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Nelson Montana

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10 Outdated and Overrated Compounds You're Better Off Without.



#10: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - :

Said it beofe, I'll say it again -- this is the poster child for disaterous steroids. There's talk of it being elliminated completely from the legit market. If you love it, use it. But a bloating compond that causes impotence is the worst of both worlds.

#9: Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -

This was never a "first choice" drug. Teslac was always considered better. (Much like Proviron but stronger). But Teslac never caught on because of its price. Since then many other much better anti e's have come along and the effectivness of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - has been shown to be virtually worthless is almost every bodybuilding application. Yet, it will not go away. Habits, and misinformation, die hard.

#8; Prohormones (or pro-steroids or whatever they're calling that crap these days)

Ten times the side effects and virtually none of the benefits of steroids! Woo hoo! At least it's a chemical! I'm on drugs dude!

#7: Tribulus

This stuff ever really did much but it was all we had in terms of a natrual assistance to boosting T and lh - leutenizing hormone - . The results were so slight they were inconsequntial. UNLEASHED actually accomplishes what Trib tried to.

#6: Vet Gear

This will be my battle cray until I'm dead and I know it'll never be completely accepted but vet gear just ain't right. Three decades into its use people still report weird side effects of which will never be answered becuase (THERE HASN'T BEEN AS SINGLE STUDY ON THE USE OF VET GEAR IN HUMANS). I just don't trust it. Yeah, yeah, trenbolone is awesome. But if you can't get good results with a good amount reasonably safer shit, you suck anyway so why bother?

#5: Nitric Oxide.

Actually not a bad supp -- overhyped for sure, but not bad for increasing pump. Newer versions are better but now that there's this... http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=918&cat=0&page=1 ... there's no use taking plain old NO2.

#4 DNP

If you fuck yourself up with this, you deserve what was coming to you. Harsh, but true.


#3: Bridges

Stop fooling yourself. Get out and get clean. If you need something full time, go on HR T. It's 2007 for crissakes.


#2: Whey Concentrate

It's almost not even worth supplementing with whey concentrate since the BV is so weak. And that's the main ingredient in most MRP's. Any food source would be better. There are so many superior options today -- isolate, cross filtered, even whole egg is better than concentrate. And NO FOOD SOURCE has the nitrogen retention qualities of Super Plasma Serum. If you're going to "supplement" doesn't it make sense to do it with something that you can't get any other way? The best source of Super Plasma Serum? Forget it. The cost is out of bounds. But BIG BLAST contains 10% super plasma serum. That's the highest amount you'll find in any commercial product. In fact, it's the only one.

#1: Mega Doses

Let's face it. You ain't Mr. Olympia. You will never be Mr. Olympia. There is no point in using mega doses. If you train hard and have your diet in check, you can make great gains on moderate dosages. Twice as much gear will not yield twice as much muscle. (It will however yield twice the side effects). Even if you're a casual lifter who is really just a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work hard and uses steroids to make it easier -- more won't do more for you. They only do so much, the excess is pissed away. And it causes damage in the process.


Responses are welcome. (Pointless insults from the pathetic AF gang are not).

Any other thing that everybody seems to love that you feel is worthless? Let us know.
 
again I respectfully but highly disagree with parts of your post nelson

especially in considerations to vet gear,I've used equipoise,trenbolone acetate,vet grade testosterone enanthate and have gotten great results without any side effects you've mentioned in another thread.

@ your "Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - has been shown to be virtually worthless is almost every bodybuilding application."

man,that was a serious stretch beyond reality.nolvadex is great to use against gynecomastia,if you think otherwise you're simply mistaken imo

I would have to say you're making huge generalizations that simply don't hold water,no offense
 
hyp1 said:
again I respectfully but highly disagree with parts of your post nelson

especially in considerations to vet gear,I've used equipoise,trenbolone acetate,vet grade testosterone enanthate and have gotten great results without any side effects you've mentioned in another thread.

nolvadex is great to use against gynecomastia,if you think otherwise you're simply mistaken imo

I would have to say you're making huge generalizations that simply don't hold water,no offense


how do you feel about the deca???

btw whats up hyp? :)
 
hey sincere81oo0:)

I would say nelson is kinda going overboard on deca durabolin too,the compound isn't that bad imo,and kickass gains can be made from using it.

does it shut you down?for most people yes it does,but that's precisely what post cycle therapy is for and measures can be taken even while on deca durabolin like getting on hcg maintenance so shut down will be kept to a minimum.
 
Responses are welcome. (Pointless insults from the pathetic AF gang are not).

Not a good way to keep some of the few of us who are on the AF board, but still try to learn something over here, Mr. Wyoming. Now we are even.
 
Nolva is very effective against gyno but 97% of the people using it would never get gyno anyway. And if you're suseptable there are plenty of ways to avoid it without having to resort to using nolvaa.

PC T is not a cure all, and what is the cure for excess progesterone? That's a big factor in the sides of Decca.
 
Nelson Montana said:
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10 Outdated and Overrated Compounds You're Better Off Without.



#10: Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - :

Said it beofe, I'll say it again -- this is the poster child for disaterous steroids. There's talk of it being elliminated completely from the legit market. If you love it, use it. But a bloating compond that causes impotence is the worst of both worlds. I just have to say I love deca I use it in all my cycles.for most people prob about 80% deca is crap but for a few of us like me its gold..I never get limp dick ever from it and I dont make the gains I make with out in a cycle.Its my test pretty much...I am still trying to figure out why this is...

#9: Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -

This was never a "first choice" drug. Teslac was always considered better. (Much like Proviron but stronger). But Teslac never caught on because of its price. Since then many other much better anti e's have come along and the effectivness of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - has been shown to be virtually worthless is almost every bodybuilding application. Yet, it will not go away. Habits, and misinformation, die hard. I would also like to say do a nice long search on the side effect of this drug..it will blow your mind

#8; Prohormones (or pro-steroids or whatever they're calling that crap these days)

Ten times the side effects and virtually none of the benefits of steroids! Woo hoo! At least it's a chemical! I'm on drugs dude! lmao I was a dumb ass back in the day I took adrosteen when it first came out.lol it worked but it was dumb then and its dumb now.

#7: Tribulus

This stuff ever really did much but it was all we had in terms of a natrual assistance to boosting T and lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - . The results were so slight they were inconsequntial. UNLEASHED actually accomplishes what Trib tried to. there is deff better stuff out there but hell I still use it all the time ill use any thing that will give me even a tiny bit more if its dont cause any health problems..its not my first chose.I dont expect to much from it but if I got the extra cash ill add it to one of my pree made caps from custom caps...still if I had to make a chose it would not be any where nere the top of my list..

#6: Vet Gear

This will be my battle cray until I'm dead and I know it'll never be completely accepted but vet gear just ain't right. Three decades into its use people still report weird side effects of which will never be answered becuase (THERE HASN'T BEEN AS SINGLE STUDY ON THE USE OF VET GEAR IN HUMANS). I just don't trust it. Yeah, yeah, trenbolone is awesome. But if you can't get good results with a good amount reasonably safer shit, you suck anyway so why bother?

#5: Nitric Oxide.

Actually not a bad supp -- overhyped for sure, but not bad for increasing pump. Newer versions are better but now that there's this... http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=918&cat=0&page=1 ... there's no use taking plain old NO2.true true no2 is old there is much better out there.

#4 DNP

If you fuck yourself up with this, you deserve what was coming to you. Harsh, but true.
yup

#3: Bridges

Stop fooling yourself. Get out and get clean. If you need something full time, go on HR T. It's 2007 for crissakes.


#2: Whey Concentrate

It's almost not even worth supplementing with whey concentrate since the BV is so weak. And that's the main ingredient in most MRP's. Any food source would be better. There are so many superior options today -- isolate, cross filtered, even whole egg is better than concentrate. And NO FOOD SOURCE has the nitrogen retention qualities of Super Plasma Serum. If you're going to "supplement" doesn't it make sense to do it with something that you can't get any other way? The best source of Super Plasma Serum? Forget it. The cost is out of bounds. But BIG BLAST contains 10% super plasma serum. That's the highest amount you'll find in any commercial product. In fact, it's the only one.
I dont know man...ill just skip this one.

#1: Mega Doses

Let's face it. You ain't Mr. Olympia. You will never be Mr. Olympia. There is no point in using mega doses. If you train hard and have your diet in check, you can make great gains on moderate dosages. Twice as much gear will not yield twice as much muscle. (It will however yield twice the side effects). Even if you're a casual lifter who is really just a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work hard and uses steroids to make it easier -- more won't do more for you. They only do so much, the excess is pissed away. And it causes damage in the process.
nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but your right


Responses are welcome. (Pointless insults from the pathetic AF gang are not).

Any other thing that everybody seems to love that you feel is worthless? Let us know.
good thread,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Cool, fab post.

I have read a few papers that have also echoed what you have just stated.

Would you put up more information about whey protein please.

I am not keen on whey isolate, it spikes insulin more that table sugar. Not great when you are dieting, possibly ok post workout.

Personally, I think people get type 2 diabetes from 'burning' out their pancreas, which is the gland that secretes insulin in response to high blood glucose levels.

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