Androgel - What was the results? Worth it?

[jagerbombme]

Do I understand you to say your total cholesterol is 113, your LDL is 60 and HDL cholesterol is 43? Wow.

Okay, remember I said I'm no expert, and I'm just bouncing ideas but I wonder if it's the fact your levels are SO low ... hormones are transported by cholesterol. There were a few studies linking some anxiety problems and low cholesterol ... PACs (which is what you're having) have been linked to anxiety issues.

yes, total 113.

2 yrs ago 185
janurary 2007 160
this weekend 113

it's from cardio, and good diet.

i think i'm gonna get on some inject b12 or bcomplex. i am gonna go see a cardiologist. i do have anxiety. maybe this is all anxiety. maybe i just need a good anxiety medicine. i don't like xanax because it makes me tired and not want to do anything. maybe there's something that doesn't make you tired but keeps you chilled out?

 

[musclemom]

yes, total 113.

2 yrs ago 185
janurary 2007 160
this weekend 113

it's from cardio, and good diet.

i think i'm gonna get on some inject b12 or bcomplex. i am gonna go see a cardiologist. i do have anxiety. maybe this is all anxiety. maybe i just need a good anxiety medicine. i don't like xanax because it makes me tired and not want to do anything. maybe there's something that doesn't make you tired but keeps you chilled out?

B vitamins can help if you think you may be deficient. I've found some herbal supplements but you can't take it constantly. If you're constantly anxious (and never used to be) there has to be a cause.

As to your cholesterol, like I said, that is a dramatic drop, in fact that is EXTREMELY low. Honestly, I'm not criticizing, I'm astounded at what you've done, but I'm seriously wondering if your cholesterol isn't too low, particularly since you're creating an increased demand for it when you run cycles (which may explain why you get more anxiety symptoms then). We actually need cholesterol in our bodies, it transports hormones. Only so much hormone can be transported on so much cholesterol so there might be a supply/demand problem going on.

But with levels as low as yours ... don't take my word for it, I'm not making this up, look (and this article is just an example):

http://www.ctds.info/low_cholesterol.html

Just google "low cholesterol" and anxiety, you get gobs of hits.

If you don't have cardiac disease in your immediate family you don't need to maintain levels that low, and anything below 160 is considered extremely low. It's especially not good to have your LDL as low as it is, believe it or not, it sort of defeats having overall low numbers, anyway.

I know you were taking fish oil and I think you stopped it but you may want to try adding nuts or avocados or something. Just for shits and giggles before I'd go on an antianxiolytic I'd try to get my cholesterol numbers into a more normal range.

Short and sweet, Jager, our brains NEED fat, seriously.

 

[jagerbombme]

B vitamins can help if you think you may be deficient. I've found some herbal supplements but you can't take it constantly. If you're constantly anxious (and never used to be) there has to be a cause.

As to your cholesterol, like I said, that is a dramatic drop, in fact that is EXTREMELY low. Honestly, I'm not criticizing, I'm astounded at what you've done, but I'm seriously wondering if your cholesterol isn't too low, particularly since you're creating an increased demand for it when you run cycles (which may explain why you get more anxiety symptoms then). We actually need cholesterol in our bodies, it transports hormones. Only so much hormone can be transported on so much cholesterol so there might be a supply/demand problem going on.

But with levels as low as yours ... don't take my word for it, I'm not making this up, look (and this article is just an example):

http://www.ctds.info/low_cholesterol.html

Just google "low cholesterol" and anxiety, you get gobs of hits.

If you don't have cardiac disease in your immediate family you don't need to maintain levels that low, and anything below 160 is considered extremely low. It's especially not good to have your LDL as low as it is, believe it or not, it sort of defeats having overall low numbers, anyway.

I know you were taking fish oil and I think you stopped it but you may want to try adding nuts or avocados or something. Just for shits and giggles before I'd go on an antianxiolytic I'd try to get my cholesterol numbers into a more normal range.

Short and sweet, Jager, our brains NEED fat, seriously.

i see what your saying but i eat peanutbutter all the time, i eat peanut butter, red meat, eggs everyday. almonds, walnuts. i eat quite bit of fat. i donno. thanks, ill read that article.

 

[nemesis 2027]

I meant to post sooner than this, but I wasn't sure where to begin. It was a rough start and I'm finally settling into the stuff now. Started last Fri. 10/26 with 5 mgs (4 pumps daily). All I can say is OMFG.. I felt similar to jager with the racing heart rate, heartbeat felt in breathing, elevated bp, numbness and tingling in face, hands, arms and legs, hot sweats, cold sweats, and really thought I was being poisoned or something, but the worst feeling was uncontrollable anxiety which lead to 3 nearly sleepless nights. I tried to battle the nights with ambien, which actually made things worse.. I missed 1/2 day of work yesterday morning as I was really feeling like crap from head to toe. Not a good start for sure. Also balls were also feeling strange off and on during this time.

I couldn't believe I was such a wuss to get sides from a fricken low dose gel!!

Just when I was about to throw in the towel yesterday, I had read somewhere on the net about others who had similar starts with the gel, and that it took up to a week until their bodies "balanced out". I also read what musclemom had written about the cholesteral transporting hormones, and I tried a friggen crazy experiment last night. I had been on a fairly low fat diet the last couple of months, and decided to shake things up last night by eating one of my old favorite late night snacks, tostitos chips with1/3 lb shredded melted cojack cheese and a bowl of salsa. I also threw in my xanax (script) to lower the anxiety, and avoided the sleep meds.. It worked for the most part.. Just like in the past (when I ate similar most every night) I was nodding off about 30 mins after eating that 'little' snack. I didn't quite make it all night without waking, but it was 200 % better than the last 3 nights prior.

Now, today I am feeling much better and the symptoms/sides have subsided greatly. Not gone entirely but far more tolerable. I don't honestly know if the crazy snack experiment did it, or if it was just the timing of my chemistry 'normalizing', but I cannot eat like that every night, or even any more, and meet my goals.. lol

Anyway, I'll be staying the course with the gel, and get blood work done in about 5 weeks from now. That's what the Dr. asked for. At that point I'll see if this is working for me, and if I plan to continue with it, or try and upgrade with test injects.

If this is working at getting my test in the 'upper' normal levels, I'll be considering adding short cycles of d.bol, or longer cycles of V.ar to see what effect that may have with strength increases, or mass or lean muscle gains.

This has been a good thread with a lot of great info. It 'helped' got me through the 3 days and nights of hell, and I for one am grateful there are so many helpful people on this forum.

 

[MillionBillion]

Using androgel on your scrotal skin will give you the best absorption (by far) and the highest spike in sex drive because of the increased 5a-reductase activity in this area (DHT production)

-Pp

You're rubbing it on your balls?