Arnold started juicing at age 17...

[sony190]

First of all, we don't know when Arnold started. Secondly, it's easier to mess yourself up when you're younger. And thirdly, when people start too young, they tend to fail because they never learn to train properly to get good gains -- which they should be able to do anyway. And today with the supps available, it's easier than ever.

And Arnold is Arnold. His success wasn't due to starting steroids sooner, that's for sure.

Exactly! How do we know for sure when someone started? Some good points Nelson.

 

[pip88]

First of all, we don't know when Arnold started. Secondly, it's easier to mess yourself up when you're younger. And thirdly, when people start too young, they tend to fail because they never learn to train properly to get good gains -- which they should be able to do anyway. And today with the supps available, it's easier than ever.

And Arnold is Arnold. His success wasn't due to starting steroids sooner, that's for sure.

I think we have a pretty good idea. He won his first mr.olympia at 21 and it was obvious he was juicing. If you see pictures when he is 19 it is still very very obvious he was juicing. For easy estimating purposes we will say he did one cycle and trained for one year on roids. So at minimum he would of been juicing since he was 18 or late 17s.

I agree with you on it is easy to mess your body up but only to a certain extent. It would take some heavy ABUSE not use to mess up a young person.

I also agree to an extent with people not training properly but they dont get results like juicing no matter how young and in their prime they are. That why they do it, and lets face it today's youth its raised on instant gratification.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think we have a pretty good idea. He won his first mr.olympia at 21 and it was obvious he was juicing. If you see pictures when he is 19 it is still very very obvious he was juicing. For easy estimating purposes we will say he did one cycle and trained for one year on roids. So at minimum he would of been juicing since he was 18 or late 17s.

I agree with you on it is easy to mess your body up but only to a certain extent. It would take some heavy ABUSE not use to mess up a young person.

I also agree to an extent with people not training properly but they dont get results like juicing no matter how young and in their prime they are. That why they do it, and lets face it today's youth its raised on instant gratification.

I'm not so sure it was "obvious" he was juicing. Everybody did a little before a contest, but guys didn't cycle on and off all year round the way they do now. And certainly not at anywhere near the dosages of the ordinary gym rat today.

 

[digit0x]

I'm not so sure it was "obvious" he was juicing. Everybody did a little before a contest, but guys didn't cycle on and off all year round the way they do now. And certainly not at anywhere near the dosages of the ordinary gym rat today.

And wouldn't you say this is due to the increasing level of competition? I'm not a huge follower of proBB but I do know the competitors have been getting bigger and leaner.

Facts: Arnold was a genetic freak. We don't know when he started. However, he did start earlier than when we purport to be a good age on this board. Someone with less genetic potential would need to close the gap with juice. Not everyone is ready at the same age.

Its just the nature of competition.

However, the majority of members here are not competitors be it bodybuilding/sports etc and so we take the highest common denominator for what will have the least negative impact on average to most people.

Everyone must do their own cost/benefit on if/when/how to use AAS. If you're using at age 16 allows you to retire early and remain in sustainable good health for the remainder of your years, then you made the right choice.

 

[mohdgame]

Our discussion is useless since there is no age rule. Alot of young people are juicing now. There is no way you can stop them. Whatever you tell them they still will juice. I think the solution is to educate them... Tell them not to do it, but if you're going for it anyway, I think you should ... and you should... etc. But telling them not to do it and not showing them the way... that might lead down to horrible things...

I know people at the age of 16 and they use tren. Can you imagine that?

 

[C.K.]

I'd let my son juice at 18 lol but only if he was makin good grades or a sports scholarship

 

[pip88]

FORGET ARNOLD

look at LEE PREIST

the kid was juicing at 14-15 years old, have a look at some of the old pics of him

theres pics of him at age 15, on ym gym wall wen he use to train there occasionaly, kid was a fukin MONSTER

anyways on topic

ill agree that professional bodybuilders (most anyways) did start juicing young

but to argue that we are holding back kids is incorrect

if a kid at 17 is dedicated, geneticaly gifted or not, trains hard and eats right, he will use steroids despite wat anyone tells him if his ambishen is to be a professional bodybuilder, strongman etc

he could make a few threads on a couple of forums, cop shit for wat he wants to do, maybe get banned, or maybe even lie about his age and get the advice he wanted

BUT lets face it, even without making a thread on this forum, you can easily look at one of the stickys or read through a few threads, websites etc and understand how to do a first cycle, and how to run a cycle

i know thats wat i did, no one would give me advice on my first cycle becoz of my age

the reason why I BELIEVE we shouldnt advise people of a young age to use steroids is based on morals more then anything else

lets forget arnold for a second, take a look at the average 17 year old kid in the gym

could you honestly say youd be happy to hand him steroids? or advise him to cycle?

the kid probably still thinks fat turns into muscle, high rep training burns fat, and fat free food cant get you fat, he probably hasnt even copped his first hand job yet off a girl and spends all night on facebook stalking pages of girl his age, and making random adds

and your going to go give him advise on how injecting 6 times the normal hormone level are going to put muscles on him?


those who are dedicated in the pursuit for bodybuilding will do wateva it takes, despite any forum rules or morals they will have to break

I PERSONALY do not agree with the age rule becoz it goes against me since i am young,

but i understand why its there, and why it needs to be there

we are not holding back anyone, we are weeding out the stupid, careless, wreckless and immature people

those who are dedicated will have the brains to read a simple sticky and do abit of research to construct there cycle

100 percent agree

Last 2 lines the most.

 

[pip88]

Our discussion is useless since there is no age rule. Alot of young people are juicing now. There is no way you can stop them. Whatever you tell them they still will juice. I think the solution is to educate them... Tell them not to do it, but if you're going for it anyway, I think you should ... and you should... etc. But telling them not to do it and not showing them the way... that might lead down to horrible things...

I know people at the age of 16 and they use tren. Can you imagine that?

I agree again it like this; Teachers can tell kids in high school to not have sex and stay abstinent but at the end of all that bullshit lecture they still are gonna hand out condoms. Because they rather try and no your not gonna listen then tell you how to do it the safe way.

Its the perfect parallel.

 

[RADAR]

what ever and whoever juiced , I don't care the main point here is we do not dondone newbie juicing because their natural hormones play a role in how they are trying to adapt thru prubity ,they have enough going on without injecting foreign hormones in to their body

 

[forcd]

i think juice is for anyone mature enough to deal with the outcome... good or bad... theres so much talk of "oh not before 22,23,25,30, not before natural limit blah blah" if you ready to deal with whats gunna happen to you then crank it