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satyricon1
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Maybe even as young as 16... To become olympic at 22... you have to start early. Now with the common agreement that juice is not for anyone younger than 25... are we working against a new young olympian?
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Arnold started juicing at age 17...
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pip88
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I dont agree with juice is not for anyone younger than 25. If we are talking about testosterone for example there are two things it will do for a person that is 16 or even 15.
It will make them quick jump through puberty which may be considered ill-advised since you might not grow any taller because the growth plates slow way down during and after puberty. And it will do what we use it to do and that is build muscle.
On this site people wont give advise till you are 21 (I dont know why either way if you dont have a script its still a felony and felonies dont have age limits).
If you want to be successful in your teens, yes you will have to start around the time Arnold did and by all means you will be way ahead of people who wait till they are 21 or 25.
It will make them quick jump through puberty which may be considered ill-advised since you might not grow any taller because the growth plates slow way down during and after puberty. And it will do what we use it to do and that is build muscle.
On this site people wont give advise till you are 21 (I dont know why either way if you dont have a script its still a felony and felonies dont have age limits).
If you want to be successful in your teens, yes you will have to start around the time Arnold did and by all means you will be way ahead of people who wait till they are 21 or 25.
satyricon1
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I have kidds at my gym that shouldnt be shaving yet, that lifts heavier than me, are bigger than me, and simply look like freaks. Not a lot of em, but they do excist. =D
sharkmaster
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i know guys who started as young as 16 in highschool. I dont think its a good idea but they havent seemed to suffer any problems from it. Actually now that i think of it they are all in great condition. most of these guys wearther following through or not all got looked at for football/wrestling schollarships or got free rides to train at fight gyms.
pip88
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Yea sure they will have some side effects but the pay off in the long run out weigh them.
satyricon1
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Maybe it is us.. the old farts that knows our lives are slipping away between our fingers, wanting others to sweat blood instead of getting to where we are now, 20 years earlier...
I mean seriously, had I known about steroids and had knowledge been as available then as it is now... I would be a retired Arnold by now, about to hit my political careers peak.. =D
I mean seriously, had I known about steroids and had knowledge been as available then as it is now... I would be a retired Arnold by now, about to hit my political careers peak.. =D
shibs
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for one, people like arnold were early developers (not because of the roids) but that made it a little better for them to take it. It's still really really dangerous and a lot of young people don't study enough or look into a good pct and they think they're alright, but they're not. Another thing is, no one that young has reached their genetic potential. I honestly think that people should have to work hard and master the art of weight lifting before they decide to take a huge shortcut.
First of all, we don't know when Arnold started. Secondly, it's easier to mess yourself up when you're younger. And thirdly, when people start too young, they tend to fail because they never learn to train properly to get good gains -- which they should be able to do anyway. And today with the supps available, it's easier than ever.
And Arnold is Arnold. His success wasn't due to starting steroids sooner, that's for sure.
And Arnold is Arnold. His success wasn't due to starting steroids sooner, that's for sure.
sony190
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Exactly! How do we know for sure when someone started? Some good points Nelson.
pip88
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I think we have a pretty good idea. He won his first mr.olympia at 21 and it was obvious he was juicing. If you see pictures when he is 19 it is still very very obvious he was juicing. For easy estimating purposes we will say he did one cycle and trained for one year on roids. So at minimum he would of been juicing since he was 18 or late 17s.
I agree with you on it is easy to mess your body up but only to a certain extent. It would take some heavy ABUSE not use to mess up a young person.
I also agree to an extent with people not training properly but they dont get results like juicing no matter how young and in their prime they are. That why they do it, and lets face it today's youth its raised on instant gratification.
I'm not so sure it was "obvious" he was juicing. Everybody did a little before a contest, but guys didn't cycle on and off all year round the way they do now. And certainly not at anywhere near the dosages of the ordinary gym rat today.
digit0x
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And wouldn't you say this is due to the increasing level of competition? I'm not a huge follower of proBB but I do know the competitors have been getting bigger and leaner.
Facts: Arnold was a genetic freak. We don't know when he started. However, he did start earlier than when we purport to be a good age on this board. Someone with less genetic potential would need to close the gap with juice. Not everyone is ready at the same age.
Its just the nature of competition.
However, the majority of members here are not competitors be it bodybuilding/sports etc and so we take the highest common denominator for what will have the least negative impact on average to most people.
Everyone must do their own cost/benefit on if/when/how to use AAS. If you're using at age 16 allows you to retire early and remain in sustainable good health for the remainder of your years, then you made the right choice.
mohdgame
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Our discussion is useless since there is no age rule. Alot of young people are juicing now. There is no way you can stop them. Whatever you tell them they still will juice. I think the solution is to educate them... Tell them not to do it, but if you're going for it anyway, I think you should ... and you should... etc. But telling them not to do it and not showing them the way... that might lead down to horrible things...
I know people at the age of 16 and they use tren. Can you imagine that?
I know people at the age of 16 and they use tren. Can you imagine that?
pip88
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FORGET ARNOLD
look at LEE PREIST
the kid was juicing at 14-15 years old, have a look at some of the old pics of him
theres pics of him at age 15, on ym gym wall wen he use to train there occasionaly, kid was a fukin MONSTER
anyways on topic
ill agree that professional bodybuilders (most anyways) did start juicing young
but to argue that we are holding back kids is incorrect
if a kid at 17 is dedicated, geneticaly gifted or not, trains hard and eats right, he will use steroids despite wat anyone tells him if his ambishen is to be a professional bodybuilder, strongman etc
he could make a few threads on a couple of forums, cop shit for wat he wants to do, maybe get banned, or maybe even lie about his age and get the advice he wanted
BUT lets face it, even without making a thread on this forum, you can easily look at one of the stickys or read through a few threads, websites etc and understand how to do a first cycle, and how to run a cycle
i know thats wat i did, no one would give me advice on my first cycle becoz of my age
the reason why I BELIEVE we shouldnt advise people of a young age to use steroids is based on morals more then anything else
lets forget arnold for a second, take a look at the average 17 year old kid in the gym
could you honestly say youd be happy to hand him steroids? or advise him to cycle?
the kid probably still thinks fat turns into muscle, high rep training burns fat, and fat free food cant get you fat, he probably hasnt even copped his first hand job yet off a girl and spends all night on facebook stalking pages of girl his age, and making random adds
and your going to go give him advise on how injecting 6 times the normal hormone level are going to put muscles on him?
those who are dedicated in the pursuit for bodybuilding will do wateva it takes, despite any forum rules or morals they will have to break
I PERSONALY do not agree with the age rule becoz it goes against me since i am young,
but i understand why its there, and why it needs to be there
we are not holding back anyone, we are weeding out the stupid, careless, wreckless and immature people
those who are dedicated will have the brains to read a simple sticky and do abit of research to construct there cycle
100 percent agree
Last 2 lines the most.
pip88
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I agree again it like this; Teachers can tell kids in high school to not have sex and stay abstinent but at the end of all that bullshit lecture they still are gonna hand out condoms. Because they rather try and no your not gonna listen then tell you how to do it the safe way.
Its the perfect parallel.
satyricon1
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From my research Arnold was on 600mg primobolan /wk and 60mg dbol a day. 21 weeks or so, then ran 300mg deca and 30 mg dbol for 6 weeks, then back on the primo/dbol.
However, in Arnolds book he talks about how he had to pin 3-4 times a day...
So like most of you say, we will never know for sure.
One thing we do know, is what signs to look out for. Anyone denying the facts around this are simply doing so because of lack of will to admit. At least that is my way of seeing it. I can detect other juicers miles away.
In the gym I get a lot of questions about juicing etc, I usually tell them im on this high tech whey protein, Creatine and blah blah.
About genetic potentials, it will take you years and years to reach your gen-pot clean. Some people never even reaches it. Some people never even reaches it with juice... but if you know what you are doing when it comes to training and eating, juicing to get to your genetic potential at a fairly young age.. is common. VERY common. I see it every day...
However, in Arnolds book he talks about how he had to pin 3-4 times a day...
So like most of you say, we will never know for sure.
One thing we do know, is what signs to look out for. Anyone denying the facts around this are simply doing so because of lack of will to admit. At least that is my way of seeing it. I can detect other juicers miles away.
In the gym I get a lot of questions about juicing etc, I usually tell them im on this high tech whey protein, Creatine and blah blah.
About genetic potentials, it will take you years and years to reach your gen-pot clean. Some people never even reaches it. Some people never even reaches it with juice... but if you know what you are doing when it comes to training and eating, juicing to get to your genetic potential at a fairly young age.. is common. VERY common. I see it every day...
needtogetaas
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Truthfully I think we are all just saving face. Hoping not to get the finger pointed at us by other forums saying " they let teenage kids juice....AND THEY HELP THEM DO IT TOO!!!!!!!!!"
But no matter what the reason Its the rules and I will be enforcing them to the fullest. Sorry its not personal its my job!
Or maybe I could change the rules if I feel like it too. But I dont lmao
twenty47
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ill be 22 in a few months. pinning for the first time tmr. ive been researching for two years and held off when i was 19 to let myself mature more. added 40 lbs of natural meat in that time. i know im ready. i already get asked what im on by all my friends and some other people bc i guess the average 21 year old isnt 6 foot 245.
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