Anne Heche was crazy while gay.

[Weapon X]

This great quote by Jonah Goldberg sums up the issue of "homophobia" for me.

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The Left has defined anything critical of (for want of a better phrase) "the gay-rights agenda" or "gay culture" as homophobia. Homophobia leads to hatred, the argument goes, and hatred to violence. What a coup! There are things about African-American culture I do not love. I am not afraid of, nor do I hate, African Americans. And I am fundamentally opposed to any form of racially motivated violence against black people---for any reason. There are things about Japanese culture I think are downright terrible (brutal mysogyny being one), but I don't hate the people. There are things about the Chinese I think all Americans should deplore. Does this make me a "Sinophobe"?

The exaggerated definition of homophobia is a brilliant and cynical ploy to close off any reasonable debate. I am against gay marriage. I am troubled by gay adoption. If I say so, does this mean that I am encouraging morons to kill gay people? Just a few years ago, black civil rights leaders adamantly opposed white people adopting black children on the grounds that it was "cultural genocide." Did the phone lines light up with people charging "Caucaso-phobia"---even though this view was reflected in national law? While I think homophobia is a smear word, I am beginning to think that homophilia makes a lot of sense when describing how the Left views gays. For the Left, when was the last time anything was wrong with anything gays do?

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg101698.html

 

[Badkins21]

Bull69: I never get into these discussions, either, because I do not want to be looked at as a true "bigot," but I 1)believe that homosexuality is abnormal, and 2)that the movement towards 'acceptance" is *part* of the reason for the degradation of the moral fabric (respect for family) in this country.

I don't believe it's natural, due to the inability to procreate.

I believe that *some* (like WeaponX said, he, nor I, is trying to "explain" being gay, or why they are) gay people are most likely NOT really gay...

There's my two cents, I'm sure I'll catch hell for this, but so be it...

It seems like I get more conservative as I get closer to having children of my own...

 

[danielson]

danielson: They go "ape shit," as you put it, because most NORMAL Americans think seeing to human beings of the same sex kiss is fuckin' gross...IMO.

well i think showing same sex kisses uring the pre watershed times (i.e. befroe sexual contact is allowed to be shown) is very bad as kids shoudlnt have to see that.

however take ally mc beal. same sex kiss. so much contreversy. allmcsqueal goes out at a late time and deals with transexuals etc....whats a same sex kiss gonna do.

ill admit when i see 2 men kiss half the time ill look and think of something else, the other times i look away...if its a gross one...its just me..im not disgusted by it particularly but seeing grown men make out doesnt really interest me at all. 2 women....well then my trousers are round my ankles

over here (europe) provided its at an appropriate time then its accepted. but it doesnt happen a lot. just movies, the odd tv series etc....men2men kisses dont happen much as well, only one comes to mind and that was gross

 

[Badkins21]

danielson: I'm LOL...two men=gross, but two women=WOO-HOO!!

LOL, LOL...

 

[danielson]

still u cant have double standards....i think it should be allowed. i just dont have to get off on it

the type opf program i was shocked about was asking young kids (14-18) about attitudes to sex etc....like the ho's an man-ho's they wre most of them had done something sexual ( ) but then the question of same sex kisses came up (they were a group of friends)...all of them (male and female) had made out/done stuff with this one chick (who tried to maintain they were all crap ) but then they asked all the guys if they had done anything same sex.

most of them said they had. its not the fact they said they did but

a) they tried to maintain they were completely straight
b) the show attempted to say this was how the whole country is (or suggested it)
c) they implied (the kids + editing) that this was all normal 'experimentation'
d) they maintained they were straight!!!

wtf!!
i have nooo problem that 2 guys made out. but....dont make out its the norm for 2 straight guys to make out on a whim...it isnt. if theyave homesexual urges then ok but i can seriously see some twit embarrasing himself by making out with his best bud then both realsing that this is jus 'ewwww'. and it isnt experimentation. if u have an urge go for it if ur brave enough. dont try and pass it off as everything a boy should do when growing up.

thankfully one of the guys there did adit he was at least bi-sexual for him to wanna ake out with other guys. im sure the program was edited to be shocking as it was presented as an insight into out teens.

im opposed to that.

(btw the exact same thing applies to the girls there. they should have mentioned it there civic duty to video the event and let all their male friends watch it)