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anyone wanna see a chick get stoned to death..

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Virtuoso said:
1. im not defending "those sick fucks" in that clip. if i saw them id break every one of their necks faster than you so don't put that garbage in my mouth.
2. they dont "routinely" use stoning as an execution method... its about as routine as polygamy and warren jeffs in the boondocks of america... only these are the boondocks of iran.
3. your source is a "national resistance of iran" website that quotes and sympathizes with mujahideen-e-khalq which happens to be a terrorist organization. not only is that garbage biased, but its also quite hypocritical dont you think?

You seem to be arguing in their defense. Not offering any proof to support your viewpoints.
Comparing Warren Jeffs to those who stone people to death is typical of your logic. Jeffs never killer anyone, and is being prosecuted for his crimes. None of the Kurdish stoners have been arrested (post a link if they have). The Iranians don't prosecute those resposible for stoning either (again post a link if they ever have).
I'm not aware that the National Reistance Of Iran is a terrorist organization. Who makes this claim besides you and Iran? Post a link to back up your claim. Here's a page of links backing up my claim that stoning is still carried out in Iran http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=mw&searchfor=stoning+in+Iran
It's not hard to back up your claims, unless they're fabricated.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Che was killed in 1967. Castro came to power in 1959. I'm not seeing your logic?


yes that's true.........from the book I read about the cuban revolution said that although Guevara "probably" wasn't interested in Castro's position, Castro was always scared that one day he would be supplanted by Guevara, and at least from a perspective of the people at that time, he was right to be scared. Castro's power, from what I've read, wasn't solidified until after Guevara's death........
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
You seem to be arguing in their defense. Not offering any proof to support your viewpoints.
Comparing Warren Jeffs to those who stone people to death is typical of your logic. Jeffs never killer anyone, and is being prosecuted for his crimes. None of the Kurdish stoners have been arrested (post a link if they have). The Iranians don't prosecute those resposible for stoning either (again post a link if they ever have).
I'm not aware that the National Reistance Of Iran is a terrorist organization. Who makes this claim besides you and Iran? Post a link to back up your claim. Here's a page of links backing up my claim that stoning is still carried out in Iran http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=mw&searchfor=stoning+in+Iran
It's not hard to back up your claims, unless they're fabricated.

no, im arguing against your absurd implication that you can't murder someone in america, but you can get away with it in an islamic country. that would make sense considering america's murder rates dwarf that of iran's.

murder is murder... you can't "get away with it" in any country.

whether the national resistance of iran is a terrorist organization isn't in my knowledge, but they sympathize with mujahideen-e-khalq, which are listed as terrorists in europe and america. if a group formed a "national resistance to america" how do you think the white house would respond to any of their claims?

iran placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002 under their commitment to article 6(2) of the international covenant on civil and political rights that death sentences will be imposed "only for the most serious crimes"

if stoning still occurs in iran it's done in rare occurances (i believe the last one was in 2004) and in small villages that still abide by shari'a law.
 
I've noted this before - when your culture has nothing to offer in this day and age but suicide or murder to see how many other people you can take down, then the value of human life has been reduced considerably.
 
heavy_duty said:
who would you stone from EF?


markshark!! He's the only one i truely despise on here. Reminds me of someone I knew in the Army who was a truely messed up individual, probably because of the wishy washy attitude he has.
 
redsamurai said:
yes that's true.........from the book I read about the cuban revolution said that although Guevara "probably" wasn't interested in Castro's position, Castro was always scared that one day he would be supplanted by Guevara, and at least from a perspective of the people at that time, he was right to be scared. Castro's power, from what I've read, wasn't solidified until after Guevara's death........
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just wanted to know where you were coming from :)
 
Virtuoso said:
no, im arguing against your absurd implication that you can't murder someone in america, but you can get away with it in an islamic country. that would make sense considering america's murder rates dwarf that of iran's.

murder is murder... you can't "get away with it" in any country.

whether the national resistance of iran is a terrorist organization isn't in my knowledge, but they sympathize with mujahideen-e-khalq, which are listed as terrorists in europe and america. if a group formed a "national resistance to america" how do you think the white house would respond to any of their claims?

iran placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002 under their commitment to article 6(2) of the international covenant on civil and political rights that death sentences will be imposed "only for the most serious crimes"

if stoning still occurs in iran it's done in rare occurances (i believe the last one was in 2004) and in small villages that still abide by shari'a law.

WTF? You're arguing against a implication I never made! I've never said you can't get away with murder in America. From 1985 to 2005 there are 8,894 unsolved murders in New York City. Imagine how many more in the whole country. I imagine every country has homicides go unsolved.
http://www.echonyc.com/~horn/restless/000177.html
In America we're still arresting and prosecuting lynch mob members from the 60's.
My point is: We have no shortage of criminals, but our society never stops trying to bring them to justice, according to the rule of law.

I'm impressed that Iran "officially" placed a moratorium on stoning, as mentioned in the links I provided. To bad the central government has little intrest in enforcing it. That's their problem though.
My problem is when they want to export this mind set to the rest of the world.
I'm out.
 
I think I understand pb's point here........he's not saying that there aren't bad people here, for sure there are........but they are considered criminals and sought after to put in jail. Now, in all fairness.......it wasn't that long ago that we were stringing people up in trees for the crime of being colored and drinking from the wrong fountain........so we certainly have our past to be ashamed about. But what I think he's getting at, and I somewhat agree with him........is that in the middle east there seems to be a certain compliance with what we saw in that video. And I don't think it's just these "yazidi" kurds.......I've heard stories of muslims girls being beaten and raped for falling in love with a christian boy........yet when a christian girl fell in love with a muslim boy from a neighboring village......the muslims basically told the christians to get lost when they came for the girl, who was like 14 or 15. Muslims have an incredible double standard.........but religion will do that to you........no religion is recused from that. It's just that at the present time..........the middle east is a boiling pot, so it makes everything look worse. Frankly, all religion should be outlawed IMO.........or at the very least kept on such a tight leash that it never pervades governance. Once religion get's it's filthy little paws into governing bodies.......it's all over. Ration and reason get supplanted by secular doctrine..........and it's happening in the U.S as we speak.
 
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