU'RE ON!
Bridging is for ADVANCED bodybuilders with extensive cycling experience. Once you reach a certain size, there is NO PCT that will keep you THAT SIZE! Plain and simple.
When I had only a few cycles under my belt, I would KEEP ALL OF MY GAINS with a standard PCT(Clomid/Adex). Once I became so muscular beyond my natural capacities, I started to require bridging throughout the year, during time which would normally be completely OFF.
I don't disagree. But it' being "on." I don;t get why this is such a debate.
needtogetaas
New member
At a pro level yes bro most of them do need to "Stay on" bridge cruise what every you want to call it.
Sadly ross is not at this level ether. And for him to say you are not at a level where you need to do this yet and he is. Well thats a complement to you bro. After all You are 3 times as big as he is. He is a tiny bit more ripped up in some of his pics, but non the less you have 3 times the muscle mass he does.
Ross should play nice.
You are kidding me, right bro?
As I said, it was no offense to Alcatraz, but to say he is at my level of development is just silly Need2 my man.
I'll have to get some new pics up
Good, so we agree.
With all due respect Ross, I'll eat you alive, powerlifting, bodybuilding, you name it...
For someone who's married, has two jobs, and does this as a hobby, I think I look pretty good.
Don't stretch your legs too far man, you'll hurt yourself by letting your ego get the best of you. If you don't have an intelligent argument to prove a point, don't say you looke better than me, cause all I've seen are a few old pictures, and you don't look that great. My lats are bigger than you're entire body.
You are kidding me, right bro?
As I said, it was no offense to Alcatraz, but to say he is at my level of development is just silly Need2 my man.
I'll have to get some new pics up
Keep those glasses on and I'll get you some pink lemonade and a stand. You can be the EF mascot. Leave the bodybuilding to us.
iceman7230
New member
I don't remember anyone saying that using a bridge is to recover. In fact there is no one that posted this in this whole discussion.
This thread is a complete misconseption of what the post was all about.
WOW!
This thread is a complete misconseption of what the post was all about.
WOW!
Bro, take a look at these from over a year ago:
Sorry to break it to you, but at THAT level of development, Clomid and Adex just won't cut it.
I never said you don't look great my friend. I am not insulting you, I am simply stating the facts. The POINT is that at my level of muscular development, bridging becomes very important.
iceman7230
New member
Mad respect to you Ross for all your hard work!
What are your stats these days?
I just currently reached 250 at 8% bf at 6'. Feeling beastly!
What are your stats these days?
I just currently reached 250 at 8% bf at 6'. Feeling beastly!
I think the issue is why ''bridge'' i.e. use smaller amounts why not simply stay on as that is effectively what is happening just at a lower dosage for what benefit?
Wrongun!
Chrisco915
Banned
What is the difference between Bridging and Cruising? Is there one? Sounds like the same thing. Even my Dr calls my low dosage use....cruising.
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lookin solid bro! but still no reason for you guys to argue back and forth..
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lookin solid bro! but still no reason for you guys to argue back and forth..
The Cruise
By Ross Erstling(Owner & President of SSE)
The "Cruise" is simply bridging done with TESTOSTERONE.
Briding with Testosterone(cruising) is VERY effective for the maintenance and generation of muscle mass and strength, and is actually safer for the body overall than bridging with perhaps any other compound. HOWEVER, the primary difference with cruising, is that THE HPTA NEVER RECOVERS!
I repeat: Crusing will NOT ALLOW THE HPTA TO RECOVER AT ALL.
Crusing is a great option for those who are OLDER or for those who have damaged HPTA's. If you do not plan on having children, and are producing little endogenous testosterone anyway, CRUSING is the right option for you.
Typically, the testosterone dosage used to cruise is between 150-300 mgs per week. When users decide to go "ON cycle" they simply increase their testosterone dosage to 500-750mgs, while adding another compound or two for an increased synergism. It should be noted that studies have demonstrated that at dosages between 150-250mgs, endogenous testosterone production was sustained to a small degree when an AI such as arimidex was used.
For every GOAL, there is a PATH.
Chrisco915
Banned
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............I get you.
As for the "Crusing is a great option for those who are OLDER "........I resemble that remark.
As for the "Crusing is a great option for those who are OLDER "........I resemble that remark.
Exactly what I'm getting at.
well, you did insult me...for you to say something like I don't understand or you don't need because you don't look that great or you're not an advanced bodybuilder is pretty insulting...
For you to come out of the blue, because of a lack of argument, post pictures of yourself and try to say "this is why I bridge" and try to make the argument personal is pretty week...learn how to defend your arguments without making it personal...I understand why so many people on this board have so many problems with you
So, we all agree that bridging will still supress you but not as much as being on a big cycle.
The issue we disagree on is the fact that whether or not a bridge is safe, necessary and/or realistic.
One opinion says that the bridge is done to link two diff. big cycles to help maintain gains without being very supressive.
The other opinion says that a bridge will further supress you because you are already out of a very supressive cycle, and without proper PCT you can harm yourself and be supressed for good.
It seems we are not coming to an agreement, so it's up to you to determine which works for you best.
The issue we disagree on is the fact that whether or not a bridge is safe, necessary and/or realistic.
One opinion says that the bridge is done to link two diff. big cycles to help maintain gains without being very supressive.
The other opinion says that a bridge will further supress you because you are already out of a very supressive cycle, and without proper PCT you can harm yourself and be supressed for good.
It seems we are not coming to an agreement, so it's up to you to determine which works for you best.
IronmanLV
New member
I don't know why you guys are making this personal, because you're both right on certain points. TA you are correct, there is no such thing as "cruising" or "bridging". You are either on or off like a light switch. Ross, there is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant either and that's what you are implying by saying either of those two words. It all boils down to your goals.
Ross is right in the fact that once your gains have exceeded what your body can achieve naturally, I don't give a rat's ass about PCT, training and diet, you can NOT maintain that level naturally, you need to stay on to maintain what you have or to continue to grow period.
That level of muscularity is different for all of us and for you guys to bag on each other's accomplishments is wrong. You both look good. TA, if you can go off and maintain that's great keep up the good work, but don't put Ross down if he needs to stay on to maintain his level. It's all about individual differences.
Yes, if you stay on for too long then you risk being shut down permanently. If you are willing to accept that consequence again, that is a personal decision that only you can determine, then you will be on HRT/TRT the rest of your life. That's a big decision and not one to be taken lightly.
I'm a lifer. I am 51 y/o and have been using since the early 1980's. I am an IFBB pro and have had my pro card for nearly 20 yrs. I occasionally compete in shows so to maintain my level (5' 9", 240-275 lbs and between 6-10% B/F) I stay on yr round. Fortunately I have had no negative sides and I am under a Dr's care to stay healthy. It can be done you just have to be responsible and being blessed with good genes doesn't hurt either.
Peace!
Ross is right in the fact that once your gains have exceeded what your body can achieve naturally, I don't give a rat's ass about PCT, training and diet, you can NOT maintain that level naturally, you need to stay on to maintain what you have or to continue to grow period.
That level of muscularity is different for all of us and for you guys to bag on each other's accomplishments is wrong. You both look good. TA, if you can go off and maintain that's great keep up the good work, but don't put Ross down if he needs to stay on to maintain his level. It's all about individual differences.
Yes, if you stay on for too long then you risk being shut down permanently. If you are willing to accept that consequence again, that is a personal decision that only you can determine, then you will be on HRT/TRT the rest of your life. That's a big decision and not one to be taken lightly.
I'm a lifer. I am 51 y/o and have been using since the early 1980's. I am an IFBB pro and have had my pro card for nearly 20 yrs. I occasionally compete in shows so to maintain my level (5' 9", 240-275 lbs and between 6-10% B/F) I stay on yr round. Fortunately I have had no negative sides and I am under a Dr's care to stay healthy. It can be done you just have to be responsible and being blessed with good genes doesn't hurt either.
Peace!
That's actually a pretty good post bro...
And you are right, to each his own.
I just believe that unless you're an IFBB pro or competting / doing this for a living, then risking getting shutdown for life is not worth it IMO.
I'm still 24 years old and I have two jobs and I'm married...I cannot afford being shutdown, lol...
It's all good anyways...
As my above post established, there are two sides to a coin...Ross and I are on opposite sides...
Well by briding or cruising at lower doses your body will keep its added mass, thus your gains become more permanent in my opinion as your body will look to be in a state of homeostasis and the longer your at you higher body weight the more you body will want to stay there.
I love the idea of cruising/bridging if you main objective is to keep getting bigger.
Im a a big advocate of staying on for longer periods of time. I hate the yo yoing from just doing 3 months cycles and coming off just too lose.
Best cycles i have done have been 9 months plus with blasts of higher doses and then back down to cruise doses.
HCG and clomid at 2 week intervals every couple months is a neccesity tho for recovery.
I love the idea of cruising/bridging if you main objective is to keep getting bigger.
Im a a big advocate of staying on for longer periods of time. I hate the yo yoing from just doing 3 months cycles and coming off just too lose.
Best cycles i have done have been 9 months plus with blasts of higher doses and then back down to cruise doses.
HCG and clomid at 2 week intervals every couple months is a neccesity tho for recovery.
Also with this method i find that when I do go back "On" I can get away with lower doses as my bulk dosages then from before. IE: I dont need 2g's anymore. I actually grow just as well on 500mgs to get back to where I was on 2000mgs. Why? Dont know. My only guess is that Ive tricked my body into being 250lbs all the time with my cruise doses. For example, what 2000mgs in the past took me too, I can now get too with 500mgs. If you follow what Im saying.
Again, not for everyone, but this is what works for me.
Definately always two sides to the coin.
Again, not for everyone, but this is what works for me.
Definately always two sides to the coin.
Galaxy, do you feel like you have gotten less supressed by doing this?
Have you managed to keep all your gains? and what's the longest you stay on?
Have you managed to keep all your gains? and what's the longest you stay on?
Well, Im on 150mgs enanthate right now from my primary care physician, so Id say Im pretty much on for life. But yes I keep gains well. Pretty much for that last year I have trained maybe 2 times a month and everyone of my friends wants to kill me for it, because I maintain so well. But in the past i did do mega cycles and stay on for long times. Now that Im on TRT dose I hold well and if I want to bulk up to being a freak again, I could, and I wouldnt have to take as much gear. A simple 500mgs enanthate and 400mgs deca with some dbol would make me freaky again. Or at least bigger than my friends who take more gear.
I had a nice powerlifting base too. And that goes along way.
I had a nice powerlifting base too. And that goes along way.
Just make sure you use injectable dbol in ur vein...hahahahahahahah
ryno9000
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Why not just bridge 20 weeks of tren with halo?
iceman7230
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Personnally I would keep running th tren for at least 20 more weeks uping the dose by 2.
Start right away on aboms 200mgs ed and 100mgs of dbol ed.
If you really want to spice and up and recover better also throw some halo in there at 40mgs ed.
Run all sustances for another 20 weeks then start cycle!
Start right away on aboms 200mgs ed and 100mgs of dbol ed.
If you really want to spice and up and recover better also throw some halo in there at 40mgs ed.
Run all sustances for another 20 weeks then start cycle!
