Bias opinions, False sense of security.

[bluetoolpaul]

Vaild point Bruvstar, everyone has their opinion on what works for them...we're never all going to agree with each other...

I will add to the discussion that there's a possibility a lot of new guys are PM-ing you after not using something correctly (which is human nature) and could be forming a clouded opinion...

I personally happen to have has success with NTBM and will recommend NTBM to anyone but the decision is ultimately theirs...

~EZ

This too^^^^

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Also I will add that NTBM has a 100% moneyback gurantee so if you did get somehting that didn't work for you Nathan will refund you no questions asked.

 

[the_alcatraz]

You've been here a month with less than 200 posts, you've done one dbol only cycle, and you've got "lots of people emailing you" for advice? How are they getting your email? And why would they be emailing you anyway?

This.

 

[ishaq]

sorry for the random jump in fellas, but at the bottom of the page some one has tagged a keyword as 'bruvstar is a homo' lmao no offence just thought i was funny lol

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I'm going to ignore the ranting going on. Op has an ok point that is being buried. There is too much advertising BUT elite is the only place I'd accept that from. The top members here (radar, needto, etc) are the backbones of the community AND heavy promoters of said companies/products. If radar says its good, its good. I've been here since like 02 and that's the thing that never changed.

They will immediately stop advertising it, if it becomes garbage. I trust that I know that about elite.

Sent from my SPH-D710 using EliteFitness

 

[ceo]

Its not my problem If you don't believe me is it? And pm's...

PMs are different from emails. Say what you mean.

I'm a heavy contributor. I've always tried to help.

You're a heavy contributor in your whole one month here?? And here you are already saying you're "fed up" with reps and mods, saying they (we) need to start offering real advice (like telling your 190 pound dumb ass NOT to use insulin?), and calling sponsors products "rubbish"?

Over advertising is an issue. If You want to have an adult debate, and talk about the different points. That would be far More sensible and likely to get somewhere?

Is that a question?

I've run Tren, test, dbol and a previous Adrol cycle. It's got nothing to do with that.

Why did you say you've only done one dbol cycle 3 months ago in another thread then?

I did say no disrespect but I'm a post grad, not a retard, I just think it's harsh how SOME reps push people into buying shit? A lot of you are fucking brilliant.

I see spelling and grammar weren't your strong subjects. I bet the work you do is all rubbish. You should try doing some real work and offering real advice to people. I saw your almost cut-n-paste article on injection techniques that you changed just a bit enough to make it look like your own...rubbish. Oh, no disrespect though!!

Does that work? That makes it OK, right?

Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours. It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.

Get your money back then. You say people are spending hundreds on products that are rubbish? Tell them to get their fucking money back, and you too. NTBM products have a 100% money back guarantee, even if you use them improperly. Put that higher education to use and call them up or email their support email.

why don't you let us know which products you used that didn't work?

 

[Cutiebolic]

I don't have a stake in this. I'm not a mod and I'm not receiving anything as a rep. In fact, I don't even get products. I will say the following, though.

The diet industry in this country is huge business, on which a gross sum of money is spent annually. I remember the first time I tried AAS (good pharma grade) I was stunned by how LITTLE it helped me at the gym. Now, granted I'm female, but the male bodybuilders and powerlifters I hang out with laughed at my surprise at the time. I mean, I was making noticeable gains, but I was shocked that I still had to work hard. In fact, I was working harder!

I guess the point I'm getting at is this: If you're not getting results, it may not be the supplements. Some supplements do help, but perhaps there is something else off with your training (diet or exercise)?

If you are going to use supplements (AAS or not) it's important to make sure you choose the right ones for your body (safety and efficacy are the primary concerns). Yes, ask people here. But look at the ingredients and do some research yourself. PM the people you trust. Make sure you choose something that fits. Before you go trashing someone else's reputation you might want to make sure you haven't just chosen the wrong product for you, aren't using it correctly, or aren't working hard enough/smart enough.

Happy to help via PM if you have any q's. That is, if you trust me... lol.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm speaking my mind and taking a chance here. I do my best to help when I can, I'm honest, I try to be fair and help.

As do loads of you out there, who deserve a f***ing medal.

I am beginning to get fed up with some REP's and Even Mods, promoting products that are quite frankly rubbish, and sell outs.
If you want to help, REAL opinions and REAL advice help. Lots of people have been emailing me, confused and wondering where their going wrong, because they've got every product from NTBM, Orbit, SUPPS and the rest and wonder why after spending 100's they aren't working.

Not saying they don't work, some of which i've used is great, some on the other hand almost makes things worse. I know i don't speak for myself here. How about easing up on advertising and offering real advice for real people?

I don't expect any replies to this, just read it. And no disrespect to MODS or REPS, I know its your job..But still.

WHat I would like to know is where the fuck are these people??
You talk to 10 people this week if your lucky/.,. I talked to 1000 in a day and why am I not seeing what you are? Why am I not getting one single person saying what you are right now?

Now I have also seen hundreds of thousands of people do things hundreds of thousands of different ways and still have problems. Everyone is different. You have to find what works for you in every aspect. Now you coming here and shitting on this site the way you are is pissing me off to be honest...

I sure as fuck hope you got at least a few of these so cold people your talking about to come into this thread and validate what you just said. Because you got 5 hours to prove it otherwise I am banning you for flat out lying.

 

[needtogetaas]

This thread will last about 20 mins.... you can't have freedom of speech brah.. this is the internet

Lmao... That is totally wrong. As long as he is not to out of line I think a Bias opinion is worth its weight in gold my friend. If we all agreed it be pretty damn boring around here lol...

Its when you out right attack people that you get banned or the thread gets deleted. The starter of this thread is getting pretty damn close to this and I sure hope the so called " hundreds" of people he has been talking to are ready to come back him up... O and they also better have more then 2 post and a 2011 join date. Anyone can create 10 alters and talk to him self with them bwaahahahaa

 

[needtogetaas]

To be honest thank god for this fucking thread. I been going out of my mind bored. Bruvstar please tell me you got half a brain and can back up the bull shit your speaking... I need a intelligent debate badly... So now please tell me what advice have I given some one that you had to correct ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! Please o great one teach me.. Or at least entertain me