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Green Goblin

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Hello all. I just fininshed reading a new study conducted by scientists at the University of Kansas (published in J IREPR RES (2002) 15:1233-1243). The goal of the study was to enhance the absorption of trenbalone acetate, maximizing the weight gain and growth potential of feedlot cattle. Now this is going to sound strange, but it is scientifically sound.

The research team compared 1) inserting one 200 mg trenbalone acetate pellet per 200 kg heifer weight (Finaplix-H) into the rectum of the cattle with 2) direct intramuscular injection of trenbalone acetate, done at 1 mg/kg. The results were amazing! Three-fold higher AUC's were obtained for the suppository form compared to direct injection. (AUC is "area under the curve" for non-pharmacologists -- it is a measurement of a compound in plasma that takes into account both serum concentration AND amount of time the compound is present. The formula for this is c^n X t; concentration raised to n-power X time, where n is Sanford's constant (a little complicated to explain in this message)) The group claims that duration of exposure is as important as peak plasma levels, a common phamarmacologic paradigm. The explaination for this increased exposure is the extreme vascularity of the rectum, especially at the juncture where the rectum joins the colon. The time-released trenbalone was very readily absorbed at this site. Direct intramuscular administration resulted in relatively fast (1 hour) peak plasma concentrations, but clearance of the compound was fast, with a half life of only 284.7 minutes post-peak. The suppository group had a lower, but pharmacologically effective, concentration for an incredible 6.5 days. So the bottom line is this: using this model system, one might predict that using trenbalone pellets as a suppository would give better results than converting it to an injectable form. Humans share the vascularity of the upper rectum. This very convenient route of administration would prevent a possible loss of precious product in the conversion process as well! AND... one would only need to place a couple of pellets up there once a week... and NO MORE DAMN NEEDLES!! I am going to give this thing a try and will update all of you when the results are in.

The Green Goblin
 
Are you f@ckin nuts. But please go ahead and try it out. Post your results. :spin: :FRlol: :laugh2:
 
Yeah but how long does it take to dissolve. I take a shit about 4 times a day and I dont want to look down at my crap and see that it has pellet for an eye instead of corn!
 
Well Hayesjones, while I am unsure what binders are used to create the Finaplix-H pellets, it would necessarily have to be water soluble to breakdown in the subcutaneous environment. Making the assumption of methylcellulose (one of the most common binders), I would say 4-5 hours. Thus it would be best to insert the pellets immediately after your final defecation of the day, giving the pellets at least 8 hours to dissolve and absorb. This would be entirely sufficient.
 
Creep, the rectum and the decending colon merge approximately 20 cm past the anus. Too far for a finger, but some apparatus could be devised.

GG
 
Creep, the rectum and the decending colon merge approximately 20 cm past the anus. Too far for a finger, but some apparatus could be devised.
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A needle is sounding better and better.
 
But remember ROLGOR, one would only need to get the pellet into the top 1/3 of the rectum, or about 13 centimeters, for the benefit of the increased vascularity of the region. Not too bad. In fact, I think one can purchase a tiny suppository insertion device of that size at the local pharmacy or novelty shop.
 
can you possibly take some pix as you perform this and post them on here, like that jack-ass that removed his own gyno?
 
I have often thought about a Fina suppository. Its ideal on a no carb diet because you dont shit for weeks. Also, is it possible to extract the tren, and make your own suppositiries, with better binders, made for that purpose. Shit, you could make a b12-tren-vitaminE-aloe suppository with a fina kit and some parafin. You guys can laugh all you want, if you want to be rational and scientific about it, the suppository method is effective, and it is safer and easier on the system. Im not gonna do it because Im not into tren. But if someone comes up with an Var/Deca timerelease buttplug, this confirmed heterosexual will be the first in line!
 
Interesting. While putting something in an exit only isn't that attractive, if it is safer on my body I might consider it.....although I don't know putting something up my ass is a little fucked up. But injecting ed sort of sucks too, right now I'm injecting eod and it's hard because I shake too much to inject myself so I need a buddy to do it and no one I live with I trust enough to do it (or to know that I am on AAS). Let us know how it goes and can anyone confirm that it would indeed be less harsh on the system? Any new problems that might occur from the suppository like a rash in your asshole? lol Let us know.
 
IF you are REALLY serious, give it a try.
Hell if you get such a higher yeild of tren in the system, then its good! Havent any of you had suppositoris before? Once a week would be livable, its better than spot inkjectin every damn day.
Two pokes a week of test is enough (i only go in the quads).
I doubt the seriousness though.....
 
This is not new and actually has been talked about on this board plenty of times. It's no secret or surprise that Fina can be absorbed more easily in the rectum. No one (to my knowledge) has tried it yet. You can possibly give the board some valuable information if you try it. Take pictures (not of you administering it) but before and after pictures. I'm not interested in seeing a pellet going up your ass. This way we can decide for ourselves the results you get. I for one am not shy for poking myself with needles, but if results are better and it is not a "pain in the ass" so to speak, it may be a way to lessen injections especially when stacking with another injectible.

Let us know how it goes if you decide to try it.
 
one thing that should be considered. You would not have to worry about haveing converted fina sitting around.
 
I read somewhere that testosterone ester suppositories have been used for years in hormone replacement therapy. LOL.

-Spidey
 
You are correct Spidey, testosterone suppositories are used for hormone replacement therapy. And you, too, are correct ROLGOR, no ILLEGAL converted fina... so long as they remain in pellet form, they COULD be for your cattle.

UPDATE: There appears to be no ACUTE rectal irritation from taking trenbalone acetate in this manner. I will keep you posted about any developing side effects... and my conversion from THE HOUSE to THE APARTMENT BUILDING!!! :D

BTW, this will be my first ever cycle of ANY anabolic. I am hoping for some tremendous gains!

-GG
 
Green Goblin:
How and how far did you put the pellet(s) in? I assume you placed 2 pellets? How often are you going to do this? What's the APR percent of a financing loan to be taken over 15 years?

-I'm full of questions today!

:alien:
 
The new term could be "fina-packing"...

Guy 1: You see that guy over there?
Guy 2: Yeah...
Guy 1: He's a major fina-packer!
Guy 2: No shit?
Guy 1: Well, I wouldn't go that far...

*both laugh*


I'm just kidding -- check it out. I don't like ed injections (main reason I haven't tried fina), so it'd be nice to hear how this works. Just gotta make sure your clean and careful when your using the "apparatus" so you don't tear up your ass lining and get some sort of weird infection or something. (you do realize that 13 cm is 5", right?).
 
HMMMMmmmmmmmMMmmmmmmm........

................wouldnt it be funny to know you got people, over the internet, to stick fina up thier ass?
 
THeMaCHinE said:
you do realize that 13 cm is 5", right?
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Oh hell! I didn't realize that until you said that. I was thinking about mm or something - like a half-inch. Dang, 5.12 inches is a long way up there! I'd say some people on here has had longer things than that up there though, come on fess up Nathan.
 
South Park

LivinLarger:

Are you talkin about the episode where everyone starts shoving food up there ass and shitting out there mouth? It's funny, when I started to read this thread I thought of that episode of South Park also.


:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :p :p :p :p
 
The ONLY reason I haven't tried Fina is because everyday inj are
just not practical for me. If it works...I'll take it in the can.
g
 
Well I have calculated the dosage to be 4 pellets, twice a week. Not a problem getting them in, but I am not completely sure about depth. I think they are in there 13 cm. I do have a "before pic" and will post it asap. Sorry guys, no pictures of my ass will be posted. :rolleyes: :finger: I will keep you apprised of my successes and my not-so-successes. I know it seems odd, but at least i will have no abcesses in my quads (or any other muscle for that matter). :D
 
Props to Green Goblin for sticking Fina up his ass!!! Just think about it, he might actually be paving a new way for Fina.
You go GG!!
g
 
Green Goblin said:
Well I have calculated the dosage to be 4 pellets, twice a week. Not a problem getting them in, but I am not completely sure about depth. I think they are in there 13 cm.
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Tell us again how you arrived at this dosage protocol (i.e. how many mg/kg; and why 2x wk)? And you are saying 8 pellets -- 160 mg/total/wk (avg. 22.9 mg/day) correct? Also, what are you using to get them up there?
 
This is funny shit, but I bet it works. My girl takes her E this way and it works just fine for her.

I feel you are the first of a new generation of juicers er um packers.

One small anal packin for man, one giant anal packin for mankind!

Goblin I think you should do an all anal cycle next LOL. Get some Dbol to run with fina perhaps finish off with winny to help "solidify" your gains. Oh and don't forget clomid post cycle.
 
:lmao: :lmao: Are you fucking kidding me?

Before we know we'll have a bunch of Fina Packers running around on this board.

Fucking fina Bandits!!!
 
can one staked it with AD AND D-BOL and pherhaps all multy vitamins? ho wait I got a name for this "THE RECTUM SUPER-HOMO-CYCLE":laugh2: :laugh2:
 
I agree Huck and I may try the pack'em method myself.
I do not see the importance of packin it in 5" however, I seriously doubt it will stay there for long IMO it will drop within a short time.
 
Sounds promising. Now if you can get a wooden spoon or something and ram it repeatedly up your ass after you've inserted the pellet to break it up then you might be able to increase the rate and quality of absorption. Alien Amp Pharm is an expert on cramming things up the ol' poop-shoot so let's wait for his reply on this matter.

Also, Alien Amp Pharm has a feces fetish. He told me.
 
Is this for real. I cannot tell. Funny how everyone turns into a 9 year old when suppositories are mentioned. Not sure but I think the medical field has been using suppositories for a number of years now. It has nothing to do with your manhood, it has to do with the absorption. It is so childish and foolish to….wait…what?….suppositories go up your ASS…oh man that is so gay! :D ;) For real, is this thread real or a bunch of bull crap, some one just trying to trick the newbies into shoving something up their asses and everyone getting a good laugh out of it.
 
answer:

THeMaCHinE said:


Tell us again how you arrived at this dosage protocol (i.e. how many mg/kg; and why 2x wk)? And you are saying 8 pellets -- 160 mg/total/wk (avg. 22.9 mg/day) correct? Also, what are you using to get them up there?
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Well machine, if you recall the original post, a three-fold increase in AUC was obtained via rectal administration vs IM. If you do the math, 4 pellets twice a week should give one the same exposure to trenbalone as approximately 70 mg/day IM. Since this is my first fina cycle, I wanted to keep my dose around there for now. For administration, I use a 3/8" hollow BIC pen barrel with a homemade 1/4" wooden dowel "plunger" to insert.
 
Is this for real. I cannot tell.
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Well VBallPlayer, I for one would not joke about putting something up my ass.

Funny how everyone turns into a 9 year old when suppositories are mentioned. Not sure but I think the medical field has been using suppositories for a number of years now. It has nothing to do with your manhood, it has to do with the absorption. It is so childish and foolish to….wait…what?….suppositories go up your ASS…oh man that is so gay!
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And that is the problem with this idea, which many have pointed out as not very new. Those other guys are too squeemish for this. It is not that needles bother me... I am diabetic... I just dont wish to inject something "homemade" into my body. There is too much risk of infection or abcess. So long as the insertion of these fina pellets is done with some degree of caution, I don't expect that will ever be a problem!

GG
 
WOW!! Look at all those views!! It looks like there are quite a
few people who are interested in this thread. My prediction....
Green Goblin get's huge, this thread is one of the most read/replied threads on ELITE, many people sticking FINA up
dookie hole.
g
 
Green Goblin said:
Well machine, if you recall the original post, a three-fold increase in AUC was obtained via rectal administration vs IM. If you do the math, 4 pellets twice a week should give one the same exposure to trenbalone as approximately 70 mg/day IM. Since this is my first fina cycle, I wanted to keep my dose around there for now. For administration, I use a 3/8" hollow BIC pen barrel with a homemade 1/4" wooden dowel "plunger" to insert.
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Thanks for answering. Keep us up to date.
 
Nathan said:
Sounds promising. Now if you can get a wooden spoon or something and ram it repeatedly up your ass after you've inserted the pellet to break it up then you might be able to increase the rate and quality of absorption.
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hahahha, I started picturing that and I nearly died. lol
 
Originally posted by Nathan
Sounds promising. Now if you can get a wooden spoon or something and ram it repeatedly up your ass after you've inserted the pellet to break it up then you might be able to increase the rate and quality of absorption.
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By the way, this would increase the rate of absorption but would have deleterious effects on the increased AUC one would hope to achieve by doing this..... not to mention be god-awfully painful. :D :D

Also, think of the money you could save... more bang for the buck

GG
 
Green Goblin said:
Well machine, if you recall the original post, a three-fold increase in AUC was obtained via rectal administration vs IM. If you do the math, 4 pellets twice a week should give one the same exposure to trenbalone as approximately 70 mg/day IM. Since this is my first fina cycle, I wanted to keep my dose around there for now. For administration, I use a 3/8" hollow BIC pen barrel with a homemade 1/4" wooden dowel "plunger" to insert.
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You get extra points for creativity.
 
If the study GG posted is sound then why the hell not? I had to take suppositories when I was younger. Granted it was for a few days but after you realize its just another part of your fucking body then who gives a flying fuck. I will be extremely interested in this.

and for all the gay men out there I wouldnt think of "helping" your partner put those up there. I can imagine that a fina pellet stuck in your eurethra would not be a fun trip to the ER :

As hetrosexual males I think we should give Green Goblin a round of applause for taking it up the ass.

keep us posted bro.
 
GG,
If you take the fina twice a week (at night), whats stops the fina from coming out when shitting the next day?
 
Everything sounds fine with the exception of your dose. 4 pellets is 80 mg's tren. Tren should be run at 75 mg's a day or at the least EOD.
The test shows 4 times more absorption analy at a dose of 200 mg's for cattle. So for sake of argument you implant 200 mg's of Tren in a cows ear and the absorption is 50 mg's (assume) So you shove the pellets up the hefers ass and 4 times absorption means all 200 mg's have been absorbed(assumed) but you just cant assume when dealing with tren cuz too much at once will have harsh effects on your body.

If you home brew you are injecting 75mg's a day effectivly.( but if you are saying that 75 mg's injected does not yeild 75 mg's Tren in your system, or its a 1/4 of what an anal insertion would yeild then I say ...Bullshit) So how do you do the math to get 75 mg's a day- analy. Oraly they say maybe 30% absorbed so 10 pellets chewed up "could" yeild 60mg's Tren. but you cant times 30% by 4 cuz you end up with over 100 percent.

Then again I doubt that the 4 times absorption rate is 100% absorprtion rate. As if I shoved 4 pellets up my ass a day I am on 80 mg's Tren a day?????

And even if you did get 100% absorption, GreenGoblin on your plan you are taking 80mg's of tren every 3 days....That is not enough in my opinion.

I would have to guess 4 to 5 pellets a day cuz there is no way you will achieve 100% absorption...

Any thoughts on the proper anal dose of Fina pellets????
 
I found his error. it is in the way the study reads.

it states "The research team compared 1) inserting one 200 mg trenbalone acetate pellet per 200 kg heifer weight "

it should read "The research team compared 1) inserting one 200 mg trenbalone acetate dose per 200 kg heifer weight

he assumed from the study that one pellet contained 200mgs of tren while it is in fact 10 pellets. So now he needs to shove I believe 25 pellets analy.
 
So let me guess this straight? Inserting 4 pellets every 3 days would be about the same as 70mg ed injected? Or would you inject every 3 days, then every 4, then every 3, then every 4, etc.?

I am also weary of injecting a homemade brew into my body. When are you planning on starting? Please keep us posted bro! I am thinking about a possible fina cycle in about 5 months or so and would be very interested in your results.

Only bad thing about this is if this becomes popular, the stereotype of bodybuilders liking things put up their ass will have a bit of truth to it;)

Also wanted to ask, I remember earlier in the thread it was mentioned that this would be less harsh on one's system, is there anything to back this up and by less "harsh" what does that mean? Less androgenic side effects? Less stress on kidneys and liver?
 
McBane said:
So let me guess this straight? Inserting 4 pellets every 3 days would be about the same as 70mg ed injected? Or would you inject every 3 days, then every 4, then every 3, then every 4, etc.?

4 pellets is 80 mg's Tren, so there is no way it is as effective as injecting 70mg's ED. 70mg's ED is converted and is 70 mg's Tren in your system ED.

Analy inserting pellets requires break down and absorption and I doubt the absorption is 100% even if it is 4 times as effective as implanting in a cows ear.

So my guess is 4 to 5 pellets a day for the anal theroy to get close to 75 mg's Tren in your system. I could be way off, at 5 pellets you may only get 20 mg's, or you may get all 80 mg's.....

How do we know?
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##spiderbaby## said:
Hes going to need to analy insert at least 12 pellets every 3-4 days. his calculations are off.
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so at 12 pellets or 240 mg's Tren....shoved up your ass....what if.... it converted at 60% absorption in Green Goblins 5 to 8 hour time frame...you will be runnin 145 mg's Tren, HARSH.

And where did we go from ed or eod injections to twice a week???? It does not matter how you take it it needs to be Every day...in my opinion.
 
JayBro said:


so at 12 pellets or 240 mg's Tren....shoved up your ass....what if.... it converted at 60% absorption in Green Goblins 5 to 8 hour time frame...you will be runnin 145 mg's Tren, HARSH.

And where did we go from ed or eod injections to twice a week???? It does not matter how you take it it needs to be Every day...in my opinion.
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Correct again! :D I assumed, in error, that the tren would be dispersed throught the 3-4 day period. Of course this is not true. I believe tren has a half life of 3 days and that at the time of absorption is when it has 80% of it potency only to drop off from there over the next two days. So he would be taking 145mg of tren at absorption so 115mg at peak absorption rate with the remaining 30mg over the next two days.
I think he just assumed that during the half life of a drug the levels dwindle at a constant rate which is untrue and I forgot.

So four pills shoved up your ass ED for 2 months. :p :bawling:

I'm with BOUNCER now as well. If there was a signifigant gain, then and only then would I consider it. Now that we see that there is not unless we are missing something I will "stick to injections" as well! :D

-good night all
 
I'm curious as to why you would have to shove the fina pellets up your arse ed? I thought he said it would only needed to be taken twice weekly. As you said the half-life was about every 3 days.

Does anyone have access to equipment that might be able to test how much tren is absorbed into their system (although I understand this would vary person to person, where the pellet was placed, etc. but it would probably be pretty close person to person). This may be the only way to see how effective it might be, but I am unsure how hard this would be and whether this may be plausible for any of the members, that is members who are willing to take it in the ass :eek2:
 
I don't the science behind fina pellets so take it easy on me..

but they were not designed to taken this way, right? I mean, the pellets were designed to be used with an implant gun. When we brew Fina we are removing some of the glue, binders and other substances, right? Will the pellets dissolve in the rectum? Could collen cancer be a possible risk?
 
the truth is we have no clue how many pellets he will need to shove up his ass nor do we know the frequency. i say let him at it so he can be our guinea pig. :mommakin:
 
Alright, it seems my dosage calculations are the topic of some debate. Let me try to explain my reasoning. First, the Kansas study revealed that the AUC was higher, not the peak plasma concentrations. Also, the study compared trenbalone administration by suppository and by INTRAMUSCULAR INJECTION (not subdermal). Next, the half life of trenbalone acetate is two days, so after three days, you still have approximately 33% unconverted trenbalone in your system when you take the following dose. Your plasma levels should remain constant over time. Finally, this is my first cycle of trenbalone and I do not want to overdo it. Certainly, some one more experienced might want to use more. But to put the matter to rest, I can take a couple of timed blood draws and have the trenbalone concentrations I am achieving measured by HPLC. Easy to do.

Next, the pellets will fully dissolve in 2-3 hours and I expect a full 90-95% absorption by 5 hours (based on the pharmacokinetics of other suppositories). Not too bad, I think.

One final benefit... the friend who turned me onto trenbalone takes IM injections ED and has alot of soreness. I have experienced no adverse side effects.

I will keep you posted.
 
When someone decided to break down fina to inject there were a lot of unknowns then to. I read an artical posted recently by an expert that said fina is useless. I imagine a lot of you read it to. I hear a few saying it won't work but, with no documentation to prove it won't. Kind of like people saying man would never fly. This might not work but it might also. If it does it could mean no converted fina laying around, no ed shots, less waste of product, and a more stable blood titer of tren. I think GG is doing an experiment that could affect a lot of users. Karma bro. Thanks for being willing to try new things in an effort to benefit all of us.
 
Nathan said:
Alien Amp Pharm is an expert on cramming things up the ol' poop-shoot so let's wait for his reply on this matter.

Also, Alien Amp Pharm has a feces fetish. He told me.
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Ha ha ha, very funny, but actually the only things I've ever had up my rectum is the doctors fingers during a prostate exam and your sister's tongue!:licker:

I am, however, interested in doing this method if great results are shown by our hero Green Goblin. I think I might do the anal AND injections though - just to mix it up some.

:alien:
 
What sort of strength gains would one presumably get from the first cycle of trenbalone acetate? How much size, really? I am compiling all of these statistics for my "experiment". I am going to talk to my friend who talked me into trenbalone (also his first cycle) and monitor his IM-related gains, as well.
 
Did you have bloodwork done prior to the cycle and will you have some done post cycle? I am interested in whether or not this change in method might effect how harsh fina is on one's system.
 
after not looking forward to cooking up and injecting ED a friend and i brainstormed and also came to this idea....we had excellent results by breaking up 4 pellets (80mg) while they are in the gel cap and then shoving them up there...sure its not the straightest thing we've done but it fucking WORKS!!! no soreness or anything...we only shoved it 1/2 a fingers length so we probably didn't get the fullest absorbtion but if i ever do it again i will try that...
 
What is the deal with you guys?

You guys go though tough workouts, but you can't put a little 23guage needle in you muscle once a day? :confused:

And mixing fina is easy..... a lot easier than finding a way to stick something up your ass.

Also, I can't think that sticking fina pellets in your colon week in and week out can be good for that area of the colon.
 
|NTRAMUSCULAR said:
after not looking forward to cooking up and injecting ED a friend and i brainstormed and also came to this idea....we had excellent results by breaking up 4 pellets (80mg) while they are in the gel cap and then shoving them up there...sure its not the straightest thing we've done but it fucking WORKS!!! no soreness or anything...we only shoved it 1/2 a fingers length so we probably didn't get the fullest absorbtion but if i ever do it again i will try that...
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You shoved fina up your friends ass?:eek2:
 
|NTRAMUSCULAR said:
after not looking forward to cooking up and injecting ED a friend and i brainstormed and also came to this idea....we had excellent results by breaking up 4 pellets (80mg) while they are in the gel cap and then shoving them up there...sure its not the straightest thing we've done but it fucking WORKS!!! no soreness or anything...we only shoved it 1/2 a fingers length so we probably didn't get the fullest absorbtion but if i ever do it again i will try that...
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LOL, your post and your screen name create an oxymoron. Maybe you should change your screen name to INTRAANAL. LOL!
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:


LOL, your post and your screen name create an oxymoron. Maybe you should change your screen name to INTRAANAL. LOL!
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No shit! This whole thing reminds me of Lunatic, the guy who injected roids directly into his asshole.
 
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