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This is kind of a off the wall question but an incident tonight made me think of it.. In short, I saw a huge fight between a bunch of African American(being politically correct) guys.. I'm not gay, but everyone was freakin jacked.. How is it they're naturally bigger and almost always cut up? I've heard about slow twitch and fast twitch muscle fibers but is that true? Do they take gear, have more natural test, or does nobody else notice but me? Maybe it was a football team or something but there isn't one around where I was.. It was a great fight though, wish you guys could've been there to see it..
 
i've wondered about that myself. good question. what was the fight about, and who won? i wanna hear some stories.
 
they are a diffrent race of humans. there are asains, africans, cacasian, and also austrailen natives. thats what the scientists say. each has its strength and each has its weakness. we gota stop looking at humans as "all being the same" i totally aggree with TREATING every human equal but we are NOT all the same. african decendents are more superiour in phyiscal activities, that require agility, speed, etc. cacasians are superior in strength i know ill get alot of people disagreeing, but go watch power lifters or worlds strongest men and majority of the competitors are white, an acception of a few black and even less asain. and asains have more co-ordinence (control over body). like just look how all three fight, how they run, all u need to do is look at the olyimpics and sports to find that out.the austrailan natives i havnt hurd much about them. so for ur answer most black people are more ripped and have a more cut and "huge" looking apperience due to genetics. btw this replay isnt to dicriminate just stating facts, and yes there are acceptions to every race, u will find a black power house, and a white tiwig, u will find a ripped fast white spirinter. and a fat slow black guy. its in ur genetics, but it varied on society and nurture too.
 
blacks always get cut faster. it has to do with the dark skin, that is why every pro is tan as fuck. think about it the darker your skin is the more light is takes in and the more cuts you will see. not to piss any body off but i think some of it has to do with slave times, i have heard that slave masters used to have the best male and female have kids so they would have the best slaves to work. it kind of makes sense when you think about it, because they would want the best slaves.
 
inston said:
blacks always get cut faster. it has to do with the dark skin, that is why every pro is tan as fuck. think about it the darker your skin is the more light is takes in and the more cuts you will see. not to piss any body off but i think some of it has to do with slave times, i have heard that slave masters used to have the best male and female have kids so they would have the best slaves to work. it kind of makes sense when you think about it, because they would want the best slaves.
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Thats true. What the slave masters did is basically create a super race. Kept all the genetically strong, killed the weak ones. You would have to be pretty strong to go through the treatment the slaves went through anyway.

The country where I live is said to have had first pick of all the slaves travelling across the Atlantic.

I live in a country that is 95% black. I see it everyday. Guys that dont workout, look ripped and buff as hell. Even crackheads on the street with no shirt on, perfect physiques. Take anyone of them, couple weeks of AAS and they could compete.
 
I have always noticed that myself,if you drive downtown in alot of cities you will notice alot of crackheads walking around.The black ones are walking around drinking a 40 ounce looking buff as hell with a six pack stomach,then you look at the white guys standing around drinking beer that look like a fat bag of shit.I would kill to have genetics like some of those black guys.
 
If you saw a brother working out in your gym who was pretty jacked, you probably woundn't think "AAS" immediatly..

But if he was white with that same exact physique, everyone would scream "juicer!"

Andy
 
Andy13 said:
If you saw a brother working out in your gym who was pretty jacked, you probably woundn't think "AAS" immediatly..

But if he was white with that same exact physique, everyone would scream "juicer!"

Andy
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hahahahahhahhahaha....thats so true, i never thought of it like that.
 
alright fellas! let's cut the shit! we are all DIFFERENT--true-indeed. omega44 hit it on the head. it does not necessarily mean better. i've seen some german cats out there that i go "what the f*ck!" when i look at them. it's a matter of how you nurture the genes you have. one thing is a constant with all of our races: once you get married, it's that damn woman who f*cks up your physique. "Mow he lawn!; Take out the trash!; Who's at the gym that you have to be there all the time?" I'm sure we all can relate to that crap.:argue:

good topic though. don't get it twisted, i wasn't offended at all. you all are pretty good for the most part.
 
I just think the colored people work harder...Why do all the white guys win a lot of contests..Dorian, Arnold etc.. They all got access to the same gear? I think the average colored guy probably is hungrier
 
Most black guys have superior genetics for muscle building and sports in general. Best boxers = black, best sprinters = black, best bball players = black.

I used to live in a Borough of London that is dominated by blacks. At the gym there are some huge, ripped guys that don't lift anywhere near as much weight as me, but look way better.

Just look at Flex, Dexter, Dillet etc. These guys are total genetic freaks and Flex and Dillet hardly even workout with any intensity at all.
 
I do know that it's a FACT that black kids, on average, go through puberty before any other race. (I've seen numerous studies on it.) And puberty has everything to do with hormone levels, i.e, testosterone, etc. So it makes sense that blacks have higher test levels than other races.
 
Steroidboy

what is a colored guy ? i've heard that term many years ago, but can't recall what exactly it means.

have you been colored and if so by whom and what color ?
 
Speaking in general,
Blacks have higher testosterone levels. Even the females.

I thought the comment Andy13 made is so true. When I
see a Black with muscles I don't immediately think
steroids, instead I think superior musculature because of
selective breeding in the past or survival mechanism for
the inner cities. Forgive me!
 
My Experience

Okay...I really hope this doesn't get misinterpreted and taken offensively by anyone....this is an interesting thread....It is very obvious to me that the majority of guys/gals of African desent definitely have some great genetic predisposition for increased muscle mass and I believe even agility and speed....Even if one did not want to research and examine all the biological and physiological support for this notion (and there is plenty of it) it should be obvious to anyone who looks at a few things....Professional sport as a whole is for the most part dominated by African Americans (except hockey)....look at Boxing...Basketball....Football...Sprinters....the top 10 Olympia contenders....VAST majority are of African desent..I find it interesting that I observe this personally in my own life....I work with many athletic teams as an Athletic Trainer and Strength and Conditioning Specialist and I have seen many many athletes...from the high school level up to semi-pro...I can tell you that BY FAR I have seen more genetically gifted African athletes (both aesthetically and functional speed/agility) than caucasian...I have seen many many black athletes that are no more than 15 or so who havn't even fully matured yet....who have more of a solid ripped base of muscle than most others do at 20 years...and many of these kids dont even train!! I have african american friends that don't touch weights and live a very very poor college induced party lifestyle (eat terrible, drink, recreational drug use etc.) yet these guys look better than many caucasion guys who have been training for 5 years...eat right..dont drink..etc...This has always blown me away simply because it isn't like these are just a few isolated examples....The statistics are quite significant...I have seen this repeatedly for many years.....I believe that the human race should undoubtedly be treated unbiasedly and without discrimination...but are all men created equal physically????? I think not....Now remember..as stated by someone above...there is always going to be exceptions...I've seen African Americans with terrible genetics....and I've seen jacked ripped Asian guys....but when viewed as a whole...this is a rarity...How many African American NPC Pros have there been over the past 10 years....Now how many Asian NPC Pros have there been.....exactly....Anyway...my hats off to all those lucky bros born lean and mean....wish I was....PEACE
 
I remember Jimmy the Greek ruining his career for saying this exact same thing. Except that he said that blacks were bred for bigger muscles as slaves. Now that was pretty stupid.
 
Adaptek said:


Thats true. What the slave masters did is basically create a super race. Kept all the genetically strong, killed the weak ones. You would have to be pretty strong to go through the treatment the slaves went through anyway.

The country where I live is said to have had first pick of all the slaves travelling across the Atlantic.

I live in a country that is 95% black. I see it everyday. Guys that dont workout, look ripped and buff as hell. Even crackheads on the street with no shirt on, perfect physiques. Take anyone of them, couple weeks of AAS and they could compete.
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Exactly, all i ever wanted back in the day was to be ripped like a black dude....that basketball player look. Hey they got a gift, they don't have to bust their ass to get ripped. I'll tell you the exact physic ive always wanted and still want to have......STICKY FINGAZ from onyx....that nigga'z ripped
 
I've read that blacks have higher test levels. Environment could play a factor as blacks seem to be more interested in athletics and therefore more likely to train with weights. Of course there are exceptions. In powerlifting there are a lot of white Europeans that are strong as hell. In countries like Kenya there are a lot of skinny blacks that can run like hell.
 
I work out at a gym that is mostly black.....I would say 90% and I have made some terrific friends that have helped me achieve goals that I could have not done by myself......Most black guys are more muscular than us white dudes.......I watch my diet eat lots of protien get my rest and cycle. My black bro's eat hershey bars and drink welches grape and will gain more than me or most white guys......

It is a running joke at the gym.....and it is all in fun, but it is true!
 
Thanks Guys!!! You make me feel like a King!! No for real though. I'm a black male I'm 22 years old. I also agree with the fact on selective breeding. I' believe it's true I'm 5'9 230 lbs I've been fast as hell all my life. Ran track in high school and ran the 40 in 4.38 I was 190 lbs then and Now I run it in 4.5. I can not work out for months and still maintain a respectable physic. When I do work out it only takes me 4-5 weeks to get in shape. When I'm down to 215 I can dunk. I don't know how I get like this It's just always been this way. I have juiced on using 400mg of deca 500 mg of test and 30 mg of d-bol and made incredibl gains I'm postive it has something to do with race cause I have other friend thatare smaller but more ripped than me they workout maybe 5 -10 times a month and look like miniture Flex Wheelers. BUT I wish I had White guys calves I don't have super high Shawn Ray calves more like a Dexter Jackson Calves as far a work ethic that's not a racial thing that varies person to person. Paradise garage I hope you are a female spitting stuff like that.
 
i didn't read through the whole thread... but i have one word..

EVOLUTION...

humans are constantly adapting to their surroundings and to the chores at hand... so that they can do them better, with less effort etc..... so look at the backgrounds of each specific race/culture, look at their diets, their activity, their agriculture, their games they played for fun, and you will see exactly how they evolved to handle the tasks at hand.. bigger stronger legs for climbing more hills.. bigger upper body for doing more barn work... skinnier/faster running for handling long distance treks between desert villas... etc etc



btw.. noone mentioned samoans.. those are some big bastards.. not really all that strong.. but big nonetheless.. oh yeah... they did a study in hawaii on the samoans... the fat ones.. which is close to the whole population.. anyway, they put them back on a diet of fish, poi, fruits.. and they just shredded the fat off.. americans/japanese made them fat.. when we settled on their land and brought our flour, hamburgers, and steak, etc etc.. we made them fat cause their bodies were not accustomed to the food..
 
the_paradise_garage said:
all i know is african american guys are damn hot
i iwsh i was one of those sexy bald buff african guys with a big cccccccock so i could hook up lots
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get a life :confused:
 
I think they are superior physically when younger. After aging they loose alot of it, atleast where i live. More african american women are extrmely overiweght opposed to whites.
 
i heard that ppl from iran and afghanistan or whatever it is r so fucking strong physically (due to the environment they live in)..
 
It is not all genetics...because of economic disparities and a messed up education system, athletics is one of the few ways many Black guys have at rising in social-economic bracket. I have been friends with alot of black athletes (actually roomates with two of them), and they all took sports very seriously and trained VERY hard.

This reminds me of something that happened last month: a whole bunch of white college frat boys who train only chest and biceps were watching some black guys play ball. These guys were jumping pretty high, and I overheard some of the "superior genetics" comments. What they did not take into account is that those guys playing ball spend about 75% of their time lifting doing powercleans, deadlifts and heavy full squats. That is why those particular guys had such good ups.
 
I remember reading a study on this same issue a few years back. The Author was saying how blacks have had to run a lot for thousands of years, just beacuase were they lived (Africa) so therefor they had developed superior endurance and basicly legs speed.Whites are superior in brut strenth and upperbody development basicaly from the jobs we have performed. I think this is true i have seen blacks that are really fast and white guys seem to be a little stonger in the upperbody naturaly. Most of the really good wrestlers are white. And blacks are great at sports involving running and endurance.
 
you all are referring to big musclar africans / african americans. what about the many ectomorphs that you see in the marathons ?

Evolution involves environmental changes (nature). what africans had to endure once here from africa was influence by man and not nature. so darwin's theory of evolution / adaptation does not apply here.

you all are referring to atheletics and sports, but do you all know that some of the best classical singers are also of african decent due to their large chest cavities. however, they are underrepresented there as well.

there is a difference between: people of african decent, Asians, Indians and europeans. for example, buying clothes. why do you think your FUBU, Sean John and other clothes designers are so popular in the black community. it's because Eddie Bauer, does not cut his pants to fit an African american physique. the whole trend of wearing baggy clothes was due to not finding pants / shirts that would fit. the waist would fit, but things would be a little tight in the hip or thigh area.

to all those of european decent, that have african americans as friends. be extremely careful if you ever discuss this issue with your african american friends. things that are stated above are extemely offensive and niaeve....my 2cc's

so if slavery caused african americans to be superior with respect to muscular growth, what has the holocaust done for the Jews ? What has the overture of America, by the europeans on the Americans Indian, done for the indians ? what about the Aboriginines ?
 
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I agree most black guys have good physiques and there are exceptions for everyone. I use it as motivation. I am one of those white guys who have the body of a black guy, except my dick is only 6.75in. But I have to bust my ass in the gym to look the way I do. To all you guys with bad ass bodies and don't do shit, you are lucky bastards. this has been an interesting topic and I'm glad no dumb fuck racist white boy posted any stupid shit.
 
you guys are all talking out of your asses. first off, evolution takes millions of years. and the main reason that blacks can run faster and jump higher is not because of there physiques, because if that were the case, there would be some white guys (white guys can have excellent physiques, not as commonly, but they can...ie me) in the 100 m dash in the olympics, but there never is. if you've ever actually read about studies on african physiology, it has shown that blacks have, on average, more collagen in there tendons. therefore, whenever they run, jump etc, more energy is conserved in elasticity, and can be put back into the next jump, or step. why do blacks excell in long distance (kenyans etc): same reason, but there is also another advantage of the african physique, they are thinner. due to millions of years in subsaharan africa, blacks have developed superior heat regulatory systems. firstly, they have longer appendages (look at most black guys, they are taller, have smaller wastes, thinner longer fingers, longer feet, and toes, thinner ankles, etc.), this enables them to radiate heat faster (surface area/volume ratio is much higher). and heat loss is the primary concern of any long distance athlete. (studies have shown that when equivalent masses of rats and humans are compared, the rats can produce 9 times the power of the human-this is due to heat loss, their surface area of all the rats combined is much much higher than that of the human with the equivalent mass to all the rats). also the black skin helps, black is the most emissive color when it comes to radiation, yet another reason why they can keep cooler. also, studies have shown in biopsies of blacks that they have more blood perfusion per muscle fiber (more capillaries/muscle fiber), which enables them to transport more oxygen to the muscle under aerobic conditions, effectively allowing them to produce more energy with out lactic acid breakdown. as far as being bigger, that is a fallacy. they have lower body fats so that there is less insulation = more heat loss). as you can see, almost all of the traits that blacks have the make them superior in most sports are derived from heat regulatory systems. i could write more, but the gym is calling me. later

-beefy
 
What a load of *&#@!%!!!!!

Wow, I haven't seen a thread this full of old wive's tales and misinformation in a while!

The "selective breeding" theory may have some truth in it, but notice at the Olympics African athletes (not just African Americans) excel in a wide variety of sports. There are, generally speaking, racial differences in muscle fiber make-up which account for the dominance of certain races in certain sports. East Africans, for example, with their high waists, long legs, and plentiful slow-twitch fibers dominate long distance running.

The descendants of most black Americans, however, came from West Africa, where different body types predominate -- this is why the USA doesn't kick ass in long distance running.

The biggest noticeable difference between blacks and whites is the absence in blacks of the subcutaneous fat layer that evolution provided whites (and Asians) to keep them warm in those long northern winters. This accounts for the "six pack" abs you see on black guys who don't even work out. Almost every white boy grows up in the U.S. amazed by the lean muscularity of his black schoolmates, and wondering what to do to look like that. But it isn't that they're more muscular, really. They're just naturally leaner.

That fat layer is especially persistant in Asians -- which is why so few Asians succeed in bodybuilding contests. Whites, having the fat layer as well, have a harder time cutting up than blacks.

Just so you non-black guys won't feel TOO bad, it's worth adding that even black athletes have genetic disadvantages in certain sports, which is easily seen by noticing sports that are NOT dominated by blacks, powerlifting for example.

But ever since the bodybuilding world decided that RIPPED TO THE BONE was the look to strive for, blacks have had a major advantage in contests.

I've heard the major magazine publishers have actually had meetings to figure out how to avoid bodybuilding becoming a sport that looks like it's for BLACKS ONLY. The mags keep an eye out for the next "great white hope" because they don't want white kids to get discouraged looking through the mags and seeing only black guys.
 
More consolation for white folks

I thought of another sport where whites have a bodytype advantage -- swimming. In the water that pesky little fat layer helps white swimmers float a little higher in the water, so they can go faster.

Some studies indicate that whites tend to build UPPER body strength more easily than blacks, and of course swimming is all about the upper body.

So blacks may have tons of athletic advantages, but not all of them. In the Olympics, you'll notice black swimming champions are about as common as white basketball stars.

It's nice that God didn't give ALL ther advantages to one group alone. :D
 
Correction

I keep posting since this topic is especially interesting to me.

I was wrong about Africans tending to have more slow-twitch muscle fibers -- they have more fast-twitch ones.

Anyone looking for an extensive treatment of this interesting, but politically dangerous, subject, will find it in this well--received book which you can find at Amazon or anywhere:

TABOO: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It
by Jon Entine, Earl Smith


:fro:
 
Well this topic is certainly interesting. I am European but live in the US. And one thing i usually find interesting that when traveling back home is difference i see between the average Caucisian person there and here. Simply put, there is a lot more white guys there with excellent genetics. Don't ask me why. Some of the gyms i have visited in Poland yielded some freaks, just about all the guys there could bench 300-400lbs. With one 20 year old kid standing 6'5 benching 540lbs. after only light test cycles. Same with my family, most men are naturally pretty muscular and find it pretty easy to build 20 inch arms with light low doses of juice. i posted before that i easily reached 280 with just 500mg of sust per week. Same goes for my Russian training partner, he looked so big after working out for 2 years EVERYONE accused him of juicing. He was ripped but never as shredded as most brothers, and frankly neither am i. But we all respect one another, the brothers in my gym say i am not white but Polish. Pretty funny really, they admire me for my 405 deadlift for 20 reps and admire them for their full muscle bellies and all is great. They truly are the coolest training partners. Also you will notice that the great majority of white bodybuilders are from Europe or countries other than the US. Especially the freaks. The reason? Well different regions of the planet spawned different adaptations in humans. These adaptations today, when applied to certain sports will make some excel and others fail.
 
Yeah, some Russian guys are monsters. I started lifting in the JCC, and they gave all the Russian's who had just moved to the US free membership. One interesting thing I learned was that in the Russian military they had simular pull-up requirments as the US military, but they had to be done with a overhand (not chin grip) with no body-swing at all. This one guy I trained with said in his unit the requirment was 20 strict full ROM pullups. Everyday, regardless of what I was working, this guy would make me do pullups, and only count the ones with no swing from a dead hang. This really sucked, but my back got wide fast.


also I think male members of any minority group tend find a sense of security in improving their bodies. The book "Muscletown USA" by John D. Fair talks about this alot (mainly in the context of York Barbell). I am Filipino and find it funny that a very disproportunate number of Filipino guys I know in the US are either into lifting weights, boxing/martial arts, or owning lots of handguns. It's almost as if there is a universal fear of being powerless or something.
 
A lot of interesting stuff in here. I wonder though, if selective breeding has nothing to do with it, then why do American blacks kick so much ass in sprinting events and not Kenyans?
 
Re: What a load of *&#@!%!!!!!

Ercole said:
Wow, I haven't seen a thread this full of old wive's tales and misinformation in a while!

The "selective breeding" theory may have some truth in it, but notice at the Olympics African athletes (not just African Americans) excel in a wide variety of sports. There are, generally speaking, racial differences in muscle fiber make-up which account for the dominance of certain races in certain sports. East Africans, for example, with their high waists, long legs, and plentiful slow-twitch fibers dominate long distance running.

The descendants of most black Americans, however, came from West Africa, where different body types predominate -- this is why the USA doesn't kick ass in long distance running.

The biggest noticeable difference between blacks and whites is the absence in blacks of the subcutaneous fat layer that evolution provided whites (and Asians) to keep them warm in those long northern winters. This accounts for the "six pack" abs you see on black guys who don't even work out. Almost every white boy grows up in the U.S. amazed by the lean muscularity of his black schoolmates, and wondering what to do to look like that. But it isn't that they're more muscular, really. They're just naturally leaner.

That fat layer is especially persistant in Asians -- which is why so few Asians succeed in bodybuilding contests. Whites, having the fat layer as well, have a harder time cutting up than blacks.

Just so you non-black guys won't feel TOO bad, it's worth adding that even black athletes have genetic disadvantages in certain sports, which is easily seen by noticing sports that are NOT dominated by blacks, powerlifting for example.

But ever since the bodybuilding world decided that RIPPED TO THE BONE was the look to strive for, blacks have had a major advantage in contests.

I've heard the major magazine publishers have actually had meetings to figure out how to avoid bodybuilding becoming a sport that looks like it's for BLACKS ONLY. The mags keep an eye out for the next "great white hope" because they don't want white kids to get discouraged looking through the mags and seeing only black guys.
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What about the good ole hispanic race..i noticed that you didnt mention them. How do they stand on the subcuntaneous layer of fat theory. Do they have as much as Whites oor Asians or more or less. Just curious
 
hmmmmmmm......very interesting....

Most of what I have read has been that those of African descent have better genetics than those that are fairer skinned.....

A little anecdotal information....when i was in jr high and was playing football...i noticed i was the biggest guy on the team ...when i went to high school again i was the biggest guy on the team.....i'm 6'2 296.

I dont think that you can simply make a blanket statement about the genetics of any race....and scientifically say that this is the way it is....

Kids are bigger now......all kids....milk does a body good....we know more about nutrition and exercise than ever before.....I think its up to the individual to make the most out of what's been given him.

I think these opinions about superior genetics are generated by some skinny white kid that does not have the heart to work with what he has and maximize his physique....

I think these opinions are generated by fat white guys sitting on a couch drinking a bud on sunday....they look for an excuse as to why they are watching instead of playing....

I think that these opinions are generated by individuals who should be giving credit to an athlete for his work ethic and the sweat and tears that were expended getting into the professional ranks.....not simply saying "it was his genetics"

It's a lousy explanation to say that its genetics.....I think it is just hard work.....
 
Samoan strength

On a related note, I worked out in Hawaii once with a guy of Samoan background. He looked flabby and out-of-shape but when he started loading plates on the bench press, I couldn't believe it. Strongest mofo I'd ever seen.

I've read that Polynesians, Samoans, etc. are genetically the strongest race on earth, but since they carry that stubborn fat layer, they don't usually get far in bodybuilding.

One theory for the superior strength of Polynesians is that thousands of years of paddling boats from island to island favored the development of extreme upper body strength. Maybe it's true!:fro:
 
as far as being cut.....

correct me if im wrong ....if you have a good tan your muscles are more apparent....as opposed to being lily white.....
 
Flexmanning, the answer to your sensible question about why Kenyans don't kick ass in sprints, is that they're East Africans, whereas nearly all U.S. blacks are descended from West Africans, whose genetics favor sprinting rather than long distance.

Africa's a very big continent; body and racial types there vary as much as they do from northern to southern Europe.

All this discussion, of course, is generalizing about tendencies in various groups. Obviously there are many individuals whose body types are totally different from "the general rule" for their race or background.

And to point out that a bodybuilder is blessed with good genetics doesn't in any way discount the importance of training, diet, rest, etc. The best genetics in the world won't get you anywhere without discipline, intelligence, and hard work.:fro:
 
Hispanic race

Sonny Black, I haven't seen studies comparing Hispanics in this regard. It's probably because Hispanic can mean practically any racial type, if you speak Spanish. Latin Americans come in all sizes and colors, with genetic roots in Africa, Europe, and the New World (American Indian).

So I think it would be prety hard to generalize about Hispanics, since they are not really a race, but a mixture of races united by a common language and/or culture.

"Hispanic", like "American" can mean anything, racially speaking.
 
Arnold & Franco Columbo still the best ever. I'm tired of Ronnie Coleman. They didn't have Synthol back in the 70's either. Besides it's really not something to debate publicly. Jimmy the Greek got fired rightfully so for opening up his dumb mouth.Do you want me to start a post that says most guys that end up in jail are black, and thats where all the violent crime is.
 
"Do you want me to start a post that says most guys that end up in jail are black, and thats where all the violent crime is."

Dude, that is a stupid thing to say. Here we've having (by and large) a very respectful, scientific discussion and you have to drag racism into it.

Stating the obvious truth that people of certain backgrounds can have genetic advantages in certain sports IS NOT RACIST. Please.

Norwegians tend to be taller and paler than, say, Guatemalans. In order not to be racist, do we all have to pretend we don't notice things like that?

"Different" does not mean better or worse. God made people in all shapes, colors, and sizes. No one type is better than any other, but some types tend, as a general rule, to be better cut out for certain sports. That isn't racism. It's common sense.
 
Arnold and Franco Columbo paved the way for bodybuilding. There wasn't anything fake either. There wasn't any synthol back in the 70's.
 
i heard that ppl from iran and afghanistan or whatever it is r so fucking strong physically (due to the environment they live in)..
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Iranians are strong .they always tie the US in freestyle wrestling plus they set two weightlifting records @the sydny olympics.
and yes the african americans have good genetics!
 
Genetics and natural selection are the primary components but additionally there is a synergy known as hybrid vigor that can contribute to the above factors. Many blacks in this country have hybrid genetics to some degree and just look at the sports world for examples of gifted hybrids.
 
Triple J said:
Genetics and natural selection are the primary components but additionally there is a synergy known as hybrid vigor that can contribute to the above factors. Many blacks in this country have hybrid genetics to some degree and just look at the sports world for examples of gifted hybrids.
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You have hit the nail on the head. The fact is, whether some may want to admit it or not most blacks in this country have hybrid genetics. That is why the Blacks from the US don't look very much like blacks from Africa. There is a big difference on the facial bone structure, skin tone/pigmentation, softening of features (ex. Shawn Ray), Blacks in the US are also larger on the average than African Blacks. It goes back to the selective breeding used i times gone by as well as other social factors. The most obvious hybrid Blacks are the likes of:

Paul Dillet
Shawn Ray
Michael Jordan ( very soft facial features)
Kevin Levrone
Dennis Rodman etc...

Also one of the differences in Hybrid genetics are the Blacks with them have a greater aptitude for learning and score higher on IQ tests. Take that as you may but it is a big plus.
 
Yes, I agree that there are many differences among different groups of Africans, simply
because we are talking about a gigantic continent. But you must realize with this
selective breeding thing, when else has any group of people on the face of the Earth
been bred with a specific purpose for even a single generation, much less 400 years.
I know that evolution takes millions of years, but even half hearted selective breeding
for 2 or 3 generations could make a difference. I think 10,000 years of evolution as
far as athletic ability took place in 400 years, or at least that that's a possibility worth
considering. Think about it: in society in general how many people breed selectively.

Shit, my wife whom I am separated from and I have a kid. I am about 6'1, 6'2. I had a
good arm and was built to play baseball. She is just over 5 foot. If I would have nailed a
6 footer we might have
a pitcher on our hands. Really just kind of kidding, but you get the point, it could make
a difference in a limited amount of time.
Again, this is just a theory, not something set in stone that I can show you research
on.
 
blacks get cut faster because they originate form an area where having extra body fat is not an advantage. They dont need to much body fat in hot ass africa. whites excell at weightlifting because of muscle insertions. The calfs for example of most whites are long and thick, built for pulling or pushing while MOST blacks have a high calf designed for more spring action, making it useful in sprinting and hurdling. Also, blacks have smaller waist while whites have a thicker wider abdomen built for strength and stability. The classic roman/greek statues of heros illustrates this type of physique. There are difference in africans as well depending on location but since blacks and whites in europe as well. Im a big guy and naturally fast. Im from the inner city, mostly black and I kept up with all the dudes around and Im white. Now is that genetics or enviorment:0 I do notice smaller white guys lifting more than a black guy of equivilant size. Just an observation.
 
Keep it beefy said:
the main reason that blacks can run faster and jump higher is not because of there physiques
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This makes no sense.

You say their athletic ability has nothing to do with their phyiques, then you state the physiological differences of Africans.
 
nice post... im suprised noone has brought this up before... well, i am white and i have always had that "black look", being ripped and fast and i could always jump high, i was dunkin a basketball when i was 15 and i ran a 4.5 not too long ago... when i was 13 i was starting to get kind of muscular... it was weird, then i started liftin weights when i was 14 and i always looked the same... i still have pretty much the same build as i always have except more mass of course... but i do agree that black guys seem to have good genetics and they always looked cut and ripped... pretty weird... but then again, some white guys are the same way... some people just have good genetics i suppose... but its what you do with em that counts
 
i forgot where i read it,,but a while ago it was either Britannica or some other encylopedia, wrote about a topic simmalar to this this in the 1930's edition,,i guess its not P.C. to write about this stuff now

the black athlete is by far more superior,,if u dont think so then your just bullshiting yourself. The numbers are there, just look at our pro leauges and who makes up a majority of them,,,

i bet alot of you guys dont watch soccer, but on a international level,,countries like France and Holland's national team is like 50% black, i belive south american soccer teams that dont have large european or african influnces(like brazil, and argentina) could never win a world cup b/c their racial/genetic make up limits them,,they are too small and easily get over matched by the much more tall and limber Brazilan mix...

fuck it,,,if the world doesnt blow up anytime soon, we'll all be the same race
 
The differences in appearance of american blacks to african blacks are not from selective breeding....they are from WHITE genes. The slave owners fucked the slaves left and right and nobody ever wanted to admit to it. ie. thomas jefferson!
 
Guys,

There is a recent book on this subject. I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet. It's called "Taboo"

-mb
 
I think the answer is obvious.

African Americans were slaves for a very very long time, working hard. Only the toughest survived, and thus today their superior genetics!.
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
mcdbol........did you say south american teams (like Brazil and Argentina) could never win a world cup?? In case you don't know, the South Americans are the best soccer players IN THE WORLD!!! Anybody care to research EXACTLY how many world cups Brazil has won?? I"m pretty sure they've won the most, but argentina (I beleive) is up there as well. Just some personal observations here from watching leagues in europe and south america........the individual play of the south americans is absolutely unparalleled. The europeans play a more strategic "team" game, I give the germans as the best example....like watching grass grow. But without a shadow of a doubt, when it comes to soccer, the South americans are the best at individual skill.
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i guess i worded it worng,,i meant brazil and argentina have either europeans or africans playing for them, thus they are strong,,,it was more directed to countries like el salvador, that have mostly smaller indian blooded players that cant compete with the likes of brazil,argentina
 
i guess i worded it worng,,i meant brazil and argentina have either europeans or africans playing for them, thus they are strong,,,it was more directed to countries like el salvador, that have mostly smaller indian blooded players that cant compete with the likes of brazil,argentina
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That's not right either.
Soccer is dominated by those with Spanish genes. Those small guys ARE the ones who dominate soccor.

As said before, different races have genetics that differ slightly causing certain advantages. I think African-American's have the best genes for many sports skills, but in soccer it is definately the Spanish. Something about there foot skills and hand-eye coordination. (or foot-eye coordination)
 
the_Pikey said:

That's not right either.
Soccer is dominated by those with Spanish genes. Those small guys ARE the ones who dominate soccor.

As said before, different races have genetics that differ slightly causing certain advantages. I think African-American's have the best genes for many sports skills, but in soccer it is definately the Spanish. Something about there foot skills and hand-eye coordination. (or foot-eye coordination)
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Man that's stupid for you to say that. I am European, born and raised and can tell you that we regard Spanish and Portugese and italians to be Caucisian. Yes they are a slightly different version of the Nordic Caucisian but Caucisian non the less. It always amuses me, when i hear people in the US regard Spanish people as not Caucisian. I think what you are referring to is Hispanic, not Spanish. Now Hispanic would more accurately describe a person of Hybrid genetics with a Spanish heritage and spanish as a main language.
Incedentally i am of the opinion the when Caucisian's mate with Negroid's they have some of the prettiest children i have ever seen. And they ususally grow up with excellent athletic ability, health and inteligence. It's literally like they get the best of both worlds.
 
dominate my ass, a 5 foot 2 hispanic(of mostly indian blood),rarely make it to the big leauges,,the ones of mostly european or african blood are the ones that get bought out by the major european clubs...most of them are from brazil and argentina(who are generally taller and more physical b/c of their genes)

makes u think why the spanish had such a easy time conquering the indians of S.america(other than bringing diseases over),couse they were tiny
 
gwl9dta4 said:

Dennis Rodman etc...

...have a greater aptitude for learning and score higher on IQ tests.
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hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe:FRlol:
 
If blacks are so superior, why do they always get killed first in all the war movies I see? Maybe it is because they are so fast that they are always in front during a charge?
 
On the average, it is a proven fact that black males have a higher test level than white males. Black females also have a higher test level than white females. This is not a law, but it is pretty normal. I read some scientific study on it, of course I think it related to criminal tendancies and was on stormfront.org or some shit - but thats what I heard.. Take it or leave it :)

derrick m.
--
#!
 
rare freak of nature

a good friend of mine who is black benches 500lbs at 190lbs, heres the interesting part, he has never juiced. i have known him since we were kids and can testify to that, he's constantly accused of it. even in high school, the football coach did cause they couldn't believe his strength. he hardly even works at it, he's more interested in karate. i have tried to get him to, he won some teenage powerlifting events way back that weren't tested, but if he geared up it would be crazy. told him he could break some real records if he took the plunge, but he never will, he's a clean cut guy that has never done any type of drug or alcohol. and i don't think it has anything to do with being black, he's just one of those rare freaks of nature.
 
steroid boy said:
I just think the colored people work harder...Why do all the white guys win a lot of contests..Dorian, Arnold etc.. They all got access to the same gear? I think the average colored guy probably is hungrier
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There is no doubt they are great athletes but eveyone knows they are lazy.
 
Ka-bar, I sure hope you're kidding about blacks being lazy. Don't make me have to open a can of whoop-ass ...

I'll show you lazy, dawg ... :-} :fro:

-- ercole
 
Ercole said:
Ka-bar, I sure hope you're kidding about blacks being lazy. Don't make me have to open a can of whoop-ass ...

I'll show you lazy, dawg ... :-} :fro:

-- ercole
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I'm not racial and do have some black friends but IMO I think its true. :)
 
This board sucks...

..when it comes to being P.C. This thread is so racist and stereotypical. It's goes to show that many of you juice heads are too young(immature) to be here or just straight up REDNECK. I swear, it seems that the mods would have the brains to deltete threads such as this, or maybe they are good ole' boys too, that frown upon people of color. If this pisses anyone off, GOOD, cause that's how I feel now.

"In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty"
~Bob Marley
 
Chill Out Doc

I dont understand how you think how this thread is racist and should be deleted....if you go to the first page and read my post you will see that I am far from a ignorant prejudice redneck....I admit...there are some who have replied to this thread and have somewhat of a discriminatory tone...however to label the whole thread one of discrimination is wrong....I believe it is simply an interesting thoughtful discussion....if anything it is praising African Americans for their god-given beautiful physiques...shit dude...lighten up......PEACE
 
God save us from white liberals

Doctor Herb, I would guess from your patronizing, paternalistic attitude towards what you unctuously call "people of color" that you're a white liberal of baby boomer age.

This thread actually shows what I would call real racial progress since "your day", when white libs rountinely patronized blacks by "generously" protecting them from all honesty, straight talk, or criticism.

Today's blacks are tired of being the spoiled lap dogs of white liberals. We're big boys and girls. We can deal with criticism, even remnants of ignorance and prejudice, without having to rely on being "protected" by the sanctimonious likes of you.
 
First off let me say Ercole that was an excellent reply to Dr Dicks bullshit post. I think that this is an excellent thread but I suppose it was to much to expect not to have someone post racial shite or for some condescending hysteric to label us all racists!
This thread typifies this board - intelligent posts, wide variety of opinions and theories and very informative! I must admit that I always believed in the survival of the fittest theory because the conditions on the slave ships where so bad [disease, hunger etc.] that only the strongest even made it to America resulting in a superior gene pool! However this thread has provided a lot of food for thought!
:mix:
 
Re: This board sucks...

DoctorHERB said:
..when it comes to being P.C. This thread is so racist and stereotypical. It's goes to show that many of you juice heads are too young(immature) to be here or just straight up REDNECK. I swear, it seems that the mods would have the brains to deltete threads such as this, or maybe they are good ole' boys too, that frown upon people of color. If this pisses anyone off, GOOD, cause that's how I feel now.

"In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty"
~Bob Marley
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Um I think You are racial.
 
Damn, I sure got plenty of theories on this.. This post is no way racial and I thought it was a legitamite question.. Thanks for all the great replies..

Wish I had good genetics, oh well..
 
If you look at africans in Africa, specially on the wescoast, they are super skinny and not that much muscle tone to them.

They came here as slaves. 9,000 miles in a ship. Tha weak ones died. The ones that made it where a little bit stronger...

They were brought here to work and lift and carry things and do manual labor,,,, the weak ones died...the strong ones lived....

The strong ones kept reproducing... leading to a genetically advantaged race.

Yes i know there are a lot of African runts out there too..but the majority are genetically ahead.

They deserve to be, they've been fucked over for over 400 years.
 
Keep it beefy said:
...due to millions of years in subsaharan africa, blacks have developed superior heat regulatory systems. firstly, they have longer appendages (look at most black guys, they are taller, have smaller wastes, thinner longer fingers, longer feet, and toes, thinner ankles, etc.), this enables them to radiate heat faster (surface area/volume ratio is much higher). and heat loss is the primary concern of any long distance athlete. (studies have shown that when equivalent masses of rats and humans are compared, the rats can produce 9 times the power of the human-this is due to heat loss, their surface area of all the rats combined is much much higher than that of the human with the equivalent mass to all the rats). also the black skin helps, black is the most emissive color when it comes to radiation, yet another reason why they can keep cooler. also, studies have shown in biopsies of blacks that they have more blood perfusion per muscle fiber (more capillaries/muscle fiber), which enables them to transport more oxygen to the muscle under aerobic conditions, effectively allowing them to produce more energy with out lactic acid breakdown. as far as being bigger, that is a fallacy. they have lower body fats so that there is less insulation = more heat loss). as you can see, almost all of the traits that blacks have the make them superior in most sports are derived from heat regulatory systems. i could write more, but the gym is calling me. later

-beefy
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dude, i am taking anthro right now and you are absolutely right about the surface area / heat adaptation evolution. It's called Bergman's rule and Allen's rule. Anyway, just wanted to give you some support on that point since i just had a lecture on it last week. i don't know about all their blood / fiber advantages, but the body heat dissipation system of african americans is far superior and is a result of thousands of years adaptation. by the way, my anthro teacher is an anti-patriotic commie bitch. i hope she reads this.
 
steroid boy said:
I just think the colored people work harder...Why do all the white guys win a lot of contests..Dorian, Arnold etc.. They all got access to the same gear? I think the average colored guy probably is hungrier
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What year are you living in " colored people" who says that anymore. Black guys win just as many contest if not more latley. Who is Mr. O, who was the Masters Mr. O last year, come on black guys do pretty good in bodybuilding!

American Blacks have great genetics because of slavery. You do not see that many great African Athletes except for long distance runners from Kenya. It is all because they were bred to be big and strong.
 
Keep it beefy said:
you guys are all talking out of your asses. first off, evolution takes millions of years....
-beefy
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I call bullshit. It does not take millions of years to see changes. Try tens of thousands.
 
But from all this, African americans have greater chance of getting high blood pressure, prostate cancer, cardiovascular disease, etc....

Any thoughts?
 
swimmar said:


I call bullshit. It does not take millions of years to see changes. Try tens of thousands.
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It actually takes 20,000 years to see changes in human evolution, was on the Discovery Channel last night, watch the show it is called "The Real Eve" talks all about the evolution of man. Very interesting.

We are not talking about changes in evolution here but just breeding, and American Blacks were bred to be bigger and stronger than their African counterparts. You can change things with breeding alot faster but genetically they remain the same as their African forefathers, but physically they have become bigger and stronger.

This is what I believe to be true.
 
This was an interesting post, and I am surprised that differing opinions were presented without it turning into a name-calling affair which would have happened on the chat board within 5 posts. I tend to agree with the slavery leading to strong individuals theory, but when you start talking about inherent traits due to race, it starts to get dangerously sensitive to some.

For example, if you accept that blacks are genetically superior in some physical areas based on what we see in the sports world, can you similarly conclude that they are intellectually inferior to whites based on what we see in academia?

I don't accept this because I think most people can learn given the proper resources and environment. So I will sign up for the theory about strong Africans surviving on the slave ship, surviving in the fields, reproducing, etc, etc.

I only wish my own ancestors had passed on to me about 20 more lbs of muscle and 2 more inches in height. Maybe I'd still be playing football on Sundays. :)
 
ttlpkg said:
This was an interesting post, and I am surprised that differing opinions were presented without it turning into a name-calling affair which would have happened on the chat board within 5 posts. I tend to agree with the slavery leading to strong individuals theory, but when you start talking about inherent traits due to race, it starts to get dangerously sensitive to some.

For example, if you accept that blacks are genetically superior in some physical areas based on what we see in the sports world, can you similarly conclude that they are intellectually inferior to whites based on what we see in academia?

I don't accept this because I think most people can learn given the proper resources and environment. So I will sign up for the theory about strong Africans surviving on the slave ship, surviving in the fields, reproducing, etc, etc.

I only wish my own ancestors had passed on to me about 20 more lbs of muscle and 2 more inches in height. Maybe I'd still be playing football on Sundays. :)
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i terms of intellegence/academics i totally agree with you,,,your enviornment and the resources you have at your disposal plays a huge role,,,but unfortunatly in atheletics, u have to be born with the skill (good coaching could only take u so far)
 
drveejay11 said:


WTF??? :freak:
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i think its obvious. like many blond girls and certain fat girls i know, she loves black cock. most girls do. its a fact of life. they love the hard bodies and baseball bat sized cocks. heck we would all love that on ourselves as well.
 
naw

I dont think "academics" has anything to do with it. The history of man is open to specualtion. If everybody started out in africa,, than why all the different races?

I mean with all due respect, why would a race choose to leave africa to go to a cold weather enviroment(europe)? Were the original white men explorers? Were they outcasts as albinos(1-1000 kids are born as albinos in africa if I am not mistaken and can't take the heat) as some ancient texts speculate? Did they just get lost? Did they just say fuck it(like the pilgrims) and just leave? We don't know!

Not to turn this into something that it is not, but selective breeding probaly isnt anywhere near a new concept. Looking at african americans today you will see all our different shades. And what did the introduction of native american blood have to do with us? What did they bring to the table? All this is very interesting.

We have some of the best "white qualities"(due to masters having sex with women slaves) and some of the best "black qualities. The strong of all these breedings were the ones to survive the brutal life.

Combine the best qualities of euros and africans and you have some strong, agile, quick muthas, with some mass. And truth be told it is alot of whites out here with black blood in them. I hate to say it but its alot like dog breeding. Take a big dog that can move and breed it with another big dog that can move? What do you get most the time? Alot of big dogs that can move and a few runts. What happened to the runts in slave times? LOL They died. And lets not forget only the strong whites and blacks could survive the early trips here. So you have the combined strongest of the strong of both races making offspring.

We can't say any race is superior in the mind, we all have made good things and have done bad things, but in the physical sense there is no disputing the differences. Whites survive better in the cold, we survive better in heat.

Plato once said he had read a ancient history book in africa that said man has risen up many times only to be put down by nature and have to start over like a baby. I wonder out of those times has silly racism messed things up. If you are white you may put on mass better, us we may define better, but in the end we want the fucking combo anyway and are after the same thing. Its only by selective and interracial breeding that alot of us african americans have both traits, although I bet our ancestors would have wanted it another way.
 
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