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Better way to take fina

Good post!

Definately one of the more interesting and potentially ground-breaking theories that a bro has taken it upon (or in this case, 'into') himself to test.

I have a few questions and suggestions, however. Somebody had mentioned the possibility of creating your own suppository rather than simply (and at this point crudely) shoving fina pellets deep into your rectum. I'd think that trying to put 4 small pellets that far up would be an inconvenience. Why couldn't a person simply crush the correct dosage of pellets into powder and cap that powder along with another substance, whether it be vit-b12 or Tylers liver detox or whatever, and use the gel cap as your suppository? Furthermore, would it be wise, improve absorbtion, or even be possible to suspend the tren in an oil base (same as when converting to an inj) and try to cap the oil? Maybe inject the oil into a bio-friendly capsule similar to what's used for holding flax seed oil?

For anyone who's knowledgeable about the rate of absorbion anally, what is more easily and readily absorbed by the body; powder or oil?

Green Goblin, keep us updated on any gains and/or sides you encounter. This may be a VERY effective way of taking tren and, even more interestingly, may also be an excellent way to avoid legal issues of having converted tren-syringes-needles laying around. Suppositories are inconspicuous and unlikely to be suspected of being a vehicle for steroids.

- Judoman
 
GinNJuice said:
What is the deal with you guys?

You guys go though tough workouts, but you can't put a little 23guage needle in you muscle once a day? :confused:

And mixing fina is easy..... a lot easier than finding a way to stick something up your ass.

Also, I can't think that sticking fina pellets in your colon week in and week out can be good for that area of the colon.
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I just don't like the idea of injecting a home brew. Not the most sterile conditions, sure it works out well for most but I just don't feel comfortable injecting a home brew.
 
hmm? let me see I'm afraid of stickin a niddle becaouse it was home made, but I'm goign to go a head and just stick pellets in my ass instead? good thinking! hey doctor I have a lump in my but or hey doctor I'm shitting blood and glue hmm? which one should I do?
 
RICOSUAVE said:
hmm? let me see I'm afraid of stickin a niddle becaouse it was home made, but I'm goign to go a head and just stick pellets in my ass instead? good thinking! hey doctor I have a lump in my but or hey doctor I'm shitting blood and glue hmm? which one should I do?
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exactly!
 
this is not new......however!

Glad to see someone like huck give an endorsement here. This is not a new idea, but godbless greengoblin for this approach. The concept of suppository meds is very well known, and very successful. There seems to be this stigma about using this route of admin. I will bet that down the road injecting will be old school, and that people like greengoblin will be forgotten as pioneers of new routes of admin. Transdermal does work, however not for everyone, but everybody wants to jump on it as the pussy route. Injecting has become a rite of passage, you are not a man unless you stick the steel. This is what we are all about, finding better ways to do what we do. I hope all of you here that have a problem with sticking something up your butt never get hemmorhoids, you will suffer until you can humble yourself to ram the silver bullet. Open your minds bros!
 
Originally posted by RICOSUAVE
hmm? let me see I'm afraid of stickin a niddle becaouse it was home made, but I'm goign to go a head and just stick pellets in my ass instead? good thinking! hey doctor I have a lump in my but or hey doctor I'm shitting blood and glue hmm? which one should I do?
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Put your fears to rest, RICOSUAVE, Finaplix-H brand trenbalone acetate pellets do not contain any "glue", nor is a reasonable number of pellets likely to result in blood in the stool or "a lump in my ass". I do not doubt that if you shove 20 pellets up your ass at once, problems may follow. This method of administration is simply safer and more acceptable to SOME (certainly not all). I know alot of guys who opted out of AS because ED injections were not for them. SO, chill a little and let those who wish to "pack fina" do so without having to listen to you chatter on uninformed!

-GG
 
Attn GG and board Chemists..

The summary I read didn't say the exact concentration from the suppository, nor did it detail the specific qauntitative difference between the peak concentrations of the suppository group Vs the injection group. I noticed that the definition of 'pharmacologically effective' was also not explained; out of 100mg, is 75% considered effective? Is 50% or 80%? I don't know.

My question to the chemists on this board is this: if one were to attempt to recreate the experiment using humans, would it be more effective to break down the fina pellets into as pure a form of trenbolone acetate as possible before forming them into suppositories? Would the lack of binders/fillers have a favorable impact on the absorbtion of the hormone? If one were to use a kit to extract the tren, would oil-suspended tren be as readily absorbed rectally (once mixed with a glycerin base to form the suppositories) as tren crystals? Finally, how would one go about breaking down fina pellets into a pure, crystalized/powder form of hormone if that in fact would be more readily absorbed?

- Judoman
 
Making the suppositories, I am not sure about and would love to hear some ideas. As far as getting the tren crystals, thats easy. Dissolve them in methanol, filter out the binders, and then let the methanol evaporate..tren is left at the bottom.

Now who knows anyting about suppository making?
 
I have friends who take Ecstasy up the ass. I swear I'm not being a "smartass" :) when I tell you this is called a "BOOTY BUMP!" Really! I've never tried this, but my friends who have done it say that it makes for very rapid entry of the drug into the bloodstream, much more quickly then if the pill is swallowed, and more intense too. Maybe it's because there are so many blood vessles "down there" to absorb it.

Anyway, good luck. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of results you get.
 
ha ha :FRlol: I second that, hey Green G I have a cousing that can give you some packing tips, he have been doing it for several years now, his name is Ramon ( very sweet guy and very sencitive) and he have beeing sticking just about anyting you can think off right up his herchy highway, I mean pens, bannanas, peaches, small aninamals, ig animalls, large pills , small pills...., let me know he is dying to meet you.
 
I told a friend about this and he tried it yesterday. No it was not me I have no hangups and have nothing to hide.
Anyways, he placed 4 pellets up his ass last night around 9PM. Today he calls me at work around 3PM and asks if it is OK for him to take a dump. I told him yes because it is supposed to disolve completely in 8 hrs or so.
Anyway he called later to tell me that all 4 pellets were staring back at him in the toilet looking as good as new. He did use Component TH and not Finaplix-H but I do not think this should be an issue.
Just thought I'd pass this on for anyone who is/was interested in fina packin.
LL
 
I'm more worried about the "colon cancer" issue.

Suppositories are effective, but rarely used for 40+ consecutive days.


Have an update Green Goblin?

It would be a painless and easy way to take fina. If it's safe.

I like the idea of crystalizing tren and combining it with glycerol to make real fina suppositories..
 
Twitched said:
I'm more worried about the "colon cancer" issue.

Suppositories are effective, but rarely used for 40+ consecutive days.


Have an update Green Goblin?

It would be a painless and easy way to take fina. If it's safe.

I like the idea of crystalizing tren and combining it with glycerol to make real fina suppositories..
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My concerns exactly Twitched, I was just thinking about the colon cancer issue today. It would be pretty hard to "test" whether or not this is an issue as it is a fairly new idea so we'd have to wait like 10-15 years to really see. How complicated would the crystalizing tren and combining it with glycerol be?
 
First, RICOSUAVE... Kiss my fina-packed ass! :mad: :mad:
Your attempt at humor falls miserably short and your comments are absolutely meaningless, have no merit and add nothing to the discussion thread. They are a waste of the pixels on my screen. I am sorry you are not mature enough to accept that perhaps there might be a better way to administer trenbalone acetate. I also pity your lack of self-assurance where your own masculinity and/or sexuality are concerned... taking a suppository does not make one a homosexual (or a sexual deviant, as you cousin obviously is, by your description).

Now, after a week, I can tell a difference. Granted not alot, but measurable. I have gone up 25 lbs on my bench press max. Other exercises have seen similar increases. My arms are 1.5" larger in diameter. I will continue to update you. I will post before and after photos when appropriate.

I have not had a problem with non-dissolved pellets (that I have noticed anyway). But perhaps making "gentler" suppositories would be better! I would not know how to go about doing that. I am open to suggestions, though.

GG
 
FLmuscles said:
I have friends who take Ecstasy up the ass. I swear I'm not being a "smartass" :) when I tell you this is called a "BOOTY BUMP!" Really! I've never tried this, but my friends who have done it say that it makes for very rapid entry of the drug into the bloodstream, much more quickly then if the pill is swallowed, and more intense too. Maybe it's because there are so many blood vessles "down there" to absorb it.

Anyway, good luck. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of results you get.
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I know of a person who has to take it this way because everytime they take it oraly he throws up. Hey what ever works!
 
Sorry Goblin, but I'm calling bullshit on those supposed numbers you just put up. I don't give a shit what kind of gear you're on, NO ONE can put 1.5" on their arms in a week(unless you shoot synthol by the gallon). And the 25 lb. bench is a little suspect too. I think I'll now stop reading your posts.
 
Goblin, I respect what you are trying to do, and have been following this thread closely but...

I must agree with LargeNCharge's post above.

It is NOT possible to gain 1.5" in your arms in one week,
I'm sorry, but it's not.

That is, assuming both measurements were taken cold, as they are supposed to be.

I MIGHT be able to believe a 25lb increase in strength in one week...but again,
that is highly unlikely.
 
I'm starting to think he has been bullshitting us all along based on the 1.5" thing..I'd hate to see what you think is huge gains if that's " Granted not alot, but measurable.".
 
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First, RICOSUAVE... Kiss my fina-packed ass!
Your attempt at humor falls miserably short and your comments are absolutely meaningless, have no merit and add nothing to the discussion thread. They are a waste of the pixels on my screen. I am sorry you are not mature enough to accept that perhaps there might be a better way to administer trenbalone acetate. I also pity your lack of self-assurance where your own masculinity and/or sexuality are concerned... taking a suppository does not make one a homosexual (or a sexual deviant, as you cousin obviously is, by your description).

Now, after a week, I can tell a difference. Granted not alot, but measurable. I have gone up 25 lbs on my bench press max. Other exercises have seen similar increases. My arms are 1.5" larger in diameter. I will continue to update you. I will post before and after photos when appropriate.

I have not had a problem with non-dissolved pellets (that I have noticed anyway). But perhaps making "gentler" suppositories would be better! I would not know how to go about doing that. I am open to suggestions, though.

GG
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First of all it was a joke, if you can take it up the ass, you should be able to take a joke. finnally as for your results: the 25lbs on your max bech it is possible, but there could be lots of variances wich you may or may not have taken in consideration such as when was the last time you max in you bench , what was you diet the day you bench and many others. Now as for you arms, being 1.5 inch bigger, you should be cearfull when you post such results, here in this board there are lots of gurus and inteligent people with high degress of educatation ( I.e they will not let you get away with BS, HENCE" YOU WILL BE MADE FUN OF EVEN MORE"). For insntance I'm 259 lbs and 23 inch arms, believe me I know how long it takes to grow an inch, do you know how long it takes? A long a fucking time and lost of efforts( even if you are a hard gainer such as my self, I gain 20 pounds just by smelling AAS-- BY THE WAY -FIGURE OF SPEACH), now you saying that you grew 1.5 inch in one week of taking it up the ass makes you credibillity down the drains( post your stack -and pleass don't even try to tell you are only doing tren--I will be obligated to come back here for another smak down on you) and I belive I'm not the only one who thinks that. It will be and understatemen to say you results are just plane and simply inacurate!!!
Let me know if you find that pot of gold at the end of your rainbow brother!!!
 
Now, after a week, I can tell a difference. Granted not alot, but measurable. I have gone up 25 lbs on my bench press max. Other exercises have seen similar increases. My arms are 1.5" larger in diameter
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Sorry, no way in hell unless you are taking arol @300mg/day and eating five bags of potato chips a day. Your measurements are flawed, if you try to back them up you will look like an idiot.
 
Well, so much for this idea. IMO, this thread has now been shitted
on. 1"5 in a week? C"mon. Guess I will have to consider every
day injects after all.
g
 
Green Goblin said:

Now, after a week, I can tell a difference. Granted not alot, but measurable. I have gone up 25 lbs on my bench press max. Other exercises have seen similar increases. My arms are 1.5" larger in diameter. I will continue to update you. I will post before and after photos when appropriate.
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LOL..... you probably had a few people going.... until you posted that.

....... I know you were bullshit from the begining, since this is your first and only thread. :lmao:
 
I think his thought was sincere but he never followed thru on it. After all, it is possible to absorb tren like a suppository. He planted the seed to see if someone else would try it first. Now it sounds like he is promoting his suggestion farther to make it even more enticing for others to try it first. BUT, his supposed results sound outlandish and may have killed this idea (that still no one has tried to date that we know of).

that's just MHO.
 
Maybe he meant to say that his anus was 1.5" bigger in diameter.
 
Whatever, guys...give me a break. I am new to this business and I made an honest mistake. :o You are right, 1.5" is not possible... unless you measure right after an intense workout and compare to a cold, pre-juiced circumference. That's what I did. :confused: Sorry for the uproar. In my excitement over the "pump"and my naive expectations, I measured right away and didn't fully consider all aspects of the data I set forth. As a scientist, I am embarrassed to admit such a mistake. Publication of hastily analyzed data will get you "hung out to dry". Again, sorry... so to update, I AM stronger (but why? trenbalone? or just starting to workout after a long layoff?, but I cannot honestly make size gain statements. My wife says my upper body seems generally larger, but that, I admit, is very subjective.

Sorry 'bout that!

GG
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:
I think his thought was sincere but he never followed thru on it. After all, it is possible to absorb tren like a suppository. He planted the seed to see if someone else would try it first. Now it sounds like he is promoting his suggestion farther to make it even more enticing for others to try it first. BUT, his supposed results sound outlandish and may have killed this idea (that still no one has tried to date that we know of).

that's just MHO.
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Besides myself, only one person I KNOW of has tried.
GG
 
GinNJuice said:



LOL..... you probably had a few people going.... until you posted that.

....... I know you were bullshit from the begining, since this is your first and only thread. :lmao:
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Whatever. think what you want...:finger: But make sure to read the post which explains the mistaken number... What I have here might be of some benefit to someone. In other words, bite me!

GG
 
adoniscomplex said:
Goblin, I respect what you are trying to do, and have been following this thread closely but...

I must agree with LargeNCharge's post above.

It is NOT possible to gain 1.5" in your arms in one week,
I'm sorry, but it's not.

That is, assuming both measurements were taken cold, as they are supposed to be.

I MIGHT be able to believe a 25lb increase in strength in one week...but again,
that is highly unlikely.
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You guys are ruthless... check my post re: my mistake
 
RICOSUAVE said:
quote:
First of all it was a joke, if you can take it up the ass, you should be able to take a joke. finnally as for your results: the 25lbs on your max bech it is possible, but there could be lots of variances wich you may or may not have taken in consideration such as when was the last time you max in you bench , what was you diet the day you bench and many others. Now as for you arms, being 1.5 inch bigger, you should be cearfull when you post such results, here in this board there are lots of gurus and inteligent people with high degress of educatation ( I.e they will not let you get away with BS, HENCE" YOU WILL BE MADE FUN OF EVEN MORE"). For insntance I'm 259 lbs and 23 inch arms, believe me I know how long it takes to grow an inch, do you know how long it takes? A long a fucking time and lost of efforts( even if you are a hard gainer such as my self, I gain 20 pounds just by smelling AAS-- BY THE WAY -FIGURE OF SPEACH), now you saying that you grew 1.5 inch in one week of taking it up the ass makes you credibillity down the drains( post your stack -and pleass don't even try to tell you are only doing tren--I will be obligated to come back here for another smak down on you) and I belive I'm not the only one who thinks that. It will be and understatemen to say you results are just plane and simply inacurate!!!
Let me know if you find that pot of gold at the end of your rainbow brother!!!
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Sorry about the disparaging remark, but really, all of your posts regarding this topic have been along the same lines. It got old, but I should have been more civilized. My apologies.

Insofar as you analysis of my "growth" is concerned, you are correct, as are many others on here. Please referenced my earlier post about this topic. As far as strength gains, they are real enough, but the source is not immediately clear to me. I mention in the aforementioned post that I have not worked out for a long time and the "max" I could bench starting this cycle IS less than I used to do, so I don't know for sure whether the trenbalone is responsible or if I am just "recovering" lost strength.

Third, I cannot say that I know what it takes to develop 23" arms... YET. I will let you know. And kudos to you. I hope I have the fortitude to work as hard as you obviously have to reach the point you are at now. I never intimated any disrespect to your "professional abilities".

Finally, my "stack" is in fact ONLY trenbalone, as this is my first cycle of ANY AAS. DO with that what you will...

GG
 
GG, can you just clear up for me how many pellets your sticking up there? and how far?
 
Green Goblin said:
Whatever, guys...give me a break. I am new to this business and I made an honest mistake. :o You are right, 1.5" is not possible... unless you measure right after an intense workout and compare to a cold, pre-juiced circumference. That's what I did. :confused: Sorry for the uproar. In my excitement over the "pump"and my naive expectations, I measured right away and didn't fully consider all aspects of the data I set forth. As a scientist, I am embarrassed to admit such a mistake. Publication of hastily analyzed data will get you "hung out to dry". Again, sorry... so to update, I AM stronger (but why? trenbalone? or just starting to workout after a long layoff?, but I cannot honestly make size gain statements. My wife says my upper body seems generally larger, but that, I admit, is very subjective.

Sorry 'bout that!

GG
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O.K., now lets continue with this experiment. Will you be posting any pics following the cycle?
 
Sticking steroids into your butt works, bit I think I have to disappoint you.
There´s Testosterone propionate suppositories available in german pharmacies for a long time now. Users report them to be effective, but only if the amount you would inject is doubled using the suppositories. I don´t see how tren acetate could be any different from test prop when it comes to absorption rates and efficiency.
It won´t work as good as injections.
 
gainerxxl said:
Sticking steroids into your butt works, bit I think I have to disappoint you.
There´s Testosterone propionate suppositories available in german pharmacies for a long time now. Users report them to be effective, but only if the amount you would inject is doubled using the suppositories. I don´t see how tren acetate could be any different from test prop when it comes to absorption rates and efficiency.
It won´t work as good as injections.
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thats possible but tren isn't test prop so i guess we'll see in the end
 
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GG we all here to learn from each other, you must admit to the fact that a person that try to use AS the way you are proposing it is in fact a bit radical to say the least , also funny as well, but I owe an apology as well, good luck bro!
 
RICOSUAVE said:
GG we all here to learn from each other, you must admit to the fact that a person that try to use AS the way you are proposing it is in fact a bit radical to say the least , also funny as well, but I owe an apology as well, good luck bro!
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Thanks. I will keep you informed.

GG
 
I have talked about this with a friend and now he wants to try it. He wants to fina pack and stack it with his Test. Yikes, I was just kind of joking about it. I am going to tell him to wait, till we see what happens with GG. Good luck man, and keeps us informed of your progress if any.

Later!
 
Hey GG

Could you post the study? What is the title of the paper? Also could you help me out with J IREPR RES? What does it stand for?... I haven't been able to find it anywhere. Thanks, and good luck with your experiment.
 
Hey, im down for a lot of shit in the interst of science, but my anus is a one-way street bro! Sorry. If I wont shove pills up my ass to get a better roll, there is NO WAY im gonna be shovin pellets in my ass to get a little bigger!!!
 
Why would shoving pellets up the ass cause colon cancer?
Its just the hormone plus binders like methylcellulose, they wont give you cancer.....dont worry about it.
 
Constant contact to an area of skin by many chemicals or substances can cause cancer. You can read countless tests done on lab rats where chronic exposure to what are considered harmless substances cause cancer.
 
This was taken from T-mags S-Files:


Q: Okay, don't laugh, but this question has been asked many times on various boards on the net and never answered sufficiently. Could Finaplix implants be used like suppositories, or with suppositories, to achieve a good effect? Trying to mix it with prop glycol or DMSO is a pain (literally). Thanks for your thoughts.

A: Actually, there have been quite a few steroids that, for all their effectiveness, would probably best be relegated to the area of which you speak! Actually, orally ingested Trenbolone acetate proved to be weakly effective in some veterinary trials on pigs. Therefore, it can probably be absorbed to some degree via the suppository route. However, I would guess that this would still prove quite ineffective. The problem you have is that the other ingredients of the implants will make it hard to dissolve Finaplix entirely and that the makeshift carriers like DMSO, combined with any leftover residue, would most likely cause irritation problems or worse in this sensitive area. There probably are quite a few steroids that could be absorbed in this manner, but to tell you the truth, without access to the pure material, devoid of any fillers, the low absorption rate and possible negative side effects don't make it worth considering.


I gather from this that you would still need some kind of carrier to get the drug into your system.
Do you intend to squirt DMSO up there along with the pillls ??
 
Shit are the toxins your body does not want (obviosly:D ) dmso would open that barrier and allow them to reenter the blood stream dmso would be a very bad decision in my opinion....try crushing the pellets and sealing them in an empty gel cap...don't worry the gel cap will dissolve very easily
 
does J. IREPR RES = The Journal of Irreproducible Results? This is a scientific satire magazine, NOT a journal of any sort. I still have not been able to locate this article, if indeed it does actually exist. This "journal" is now up to volume 47, not 15, and the page numbers are not continuous but restart in each issue.

So Green Goblin, is this the journal you referenced? Or just a coincidence or what?

Please respond.
 
|NTRAMUSCULAR said:
Shit are the toxins your body does not want (obviosly:D ) dmso would open that barrier and allow them to reenter the blood stream dmso would be a very bad decision in my opinion....try crushing the pellets and sealing them in an empty gel cap...don't worry the gel cap will dissolve very easily
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Very good point about using DMSO being a REALLY bad idea. This all-anal-cycle isn't looking very attractive.
 
IT DOES NOT WORK!

I have a friend who is afraid of pins so he gave it a try. It did not work the pills were never absorbed and they looked just like new in the toilet (this was after 12-18hrs)
Now, he is eating them and can feel them "working" as he puts it.
IMO the injection is the only way to go.
LL
 
Evidently a few people have done this before.

http://www.anabolicsupply.com/test_propionate.htm


As for frequent injections: The Testosterone Berco Suppositories by the German company Funke can help. This is quite an un-usual testosterone compound since these are suppositories. The suppositories contain 40 mg Testosterone propionate and are in-troduced into the body through the rectum. This form of intake also has an additional advantage. The substance Testosterone pro-pionate is reabsorbed very rapidly through the intestine. For a package with 18 suppositories the price on the black market is about $35
 
There is no way I would use it this guy is doing it. The stuff is cheap just buy more Fina and either make a homebrew or go this way:


Q: I recently got 300 Finaplix-H cattle implant pellets. I've read articles by Dan Duchaine and others that discuss how to make this into an injectable or separate out the trenbolone acetate. What do you think is the best way to use Finaplix-H?




A: For most people (99% of the readers), the best way to use Finaplix-H is to simply get a mortar and pestle, grind the pellets into a fine powder, add DMSO, pour it into a clean container, and stick it in the refrigerator. It should be used topically and applied, preferably, once per day in the morning (but never later than 3-4pm to minimize HPTA inhibition).

Trenbolone, on a milligram-per-milligram basis, is about three times as anabolic as testosterone. So if you were going to use 600 mg of testosterone per week, you'd only need to use 200 mg or so of trenbolone per week. This works out to around 30 mg of trenbolone per day. However, when used topically in DMSO, only about half of the trenbolone "makes it through" (much is caught in the stratum corneum). So, to make up for the relatively poor absorption, you'd want to use around a total of 60 mg of topical trenbolone per day. Each pellet contains 20 mg of trenbolone, so you'd need three per day.

I'd suggest grinding up 150 pellets and mixing in 100 ml of DMSO. This will give you a concentration of 30 mg/ml and you'd want to use 2 ml of this solution per day for 50 days. DMSO can be somewhat irritating to the skin and, of course, you have to contend with garlic breath odor, but that's the breaks. Some people might be allergic or sensitive to the binders and coloring in the pellets, so I'd suggest a "patch test" first by putting a few drops of the solution on your skin and rubbing it in to see what happens.

It's imperative that you keep your solution refrigerated when not in use and out of direct sunlight, as trenbolone tends to degrade easily. Finaplix-H pellets (and, thus, your solution) should be pale to moderate yellow in color. If either has a "brownish tinge," your product has degraded, is probably useless, and should be discarded. Using your pellets in the way that I've described would allow you to undergo two cycles of 50 days each. The pellets cost about $60 for a carton of 100, and the mortar and pestle maybe $15. Add $5 for the DMSO, and you'd be buying two good cycles for $200 or so. This is about as inexpensive as it gets these days.




http://www.t-mag.com/html/body_70bs.html



I think this guy got tire of sticking shit up his ass, or I hope he did.
 
LivinLarger said:
I think he is sitting back laughing at those people he convinced to Pack pellets up their asses.
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I think You're right:D Comon people. Read through this whole thread and tell me it isn't a joke. I wonder how many gullible people he convinced to shove fina up their ass. It is pretty funny though and theoretically sound, which is why so many fell for it.

-Spidey
 
Well, at first, this sounded like a novel idea to myself. Honestly, having to shove pellets up my ass is far more attractive than developing scar tissue or an abcess from every day injections. However, I do not feel that nearly enough research has been put into this to warrant expirimentation on a human being.

To me, claimed results and speculation based on data gathered from animals will never be enough to risk the health of not only my colon, but potentially my entire digestive tract and possibly prostate.

I would like to see some extensive bloodwork done to determine GGs absorbtion rate. Of course this will vary from case to case, but this way, we can at least ballpark a necessary dose for future users to attempt.

Honestly, if you are willing to risk your health by being a guinea pig, please gather conclusive data that will help keep future users from either hurting themselves or recommending this to someone who will hurt themselves.

In the meantime, I have gotten my Fina kits, and will be brewing my own tren. But I do look forward to seeing statistics on this expiriment.

Good luck!
 
creep said:
I don't the science behind fina pellets so take it easy on me..

but they were not designed to taken this way, right? I mean, the pellets were designed to be used with an implant gun. When we brew Fina we are removing some of the glue, binders and other substances, right? Will the pellets dissolve in the rectum? Could collen cancer be a possible risk?
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Actually Creep, I have to rebut, and disagree with you bro...

At the same time respecting and understanding what you are trying to say..

let me explain my thinking..


I think the via. suppository route is sound, although not all to "appealing to most," a sound way. Medically it is possible, and absorbtion is known as taken very good there for medications. Now, As far as "fina" is concerned, I disagreed w/ you since the Fina implant is made to be inserted behind the cattle's ear, and made to slowly dissapate into the bloodstream. As far as I know, it sits at that site subcuntaneously slowly melting away into the bloodstream. I think this would be a sound way for guys who could perfect it, and make it hastle free. Ifit could be put into easy suppositories, and taken before bed, it would be avery covienient way using this compound. very little effort needed, and elimates a lot of thre work involved with prep of fina as we know it. Daily dosing would be more appealing, w/ fina for guys who limit injections, and saw the supp. way as a little easier given once accepted. I like injecting, but would not rule this method out. As far as I know, I assume one would only need a mortar & pestle, coco butter as a vehicle, and you could place them into suppositories to administer. There are many ways of doing this method, (refridgeration making suppositories) I am curious, and will do more research myself, but very sound.

Not a bad way at all, once you realize the medical bennefits v.s. the social acceptance factor.


Karma Creep though.... respect your viewpoint.
 
Actually if this worked out, it would not to mention save you more $$$ that could be used to buy more Fina, as opposed to kit supplies, and could be a lot less work. At this time, I do love the kits though, but always look and consider new way, and improvements...
 
**This is all the info I could come up with making your own suppositories. May help, and does not seem difficult and time consuming.

It is a legit medical practice. It seems to have a good absorbtion rate, so if it does work better, worth a try.

Here is the the info on the procedure:-----(below article)----------




How to Make Medical Rectal Suppositories
(article from: 1998-2003 ContinuingEducation.com)



Preparation:

Mold Calibration (Preparation of Blanks) for Fusion or Cold Compression

1. Prepare the suppository molds and confirm that the cavities are clean and dry.

2. Obtain and melt sufficient suppository base to fill six to 12 molds.

3. Pour the molds, cool and trim.

4. Remove the suppositories and weigh.

5. Divide the total weight by the number of blank suppositories prepared to obtain the average weight of each suppository for this particular base.

6. Use this weight as the calibrated value for that specific mold using that specific lot of suppository base.

Five different steps involved in the preparation of suppositories include (1) mold preparation, (2) base preparation, (3) preparation of the active drug, (4) mixing and pouring, and (5) cooling and finishing.

1. Mold Preparation:

Molds should be clean and dry at the start. Good suppository bases, if prepared and heated properly and if the mold is clean and dry, should require no lubricants. However, if it is absolutely necessary to use a lubricant, the molds should be lubricated properly. If a water soluble base is used, light mineral oil is a good lubricant. If an oil soluble base is used, glycerin or propylene glycol is a good lubricant. It is critical to use only enough lubricant to provide a very thin layer on the walls of the mold. Excessive lubricant will pool at the tip of the mold and result in deformed suppositories. Inadequate lubricant will result in suppositories that are difficult to remove. The lubricant can be applied by spraying or by using a cloth to which the lubricant has been added and wiping the molds. Some pharmacists have reported satisfactorily using a commercial vegetable spray for mold lubrication. The mold should be equilibrated at room temperature for the pouring procedure.

2. Base Preparation

The preparation of the base will be determined by the type of base that will be used. Cocoa butter must be grated for hand molding and may be grated if desired for the fusion method for melting on a water bath. If fusion is used, caution must be observed to not exceed about 34-35°C to prevent the formation of an unstable polymorph of the cocoa butter base, which may result in formation of the alpha form resulting in a low melting point suppository that would melt at room temperature and may stick to the mold. Cocoa butter and fatty acid bases should be melted only to form a fluid, mixable, pourable liquid that is still creamy-hazy in appearance.

Polyethylene glycol bases can be melted using a water bath or the judicious use of direct heat to a temperature of approximately 55-60°C. PEG bases are very heat stable, but should not be heated excessively. They should be gently heated to just a few degrees above their melting range.

3. Preparation of the Active Drug

The drug should be comminuted to a uniform, small particle size to ensure even distribution of the drug throughout the base and to minimize settling in the melt. The best source of ingredients for the extemporaneous compounding of suppositories is the pure drug powder. If pure powder is unavailable, commercial dosage forms such as injections, tablets, capsules, etc. can be used. If these dosage forms are used, the presence of any excipients must be considered as to the influence they might have on the physicochemical properties and stability of the finished product, since it is rarely feasible to extract the active drug from the dosage forms.

In general, a maximum quantity of excipient to be incorporated is about 30% of the blank weight of the suppository. For example, for a 2 mL disposable mold, the maximum excipient would be about 600 mg.

Liquids may occupy too much volume to be easily incorporated and the vehicles may not be compatible with selected suppository bases. Tablets and capsules may contain excessive powder that may result in suppositories that are too brittle. If a large quantity of liquid is to be incorporated into an oily suppository base, it may be necessary to prepare a water-in-oil emulsion. For PEG bases, a higher percent of the higher molecular weight PEGs can be used to accommodate the liquid.

4. Mixing and Pouring

The drug is either mixed directly into the base or is "wetted" prior to incorporation. Mixing can be done using a stirring rod or a magnetic stirring setup. Sufficient time is utilized for the mixing process to obtain a uniform distribution of the drug but not too long to result in either drug or base deterioration. When the melt is ready, it may be poured into the mold, which has been brought to room temperature. A cold or frozen mold should not be used as fractures and fissures may occur throughout the suppository. Starting at one end of the mold, each cavity is slowly filled, being careful not to incorporate air bubbles into the suppository, and a small excess of material allowed to "build up" on the top of the mold and the next cavity is filled, etc. Once pouring is initiated, do not stop the pouring process until all the molds have been filled; this will prevent layering in the suppositories. A 10 mL syringe, or other suitable size, can be filled with the melt and used to fill the molds if one is careful not to let the melt cool too rapidly. The mold should be at room temperature so the melt does not prematurely solidify as it is poured down the sides of the mold cavity. Premature solidification could result in unfilled mold tips and deformed suppositories. If disposable molds are used, PEG melts should be poured at a minimum temperature since some molds may collapse at about 70°C. If the melt is poured around 60°C, this should not occur. Other bases should be kept near their respective melting temperatures.

5. Cooling and Finishing

The molds can be allowed to set for 15-30 minutes at room temperature followed by refrigeration for an additional 30 minutes, if necessary. Excess material is removed from the top of the mold (the back of the suppository). This can be easily accomplished by dipping the blade of a stainless steel spatula in a beaker of warm water and using it to cut off the excess material. This will also serve to place a nice smooth surface on the backside of the suppository. Suppositories can be removed carefully from the molds, packaged and labeled. If the suppository mold is still cool, the suppositories should be slightly contracted which will effect easier removal from the mold. Individual suppositories can be wrapped using foil wrappers, if desired. Wrapping, though not necessary, does present an elegant product to the patient.

Packaging

Suppositories are best individually wrapped or dispensed in the disposable molds in which they are prepared. If suppositories are not packaged properly, they may become deformed, stained, broken or chipped. Foil suppository wrappers are available in various colors for the compounding pharmacist. Wrapped suppositories are usually placed in wide-mouth containers or in slide, folding or partitioned boxes for dispensing to the patient. Suppositories that are dispensed in disposable molds are often placed in cardboard sleeves or plastic bags, labeled and dispensed.

Storage / Labeling

Suppositories must be protected from heat and may be stored in a refrigerator. They should not be frozen. Glycerin and polyethylene glycol-based suppositories should be protected from moisture, as they tend to be hygroscopic.

It is usually a good idea, if the suppositories are wrapped, to add to the label, "Unwrap, moisten and insert.." or "Unwrap and insert..".
 
Green Goblin said:
But remember ROLGOR, one would only need to get the pellet into the top 1/3 of the rectum, or about 13 centimeters, for the benefit of the increased vascularity of the region. Not too bad. In fact, I think one can purchase a tiny suppository insertion device of that size at the local pharmacy or novelty shop.
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I am at a loss for words. This is up there with, "Can I drink winny?" But, if you really think you are on the "cutting edge" of something have at it. Good luck.
 
Not this thread again! EEEEKKKK I have been on the boards since 1996 and the anal fina thread always seems to resurface and never fails to get a rise...
 
IMO This does not seem all that rediculious. Although I have not tried myself, I would. Fina comes in pellets, that we all know taking orally does not do much, or you wind up to use too many. The injection way (I like) is a good way, but with the current heat on the boards/places,...I have doubts if or how long some of these guys will still be around. I hope they will. I do prefer the injection, but would not be apposed to this method, if proved worthy, as alternate. It is simple, cost affective, and safe. All I need to know...It is a legitamite medical practice, and considering the presentation of Fina, I don not think completely out of the question. Now, getting through the inabitions of this route, how this is is taken, is a different story to some. Me, I don't care. As long as there is no pain, I never saw such a problem with this method, as most claim there is. I think it has a "gay association" thingee' going w/ it. Who cares, really?.... Skip the kindergarten bs thinking, and grow up, if you are one who promotes thinking in those terms. Understand it is an alternate means of delivery, for a product/compound in which "we have to come up with alternate way(s) to administer/ deliver this special compound." How is that rediculious? If you look at the implant way, it is not too far off. Difference here, is place absorbed. I figure before bed would be the best time.


I still think myself, it is a good way for administration, worth the effort if someone tried. I would like to hear results. Good luck to whomever tries. (thumbs up)
 
To some ed administration may be handled better this way. (to most)granted they have overcome the social acceptance issues that go along with this way of admin. fina..For guys who want to limit scar tissue buil-up, don't like inj, want to limit their injects, this may be more convienient. I myself enjoy injections, and see no problems, but some guys may just have different needs or preferances. Whatever they may be, this may be a proven second Alt. to injection. Injection, DMSO, work, ...injection the best route now, but this may prove to be a good second, granted someone thried, and posted results.
 
One thing is for sure. Fina pellets do not "melt" in your mouth. I have read about people letting them dissolve under their tongue.(Sublingual) I let two set under my tongue for almost 3 hours and they were the same size as when I put them in. You would have to chew them or crush them up somehow. I don't even know if the acids in my stomach could dissolve these bastards. Ps they do burn a little if you chew them. Just drink some water.
 
Green Goblin said:
Hello all. I just fininshed reading a new study conducted by scientists at the University of Kansas (published in J IREPR RES (2002) 15:1233-1243). The goal of the study was to enhance the absorption of trenbalone acetate, maximizing the weight gain and growth potential of feedlot cattle. Now this is going to sound strange, but it is scientifically sound.

The research team compared 1) inserting one 200 mg trenbalone acetate pellet per 200 kg heifer weight (Finaplix-H) into the rectum of the cattle with 2) direct intramuscular injection of trenbalone acetate, done at 1 mg/kg. The results were amazing! Three-fold higher AUC's were obtained for the suppository form compared to direct injection. (AUC is "area under the curve" for non-pharmacologists -- it is a measurement of a compound in plasma that takes into account both serum concentration AND amount of time the compound is present. The formula for this is c^n X t; concentration raised to n-power X time, where n is Sanford's constant (a little complicated to explain in this message)) The group claims that duration of exposure is as important as peak plasma levels, a common phamarmacologic paradigm. The explaination for this increased exposure is the extreme vascularity of the rectum, especially at the juncture where the rectum joins the colon. The time-released trenbalone was very readily absorbed at this site. Direct intramuscular administration resulted in relatively fast (1 hour) peak plasma concentrations, but clearance of the compound was fast, with a half life of only 284.7 minutes post-peak. The suppository group had a lower, but pharmacologically effective, concentration for an incredible 6.5 days. So the bottom line is this: using this model system, one might predict that using trenbalone pellets as a suppository would give better results than converting it to an injectable form. Humans share the vascularity of the upper rectum. This very convenient route of administration would prevent a possible loss of precious product in the conversion process as well! AND... one would only need to place a couple of pellets up there once a week... and NO MORE DAMN NEEDLES!! I am going to give this thing a try and will update all of you when the results are in.

The Green Goblin
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Dont want to sound rude but 1 pellet does not equal 200 mgs so you would have to put a whole row of pellets in the rectum.As compared to taking like 2.5 ccs injection. I am a ferm believer that the rectum is '' exit " only ordeal but to support you (info wise) in you butt probing, I have heard of people in the club scene putting rolls ( xtc ) in there and rolling 3 times as hard but try to avoid becoming a pain in the rear (literly)
 
seems like an idea mite inject and insert them in my ass 1 day instert 1 day inject just To cut the gayness in half I will start a thread probly in 2 months when I start this unusual cycle by the way I am considering going upto ver high doses of tren per day altho I have only used 200mg of tren enanthate for an 8 week cycle along with 250mg of test in the past I want my next cutting cycle to leve me at around 6%

stats 231pounds 14% 5foot11-20 years old I know to young :( but I DONT FUCkING Care.
 
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