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[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I don't think I have ever said your book was bogus. I also don't think I've ever asked you anything more than to back up your statements with anything else but more statements ... Give me something to work with.. give the EF members something to work with.

You're right, I'm an attorney. A hot blooded attorney who questions many things... not only does it help clients that I have helped in the past, but it helps me see through the illusionary fog of knowledge that some people put up ... and see through it to what is really there...

I have no idea what you do with your time Nelson. I'm happy for your family and the success you are claiming. I really do wish nothing but the best for you.

But you have to realize something... This is EliteFitness.Com -- the BEST fitness site on the Internet. If you are going to make some wild claims... please, back them up with something. It's all anyone is really asking... we don't need detailed studies from various scientific institutions... but perhaps things you have learned in your own life... experiences you may have drawn upon... enlighten us... and then discuss it... in a rationale manner. People will disagree with you... they aren't necessarily fools... but perhaps people who have had their own experiences to the contrary... and that is where the arguments with facts and studies to bolster one side of the story come into play.

If I walked into court and told the judge this is the way it should be without bringing any case law to the plate with me... I'd not only get laughed out of the courtroom, but I'd most likely be in violations of various ethical duties that are attributed to all attorneys.... Now, I don't expect to hold you to my level of moral integrity... but perhaps a little bit of backing behind your claims would be somewhat refreshing.

C-ditty

Your moral integrity? That's funny.

The truth of the matter, Citrueside ,is that I probably give more explanations than a most anyone else on this board. It's just that some people can't or won't acceot anything beyond a "cut and paste" study. And I don't cut and paste. And for that reason it's fashionable to attack me. But no one EVER attacks the methodology. They attack the lack of "cut and paste" studies.

So essentially, you're full of shit. You're tried to discredit me. You make false accusations. Then I'm sure you checked the acknowledgments in Ricks book and realize what a tool you've been. So now you're waffling on the issue. And you're wrong again.

Case closed.

 

[OMEGA]

Oh, and by the way. Since you're the paragon of fairness, I guess you 'll have to call ulter, and macrophage and about 10 other poeple on the board human excrement since they too are here to profit. Talk your way out of that one jackass.

Hi Nelson,
look I don't know you, so I cannot say I have had the pleaure or displeasure of conversing with you



but this above comment is massivly fucked up dude.
I am working with AF business wise, and I also have accounts with others.
hands down they are the best.
they really want to help people with products that work, and there spirit of service towards the customer is unlike any other.
look I know I am somwhat biased, since they do carry a product of mine, but I am also kinda innocent when it comes to fighting with people and other entities online, so I don't try to take sides
andget involved in online wars.

dont' feel like everyone is ganging up on you man, justy relax, and if your wrong on anything concede to it, and if others are wrong so should they.

God knows I have made mistakes, and when I finally admitted to them, it ended up increasing my credibility.

anyway just trying to share a perspective

 

[kronk]

Nelson, I do not want to get involved with you on other thread here but find a need to comment as you continue to have issues with almost all of the mods on this site.

Take a deep breath and read everything Citruscide said there on his last post. He never once got out of line in that post. He was professional and quite frankly really said what needed to be said. I agree wholeheartedly with his post, and I am sure many will. Nobody is out to get you here Nelson. We want you to succeed and we want your book to sell as it helps the site.

Now look at your response to him. It is rude, arrogant and completely misses every point that he made. Rather than calm down and maybe admit that you are wrong you seem to find it easier to lash out. Why is it that you do that? I don't understand this type of behavior coming from a grown man.

We can all make mistakes Nelson, and while I am sure that you have a tremendous amount of knowledge and a wealth of personal experiences, etc. you are lacking certain quality's that would send you to greatness. You total lack of professionalism and business ethics is what will be your downfall. The thing is that you have the power to turn this around, yet for some reason you are hell bent on acting like you do. I wish you the best Nelson, truly I do, but as a businessman I find your lack of ethics and professionalism quite unnerving.

 

[Citruscide]

Your moral integrity? That's funny.

The truth of the matter, Citrueside ,is that I probably give more explanations than a most anyone else on this board. It's just that some people can't or won't acceot anything beyond a "cut and paste" study. And I don't cut and paste. And for that reason it's fashionable to attack me. But no one EVER attacks the methodology. They attack the lack of "cut and paste" studies.

So essentially, you're full of shit. You're tried to discredit me. You make false accusations. Then I'm sure you checked the acknowledgments in Ricks book and realize what a tool you've been. So now you're waffling on the issue. And you're wrong again.

Case closed.

I'm really not sure how to respond to this. I tried to approach you in a rational manner. I think you can really contribute "positively" to the Anabolic board... I have brought this up to many mods in conversation... but everytime, you disappoint me.

I feel like I'm taking Crazy Pills Nelson. No one is asking you to post up "cut and pasted" studies. You tell your methodology, but you never explain the workings of it... or it's rationale... much like the popular hip-hop song "Right Thurr"... it makes for a whole lot of nada.

Waffling on the issue? What issue? I don't even think I've seen an issue in any of your posts... other than a fighting withdrawal by you on every subject that is brought up. It's almost like you throw something out there and like a fragmentation grenade it just flies in 1000 different directions.

I'm really at a loss here Nelson...

C-ditty

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hi Nelson,
look I don't know you, so I cannot say I have had the pleaure or displeasure of conversing with you



but this above comment is massivly fucked up dude.
I am working with AF business wise, and I also have accounts with others.
hands down they are the best.
they really want to help people with products that work, and there spirit of service towards the customer is unlike any other.
look I know I am somwhat biased, since they do carry a product of mine, but I am also kinda innocent when it comes to fighting with people and other entities online, so I don't try to take sides
andget involved in online wars.

dont' feel like everyone is ganging up on you man, justy relax, and if your wrong on anything concede to it, and if others are wrong so should they.

God knows I have made mistakes, and when I finally admitted to them, it ended up increasing my credibility.

anyway just trying to share a perspective

You missed the point big time bro. That was in response to something Fonz said. He called me greedy excrement because I profit from the site. So I was being faceitious. I have only props for the bros at AF, but apparently Fonz thinks that anyone who makes money through their time and effort is garbage.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nice stab at being contrite guys!

kronk, I believe you're sincere, just misguided. You see my posts turn into flames and assume it must be me, when in fact it's the responses to me.

Citrue is just a bully. And like most bullies, he'll provoke and provoke and provoke and then when someone strikes back, he acts all sheepish and innocent. Well, you may fool knonk, but you don't fool me. It's a smarmy tactc and I'm wise to it.

 

[Citruscide]

Citrue is just a bully. And like most bullies, he'll provoke and provoke and provoke and then when someone strikes back, he acts all sheepish and innocent. Well, you may fool knonk, but you don't fool me. It's a smarmy tactc and I'm wise to it.

Now I'm a bully? I always thought of myself as the "jokester" or the guy who makes witty comments and people go "Hey, that guy is sooooo witty"

To each their own Nelson... I'll just have to believe that we aren't going to see eye to eye on this one and move on. I have no intention of "bullying" you anymore... of course, the administration might have other ideas.

C-ditty

 

[sk*]

Why is it that 99.9% of the threads Nelson has posted on turn to flame wars?

Answer: People are stupid, listen to Nelson.

-sk

 

[BigAndy69]

Bottom line, Nelson is not stupid, he does this on purpose. Recruits the newbies so they can buy his book. He makes himself to be the underdog and it works well to some degree.

It is turning this board into shit.

Ulter and Macro spent years helping people and there knowledge has greatly advanced this board. They never hide there affiliation to AF and they never got in the way of discussions presenting bullshit statements and playing games with the members.

When a member reads a post by Ulter or Macro on Yohimburn or T-Rex, they know that Ulter and Macro are profiting from it.

When a newbie reads one of your
twisted-common-sense-everybody-is-doing-it-wrong-that's-not-what-I-said-why-are-you-attacking-me posts, he doesn't necessary understand that you are drumming up controversy to increase your book sales...and you are doing it by MISLEADING people. You know if you make statements like 'Protein cannot be absorbed without fat', you will create a shitstorm You know very well that it's bullshit. Then you try and twist it around to make it seem like they are personnaly attacking you.

I especially love the statement not to use clomid...you know very well it has nasty side effects so people are more inclined to listen to you. It's irresponsible and dangerous advice. I find it funny that a little while after those statements, you come out with a herbal supplement "Post-Cycle". Give me a break...

Bottom line, you mislead and manipulate people to make money on this board

You contribute practically nothing to anabolic discussion.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why is it that 99.9% of the threads Nelson has posted on turn to flame wars?

Answer: People are stupid, listen to Nelson.

-sk

No, I think it's more likely because of instigating posts like this.