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theoak01

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as I mentioned a while ago I am having a huge coyote problem,however after a few more encounters and discussion with people in the area these are infact a crossbreed between coyotes and dogs which end you up with a fearless sly vicious bastard that has to be looked after,they killed my neighbours horse last week and this morning my dog was going nuts outside and she is usually quite,doesnt chase anything or whatever so I trott downstairs and outside in my undies go around the front of the house and the motion light came on and there was about 10 of these fuckers starting to circle my dog and they didnt back down at all when they saw me,so I got her in the house real quick and grabbed my gun and was going back out ,however they were gone.

my question is what is the best way to eradicate this problem before someone gets hurt,I often go out to work at 330 in the morning and the mrs is on call and gets emergency vet calls throughout the nights sometimes and I would feel like shit if I did nothing to sort this problem out and someone got hurt.

Id think waiting until the corn came down and it snowed would be the best to track but that wont be for a few months now,any other suggestions?
 
theoak01 said:
as I mentioned a while ago I am having a huge coyote problem,however after a few more encounters and discussion with people in the area these are infact a crossbreed between coyotes and dogs which end you up with a fearless sly vicious bastard that has to be looked after,they killed my neighbours horse last week and this morning my dog was going nuts outside and she is usually quite,doesnt chase anything or whatever so I trott downstairs and outside in my undies go around the front of the house and the motion light came on and there was about 10 of these fuckers starting to circle my dog and they didnt back down at all when they saw me,so I got her in the house real quick and grabbed my gun and was going back out ,however they were gone.

my question is what is the best way to eradicate this problem before someone gets hurt,I often go out to work at 330 in the morning and the mrs is on call and gets emergency vet calls throughout the nights sometimes and I would feel like shit if I did nothing to sort this problem out and someone got hurt.

Id think waiting until the corn came down and it snowed would be the best to track but that wont be for a few months now,any other suggestions?
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if you set traps, innocent animals will get hurt. I think there is a spray you can use around your property... it's a urine based one (gross, i know, but if you have an abundance of deer, you don't care).
 
go to the pound get a decoy pet
build a lil' blind, at nighttime tie decoy dog to a tree nearby, draw the 'yotes in.
then blast away with a .12 gauge with bird shot
 
not much deer which im now attributing to this pack of coyote/dogs halfbreeds, as for the urine based spray,both myself and my neighbour whose horse was killed have large breed dogs and they just arent scared of other animals or people
 
Moltke said:
go to the pound get a decoy pet
build a lil' blind, at nighttime tie decoy dog to a tree nearby, draw the 'yotes in.
then blast away with a .12 gauge with bird shot
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ive thought of that but then I have another damn dog I dont want,I do like the blind idea though
 
This isn't all that uncommon of a problem.

I know the solution to this will stir up controversy but it's a problem that most of those opposed have never had to deal with.

I have done predator / nuisance animal control for ranchers on and off for years. The trapping methods available today are probably going to be most effective. The foothold traps don't cause anything like the damage PETA advertises and are more humane than poisoning which is what the state will do. Poisoning DOES kill indiscriminately, while trapping is selective. Deer get out without injury, domestic pets can be released with nothing more than a bruise. I can tell you first hand as I've done it, and had traps go off on my fingers. I've even done it on purpose to prove to people that they don't break bones and split the skin like PETA mailers show.
Another method that will be effective until they figure it out is to call them in and shoot them. That would depend on the area and laws.
PM me for more info. This thread could turn ugly.
 
BNG said:
This isn't all that uncommon of a problem.

I know the solution to this will stir up controversy but it's a problem that most of those opposed have never had to deal with.

I have done predator / nuisance animal control for ranchers on and off for years. The trapping methods available today are probably going to be most effective. The foothold traps don't cause anything like the damage PETA advertises and are more humane than poisoning which is what the state will do. Poisoning DOES kill indiscriminately, while trapping is selective. Deer get out without injury, domestic pets can be released with nothing more than a bruise. I can tell you first hand as I've done it, and had traps go off on my fingers. I've even done it on purpose to prove to people that they don't break bones and split the skin like PETA mailers show.
Another method that will be effective until they figure it out is to call them in and shoot them. That would depend on the area and laws.
PM me for more info. This thread could turn ugly.
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open season year round on coyotes here.
though you can't bait them
 
its open season here on coyotes aswell, I live so far out nobody would catch me baiting so Im definately open to suggestions on calling them in. plus my closest neighbour just lost a very expensive race horse that for some reason wasnt in the barn overnight so I doubt he will call
 
Calling them is way more fun. If you use an electronic call it's easier but more expensive. The hand calls are more difficult but no big deal. Use a shotgun and small buckshot loads. #3 0r #4 are my favs, when they come in they'll be charging. Let them get in close at let the lead fly. If you take the plug out you'll have a few more shots before they run off. If they are fearless, bring a pistol as well.
 
Moltke said:
go to the pound get a decoy pet
build a lil' blind, at nighttime tie decoy dog to a tree nearby, draw the 'yotes in.
then blast away with a .12 gauge with bird shot
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nah. . .use 00 buckshot. . .you want to kill the fucking vermin, not just maim them so they can wander off into the woods and suffer until gangrene catched up with them. . .

and you can probably use and electronic game caller and a real decoy(s) as opposed to a live dog. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
nah. . .use 00 buckshot. . .you want to kill the fucking vermin, not just maim them so they can wander off into the woods and suffer until gangrene catched up with them. . .

and you can probably use and electronic game caller and a real decoy(s) as opposed to a live dog. . .
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Rifle, small round like a .222, .243 or 6mm, outfit it with a low-light scope.
 
redguru said:
Rifle, small round like a .222, .243 or 6mm, outfit it with a low-light scope.
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actually. . .we always used shotguns on foxes, etc. cause it was easier for the furrier to close up little holes than big ones. . .but yeah. . .a rifle would work fine. . .how bout the venerable old .22 hornet??
 
redguru said:
Rifle, small round like a .222, .243 or 6mm, outfit it with a low-light scope.
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He'll get more at once with a scattergun and small buckshot than only getting off one or two shot's with a rifle. He's dealing with a pack of coydogs not saving fur for fun and profit.
 
BNG said:
He'll get more at once with a scattergun and small buckshot than only getting off one or two shot's with a rifle. He's dealing with a pack of coydogs not saving fur for fun and profit.
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Depends on the distances involved. You could bait them in with groundhog carcasses.
 
I think the scattergun is the best bet as something like an ar15 isnt legal here and these things travel in packs so a nice pump sounds wonderful.

what do you guys think is the best kind of electronic call,deer ? what , I have never hunted for coydog before,hell never saw them until the other night.
 
theoak01 said:
as I mentioned a while ago I am having a huge coyote problem,however after a few more encounters and discussion with people in the area these are infact a crossbreed between coyotes and dogs which end you up with a fearless sly vicious bastard that has to be looked after,they killed my neighbours horse last week and this morning my dog was going nuts outside and she is usually quite,doesnt chase anything or whatever so I trott downstairs and outside in my undies go around the front of the house and the motion light came on and there was about 10 of these fuckers starting to circle my dog and they didnt back down at all when they saw me,so I got her in the house real quick and grabbed my gun and was going back out ,however they were gone.

my question is what is the best way to eradicate this problem before someone gets hurt,I often go out to work at 330 in the morning and the mrs is on call and gets emergency vet calls throughout the nights sometimes and I would feel like shit if I did nothing to sort this problem out and someone got hurt.

Id think waiting until the corn came down and it snowed would be the best to track but that wont be for a few months now,any other suggestions?
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Tylenol will kill a dog or a coyote dead in his tracks!!!

role up balls of hamburg with lots of Tylenol in them and throw them in the woods around your house...animal eats them then its dies not your problem after that...
 
I grew up on a farm. When domestic dogs breed with coyotes we called the progeny a "coy dog." You are correct that they are less shy than coyotes and can cause more problems. What we had to be careful of was children going to play in the woods (that was usually me) and the pigs or our pets in the yard. I was told to just keep an eye out for them and back away slowly if I saw one. I never did. My family would just shoot them if they saw them on the farm. I know some will think that it is inhumane, but once they started coming in out of the woods and close to the house or barn, they were getting too dangerous.
 
both my dog and the neighbours have free range of the place seriously I live in the middle of nowhere so tylenol is not an option,plus I want to shoot shit.

heather-ya they definately can be a pain,my friend who is an avid hunter suggested the same as here shoot em quick
 
theoak01 said:
both my dog and the neighbours have free range of the place seriously I live in the middle of nowhere so tylenol is not an option,plus I want to shoot shit.

heather-ya they definately can be a pain,my friend who is an avid hunter suggested the same as here shoot em quick
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lock them up for a week bro big deal...
 
If the county/city won't help then get good with a rifle and take care of them yourself. That's what we do here when they're going after the livestock.
 
Best way to call in coyotes is to get a CD or a tape of rabbit's squaling.

You can probably buy on on the intertubes.

Get a loud speaker hooked up to your stereo and blast that shit outside.

Use a rifle with a scope and pick them off as they come in.

Illegal in alot of areas, so be carefull.
 
bait them for sure, fuck whatever you're in the middle of nowhere people and animals lives are in jeapordy..

get some raw meat.. or that rabbit squaling... sit out.. with your rifle and blast the fuckers..

it's for the safety of your wife and dog and the neighbours and whatnot.
 
Challenge them to a fight and kick all their asses. Those bully coydogs won't come back after you humiliate them.
 
get a hog....stick it in the side....tie it to a tree.....sit back and wait!

Its simple, like most people have said on here...just bait them, but make sure the bait works cuz you dont want to have to do this everyday for 10 days waiting to them...they travel in larger packs so have a few guys ready to blast them when they come in....have a 4 wheeler handy too to chase a few down and shoot them with a side arm.

Back home people use dogs to hunt them...just like hogs
 
I've seen a lot of coyotes in the last few years living in the country. They are ugly as hell.
 
I should get some seals flown in as bait,that would be fun.

I do think I will be getting some friends over on a night Im not working so we can light them up,the pack I saw last was about 15 and they must be mixed with a very large breed dog as they made my 120lb dog look small
 
theoak01 said:
I should get some seals flown in as bait,that would be fun.

I do think I will be getting some friends over on a night Im not working so we can light them up,the pack I saw last was about 15 and they must be mixed with a very large breed dog as they made my 120lb dog look small
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those sound like friggin' wolves. . .or just stray (or feral) dogs. . .coyotes around these parts (northcentral pa) weigh between 20 and 50 pounds. . .even the ones that have crossbred with domesticated animals never weigh more than 80 pounds. . .
 
illegal and indescrininate: use 1cc Furadan (corn inscticide) and inject into cut up hotdogs, chicken wings cut in to the drumette side and the tip work better, the skin holds the poison really well. Drop pieces away from your house, farther than your dog would ever roam, but not where neighbors dogs will pick them up either. Works like a charm, you'll need to watch the places where you baited, the coyotes/dogs will need to be moved sometimes if you kill alot in one night. Buzzards flying around the area will tip a gamewarden off, he'll probably see opposums, other varmints as well, so he'll know that someone was using baits.

otherwise, bait areas away from your house like you would do deer with corn, put out table scraps, etc. then one day a week, you and prefreably a buddy, go sit and wait on the suckers, 3" magnum w/ #2 shot works really well 30 yards and closer. You should be able to get 3 a piece each night, they tend to stand together and that's when you take your first shots...
 
txbondsman said:
illegal and indescrininate: use 1cc Furadan (corn inscticide) and inject into cut up hotdogs, chicken wings cut in to the drumette side and the tip work better, the skin holds the poison really well. Drop pieces away from your house, farther than your dog would ever roam, but not where neighbors dogs will pick them up either. Works like a charm, you'll need to watch the places where you baited, the coyotes/dogs will need to be moved sometimes if you kill alot in one night. Buzzards flying around the area will tip a gamewarden off, he'll probably see opposums, other varmints as well, so he'll know that someone was using baits.

otherwise, bait areas away from your house like you would do deer with corn, put out table scraps, etc. then one day a week, you and prefreably a buddy, go sit and wait on the suckers, 3" magnum w/ #2 shot works really well 30 yards and closer. You should be able to get 3 a piece each night, they tend to stand together and that's when you take your first shots...
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Poisoning is so damn cruel. I even feel bad about poisoning rats... Almost.
 
Shoot To Kill

In a cage with poisoned bars
Filled with snakes and fire
You shiver, sweat, and cry
I fear the hunger in your eyes
In a land with poisoned fruit
Filled with viruses and bile
Your sobs drowned out by hurricanes
Step aboard and feed the flames

Sign and seal, hand deliver
You have only yourself to blame
I will never reconsider
Things will never be the same

Shoot to kill
That's a promise - That's an oath
All or nothing - Choosing both
It's a habit - It's a sin
Born to Lose - Live to Win

On the throne of consequence
Built on debts and tragedy
The hand that bites you back
Is ready for attack
Under rubbled happiness
Buried in a hole of mud
Feel your coffin shrink and narrow
Chew the bones and suck the marrow

Sign and seal, hand deliver
You have only yourself to blame
I will never reconsider
Things will never be the same

Shoot to kill
That's a promise - That's an oath
All or nothing - Choosing both
It's a habit - It's a sin
Born to Lose - Live to Win

Behind the glass you're cut and scarred
Suffer with the wicked
After all the sweat and piss
Only beggars die like this
Rape and murder, kiss away
Jester crying, children dead
Psyche quartered, cut and dried
Only craving cyanide

Sign and seal, hand deliver
You have only yourself to blame
I will never reconsider
Things will never be the same

Shoot to kill
That's a promise - That's an oath
All or nothing - Choosing both
It's a habit - It's a sin
Born to Lose - Live to Win

Kill!
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Shoot To Kill


Shoot to kill
That's a promise - That's an oath
All or nothing - Choosing both
It's a habit - It's a sin
Born to Lose - Live to Win

Kill!
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where are those lyrics from??
 
lol they get labeled as death metal but they are nothing such. They're closer to rock than death if you ask me, maybe I'll upload you that song if I remember later.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
lol they get labeled as death metal but they are nothing such. They're closer to rock than death if you ask me, maybe I'll upload you that song if I remember later.
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i liked the lyrics. . .now that i have the name i'll have to hit ares to see what the song sounds like. . .
 
biteme said:
Poisoning is so damn cruel. I even feel bad about poisoning rats... Almost.
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obviously you haven't seen what they do to other animals, coyotes "generally" hunt for food, coydogs and dogs hunt because they like to kill, doesn't matter what, pack mentality takes over. They usually chew the tails off calves, bite thier ears off, etc. they die from the blood loss, at several hundred dolars a calf or more if they are being raised to keep and go into a cow/ calf heard. They'll snatch little Fefe in a minute, carry her off and that's the last you'll see, unless you go looking for her carcass. Ruthless, cold indescriminate killers. They get started comming close to your house, one way to go, kill them. I won't even mention if you have childern, kids like to play in the fiels, etc. Coydogs aren't usualy as leary of people. They are hard to kill in numbers unless you have the time to sit and wait, effective, but it's not practical in some cases, just can't kill enough numbers quick enough. Ranchers do what they have to do. Furadan is HIGHLY toxic, kills within minutes. Not attractive, I agree, but neither is picking up you 3rd, 4th or more calf/ sheep/ goat that has been killed by the damn things...
Fyi, they like watermellons too. The packs will hit a field of mellons and scratch them to see if they can open them. Makes the mellons worthless, at 2-3 dollars a mellon or more, the farmer who is making his living on them tends to get pissed, thousands of dollars lost in a season if they aren't controlled...
Tx
 
Dang, Pants. Are you married yet? Where are you living now? Sounds like Ned Beaty is going to be visiting you soon.
 
definately not wolves,there is a known coydog problem here,I was suppose to handle it earlier this week but I got a bad intestinal virus and was in the hospital all thanksgiving monday which sucked balls.

ender,the wedding is nov 10th,and im living just outside of aylmer ON in a nice little piece of land where nobody can find me.

thanks for all the tips guys,I have time to bait and shoot,def dont wanna mess with poison and the wifey as a vet isnt really to into it either
 
theoak01 said:
definately not wolves,there is a known coydog problem here,I was suppose to handle it earlier this week but I got a bad intestinal virus and was in the hospital all thanksgiving monday which sucked balls.

ender,the wedding is nov 10th,and im living just outside of aylmer ON in a nice little piece of land where nobody can find me.

thanks for all the tips guys,I have time to bait and shoot,def dont wanna mess with poison and the wifey as a vet isnt really to into it either
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guess that really squashes the clubbing of baby seals in Labrador... :-)
 
nah shes cool with the seal hunt,shes a country girl so she knows about being self sufficient and how important that lifestyle is to preserve
 
theoak01 said:
definately not wolves,there is a known coydog problem here,I was suppose to handle it earlier this week but I got a bad intestinal virus and was in the hospital all thanksgiving monday which sucked balls.

ender,the wedding is nov 10th,and im living just outside of aylmer ON in a nice little piece of land where nobody can find me.

thanks for all the tips guys,I have time to bait and shoot,def dont wanna mess with poison and the wifey as a vet isnt really to into it either
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we have tons here. . .the largest one on record was 80lbs and that was huge. . .a "coydog" that makes a 120lb dog look "small" is something extremely unusual. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
we have tons here. . .the largest one on record was 80lbs and that was huge. . .a "coydog" that makes a 120lb dog look "small" is something extremely unusual. . .
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definately could have been the adrenaline and shitty lighting at 4am,they just looked fucking big,if I get one ill definately take pics
 
theoak01 said:
definately could have been the adrenaline and shitty lighting at 4am,they just looked fucking big,if I get one ill definately take pics
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weigh the fucker too. . .i'm curious. . .
 
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