Bravo to Israel for not giving in!!!

[RyanH]

Bravo to Israel for sticking to their guns and not giving in to trading real tangible things to (untrustworthy)Arabs for intangible "peace"

they are going to need all the guns they can get because Sharon has only intensified Palestianian hatred, thus intensifying more and more terrorist attacks.

the Israelis will eventually get rid of Sharon, they have to realize that he is an impediment to peace.

 

[Zirakzigil]

so is killing thousands of Palestinian people.

First, the Palestinians being killed are mostly those fighting back. I don't care if you're only throwing stones, you do so in a fucking war zone, you can expect to get shot. Your Solution: don't fucking throw stones.

I don't deny that the Israelis have killed innocent Palestinians, same as the USA has killed innocent Serbs and Afghanis, and in WWII we killed innocent Japanese and Germans. It's always wrong. However, you can't always help it, that is, allowing terrorism to continue is an even worse wrong.

Second, Israel is a democracy, and the Israeli people do not want war (just look at their willingness to deal - seriously, go read up on Israeli history). The killing of Palestinians is always in retaliation for suicide bombings. The Israelis are therefore less culpable.

As I see it, the creation of the state of Israel is on the same moral ground as the creation of the USA - i.e. it was created by the criminal act of stealing lands from natives. However, it's DONE. You can't kick 5 million Jews out of Israel any more than you can kick 280 million non-Native-Americans out of the USA. Both sides need to learn to work together. That starts with stopping the fucking terrorism. News flash, RyanH, Palestinians don't get killed when there's not an intifada, i.e. they don't get killed when they don't DO anything.

Feel free to pick apart specific points without considering the totality of my post. I know it's what you'll do anyway.

 

[RyanH]

Where are you getting your facts, Radio Palestine? Name ONE legitimate source for your "facts." Yeah, the Israeli's waste water irrigating and farming the desert, that's why it's the only green piece of land for 2000 miles. You'd love nothing better than for your third-world bretheren to turn it back into a back-ass dirt farm like the rest of the Middle East. BTW, 100% of that water is created by the Israelis in desalinization plants and recovery efforts. Or perhaps maybe you think that 1% of the population (the palestinians) deserve more than 1% of the water? You uneducated fuck. Why don't you crawl back into your hole and shut the fuck up because no one here cares what you think you ignorant camel jockey.

And where are you getting your facts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson or Rush Limbaugh or did you attend Falwell U.?

The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians are consistently denied decent heathcare, housing, or water because of Israeli aggression, and now under Sharon it has only grown far worse. You "babydoc" are outside the mainstream on this issue, while Americans appear to support Israeli most, the rest of the world sympathizes with the oppression of the Palestinian people....

Still haven't taken that anger management class, eh?

 

[Zirakzigil]

BTW, RyanH: if you want to see the moral difference between the Israeli public and the Palestinian public, compare the Palestinian suicide bombers to Baruch Goldstein. There was widespread outrage over Goldstein's attack in Israel, though he has now been made a martyr by extremist Jewish elements. When there's a Palestinian suicide bombing, there's fucking celebrations in the street.

If you don't know who Baruch Goldstein was I can give you some links.

 

[RyanH]

Second, Israel is a democracy, and the Israeli people do not want war (just look at their willingness to deal - seriously, go read up on Israeli history). The killing of Palestinians is always in retaliation for suicide bombings. The Israelis are therefore less culpable.

As I see it, the creation of the state of Israel is on the same moral ground as the creation of the USA - i.e. it was created by the criminal act of stealing lands from natives. However, it's DONE. You can't kick 5 million Jews out of Israel any more than you can kick 280 million non-Native-Americans out of the USA. Both sides need to learn to work together. That starts with stopping the fucking terrorism. News flash, RyanH, Palestinians don't get killed when there's not an intifada, i.e. they don't get killed when they don't DO anything.

Since Sharon took office, Israeli aggression has increasingly grown worse. The reason for the recent string of terrorist attacks can all be attributed to Sharon's aggression. While terrorism should always be condemned, it is the only solution to a large group of people who have no hope, no land, and live as second inviduals all underneath the nose of those who took away their land.

the only way to end the terrorism to is to give the Palestinians the lands taken in the 1967 war.

 

[JohnyJuice]

The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians are consistently denied decent heathcare, housing, or water because of Israeli aggression,

They arent denied healthcare, housing, etc. They are to ass backwards to develop it on their own. Just look at every arab culture in the middle east, they all are living in the stone age. Except for the wealthy oil controllers and dictators. These individuals are fucking their own "muslim brothers" every day, yet it is all our fault. Typical you liberal commie scum bag.
"they are denied..." I cant get over the idiocy this statement shows. I dont remember Palestinians developing water purification plants or hospitals and the israelies blowing them up. From you little "they are denied" rhetoric, you seem to feel that they should recieve a hand out, and not work to develop their piss poor culture. Hand outs seem to be a recurring theme with you.

 

[JohnyJuice]

While terrorism should always be condemned, it is the only solution to a large group of people who have no hope, no land, and live as second inviduals all underneath the nose of those who took away their land.

Then what is the reason for the AL queda terrorists in Ashcanistan? They had hope, cause they ruled the country, they had land, cause they ruled the country, and the were the top of the food chain in that shit hole. Those who didnt agree with them dissapeared.
Once again, your argument is that of a convoluted mongoloid.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Since Sharon took office, Israeli aggression has increasingly grown worse. The reason for the recent string of terrorist attacks can all be attributed to Sharon's aggression. While terrorism should always be condemned, it is the only solution to a large group of people who have no hope, no land, and live as second inviduals all underneath the nose of those who took away their land.

the only way to end the terrorism to is to give the Palestinians the lands taken in the 1967 war.

If you recall, Israeli agression after Sharon took office started because of a suicide bombing. Previously, the IDF had made no military overtures.

But anyway, I agree, the Palestinians live like rabble - but the irony is, they depend for what little they have, on jobs they do for the Israelis. Furthermore, they are being used as a pawn by the other Muslim nations - why do you think Jordan and Saudi Arabia won't let them immigrate?

 

[RyanH]

They arent denied healthcare, housing, etc. They are to ass backwards to develop it on their own. Just look at every arab culture in the middle east, they all are living in the stone age. Except for the wealthy oil controllers and dictators. These individuals are fucking their own "muslim brothers" every day, yet it is all our fault. Typical you liberal commie scum bag.
"they are denied..." I cant get over the idiocy this statement shows. I dont remember Palestinians developing water purification plants or hospitals and the israelies blowing them up. From you little "they are denied" rhetoric, you seem to feel that they should recieve a hand out, and not work to develop their piss poor culture. Hand outs seem to be a recurring theme with you.

maybe if the Palestinians received the billions in aid that the Israelis receive from the United States and Israel stopped taking away their recources, they would have those things which they presently lack.

 

[JohnyJuice]

But anyway, I agree, the Palestinians live like rabble - but the irony is, they depend for what little they have, on jobs they do for the Israelis. Furthermore, they are being used as a pawn by the other Muslim nations - why do you think Jordan and Saudi Arabia won't let them immigrate?

No, No, No, dummie. Stop using your head and thinking logically. It is the Israelies fault!!! It is the West's Fault!! These arab nations cant be to blame, they are the epitomy of cultural progress and socio-evolution!!