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Bravo to Israel for not giving in!!!

After talking to my dad, yes flame away, he told me a couple of things.

The Jews, after world war 2, began buying massive amounts of land in former palistine from the palistinines. the jews eventually amassed enough real estate to fight for succession of an Isreali state. The Jews, according to my father, engaged in some of the worst terrorism for years in Europe & the Middle East, bombing civilian locations to win global recognition of Isreali soverignity. Eventually the UN, and other developed nations conceded, recognizing the new State of Isreal. But the point is, the Jews used the same tactics on Europeans 35 years ago, they now use as cannon fodder to justify escalations against palistinine seperatists factions .

Religous motivations. We're dealing with two highly charged religous ideologies, both of which endorse the killing and revenge of persons who threaten their own people. The Jews, historically, have made it known, for every 1 Isreali killed, 3 palistinines will die. Look at the recent death toll ratios. Its about 3 palistinines dead for every 1 Isreali. Apparently, the Jews are notourously spitefull and cold, both in their political policy and their business dealings. My father noted the New York textile sweat shops, alot of which are owned by Jews - employing immgrant labor at 10 cents an hour. That kind of thing.

A couple people noted US jewish funding of Isreal has nothing to do with the conflict. Thats a load of shit. Historically, american foreign policy has been so blantendly supportive of Isreal, and has played such a biased role in the peace process, palistinine representatives havent been given an equal opportunity in which to conduct negoitiations. Ironically, Bin Laden noted the US unconditional support of Isreal, militarly, financially, and politically, as one of the key factors which prompted his attack on Sept 11th. Why is America so supportive of Isreal? Because the Jews have such massive political and financial power in America, they can partially influence American foreign policy formation. But the problem with this is, the Arabs, working under the auspices of the OPEC oil cartel, have the ability to milk the west through restricted petroleum production = increase oil prices, and the procedes, at least to some extent, are channelled to the palistinines in Isreal. Its unproven. But think about it. Thats exactly whats going on. The more America intervenes with its biased redrick, and the more sharon cracks down on the palistinines, the oil rich Arabs willl just turn off the taps when they get pissed, and let us fund Palinstinine seperatists in Isreal.

My personal feeling on the situation is this . Both sides do not want peace. Both sides, the Isrealis, and the Palistinines, are equally guilty of inciting further conflict and not offering concillations to the other party to achieve a peaceful resolution. Both sides, to some extent enjoy the war. Or they would have ended it by now. Its a fucking nightmare over there. Both sides could stop the violence if they really wanted the peace bad enough. But they have no love for each other. Funny, how both their religions encourage love for the hethons, yet niether wants to extend a peacefull hand in the spirit friendship.

ahh. fucking people.
 
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Zirakzigil said:


This is actually a good point. People in the US are such fucking hypocrites - you NEVER hear about cracking down on the IRA or anything like that, but they are the exact same thing as the Palestinians and Al Qaeda: a terrorist organization based upon a pure motive. You don't hear about the Tamil Tigers because people in the US don't give a shit about brown people in Sri Lanka killing eachother. I totally agree with your point, that linking the Palestinians to Al Qaeda is used for emotional reaction - however that doesn't change the fact that the link is valid. If I said "Bush is EVIL! He wants to drill in the ANWR!! EVIL EVIL EVIL", does that change the fact that he wants to drill in the ANWR? *chuckle* Logic, bro...


The thing we don't agree on is the motivation of Al Qaeda.

They are not, in general, racists.
They are fundamentalist Muslims.
They take a far harder line towards infidels than mainstream and normative Islam.
They believe that western-style capitalism has caused many of the problems that their countries face.
They believe that imperialism has caused many of the problems that their countries face.
They believe that the US, a nation of infidels, having a strong interest in, and even control over, Saudi Arabia is sacrilege.
They did not surface at 9/11: they've been active for around 9-12 years now.


This is refreshing. Keep it up man!!
 
thebabydoc said:
Where are you getting your facts, Radio Palestine? Name ONE legitimate source for your "facts." Yeah, the Israeli's waste water irrigating and farming the desert, that's why it's the only green piece of land for 2000 miles. You'd love nothing better than for your third-world bretheren to turn it back into a back-ass dirt farm like the rest of the Middle East. BTW, 100% of that water is created by the Israelis in desalinization plants and recovery efforts. Or perhaps maybe you think that 1% of the population (the palestinians) deserve more than 1% of the water? You uneducated fuck. Why don't you crawl back into your hole and shut the fuck up because no one here cares what you think you ignorant camel jockey.

I cant believe how foolish and brainwashed you are. The facts that I have just told you are nothing unusual and if you had an ounce of intelligence you would not have so blindly replied with such bullshit.

Ill give you some basic facts:

Israeli law permits that every Palestinian must have a certain colour number plate to distinguish between a Palestinian and an Israeli. The same way the Germans did with the Jews during the holocaust.

Until 1988, Jews were allowed to advertise vacancies for Jews only.

And the Jewish army are ordered to open fire on innocent Palestinians many Jewish newspapers and high ranked officers criticised its government for doing this.

If you need me to direct links to prove my point then you are just plain stupid, ignorant or both.

I have been to this region many times, so I know what im talking about. Also have friends that have told me about the torture they had to endure from Israelis.

But here are some links concerning the water shortage for the Palestinians

http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~sdconinc/waternet/shortage/shortageIPCRI1.htm

http://hanthala.virtualave.net/watintro.html

You may also find this site intresting also
www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org

btw if you want to discuss with me, then learn some fucking respect. If we were talking face to face, you would be using a much different tone, because I would stick my foot up your ass so hard you would not be able to walk properly again.
 
RyanH said:
The only way to end the terrorism to is to give the Palestinians the lands taken in the 1967 war.
I remember being in church as a kid when it was announced that Syria, Jordan, and Egypt were starting an unprovoked invasion of Israel.
It was nothing short of a miracle that the tiny state of Israel was able to fight back and gain land. Notice the current borders are the same as what God promised Moses when Israel was first established 5000 years ago. There's no way Israel will give up the "occupied territories" which they see as part of their original Promised Land.

Frankly, I hope these guys are fighting for a very long time, cause the Bible describes what happens when they finally make peace. The AntiChrist is instrumental in arranging a peace agreement which marks the begining of the "Tribulation" during which AntiChrist reigns in world tyranny.

Prediction: The arab mosque "Dome of the Rock" standing on Jerusalem Temple Mount will be destroyed and the Jews will rebuild their temple there. The Jews have already collected the funds needed for construction. It's paid for.
 
I have to ask this:

Agreed Sharon is hawkish, yet he was elected as leader. Seems like the people of Israel wanted him over Baruk. What does that tell you about the attitude of the population?
 
cm3504jm said:
I have to ask this:

Agreed Sharon is hawkish, yet he was elected as leader. Seems like the people of Israel wanted him over Baruk. What does that tell you about the attitude of the population?

they wanted security, did they get it? I think not. Things are worse now.

Most political analysts are saying that Sharons time is almost up.
 
It doesn't necessarily mean that the people of Israel are pushing for war, but rather, i think it shows that they are scared. It is more a defensive play to elect Sharon because i think you will find that the people of Israel feel that their only form of defence or security is to go on the attack and always be on the front foot with Palestine.

When you feel your very existence is under threat, you are more inclined to want to fight rather than approach the peace table.

The problem, is that their perceived threat, the Palestinian people also happen to be imprisoned and the jail warden is Israel.
 
john937 said:
Frankly, I hope these guys are fighting for a very long time, cause the Bible describes what happens when they finally make peace. The AntiChrist is instrumental in arranging a peace agreement which marks the begining of the "Tribulation" during which AntiChrist reigns in world tyranny.

hmmm, I wonder if dubya is brokering any peace deals? j/k
 
Actually, there's a lot of "prophecy pundits" that are betting the current Pope will die soon,
and the AntiChrist will be elected the next Pope.
 
RyanH said:
The Taliban are winning and they now have the upper-hand, thanks to-----George Bush. More violence will continue so long as Bush continues his assault and aggession toward the oppressed, towel-headed people.

Ryan.



We should just off them all
 
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