Androgel - What was the results? Worth it?

[jagerbombme]

Yep, when I used it, I applied it to my sack. BEWARE - it burns like a mofo!

holy ffuck


did it work though?

 

[Para_Shoot]

My question is, if you only use a 2.5gram packet a day of androgel, will it stop natural test production or will it suppress natural test production a little bit?

 

[PWTurbofan]

holy ffuck


did it work though?

N'ah, not for me. My T levels before HRT were 390. After 6 weeks of AndroGel, I was at 310. And i was shutdown - L.H and F.S.H were zero. I was applying one packet to my upper arms, and one packet to my boys.

200mg test-cy.p ew raised my levels to over 600 (I can't remember the exact number).

 

[Primordial Performance]

My question is, if you only use a 2.5gram packet a day of androgel, will it stop natural test production or will it suppress natural test production a little bit?

Yeah, one packet will probably shut most guys down about 90%.

-Pp

 

[nemesis 2027]

Ok, here's my situation. After all the threads (and reality) on how lean things are now, trying to get a legal script, telling the Dr. what I really want to help me, based on the fact my total test is 310, I went in today and pleaded my case. He pulls out the PDR (physicians desk reference) book and we start to talk. He understood my concerns, but wasn't comfortable with any orals, and no injections unless I was under 240.

The best I could get from him was 5 gms androgel lotion (pump bottle I was told, script is at the pharm now) at 4 (1.25 gm) pumps per day. That's all he was comfortable with at this point, but I go in for a blood test in two months, and if it's still low, he'll up it to the max dose of 10 gms ed.

So now I get back to reading this thread and seeing that this stuff is shit. no good, etc.. He said it would "raise the test reasonably and improve the effectiveness of the test it is supplying" he also said that "it is not very suppressive if at all."

So my questions are:
*Why would it (androgel) be manufactured and prescribed for men (older in my case) with low test if it did not work?
*Does it work for some but not others?
*Is it more of a boost for long term therapy?
*Anyone have any other concrete studies or evidence that it is totally ineffective?

Thanks.

PS. The website he gave me to look up the manufactures guide and pharmacuetical info is pretty informative, and unless they are all full of shit, it seems like it will work for it's intended purpose.

 

[nemesis 2027]

N'ah, not for me. My T levels before HRT were 390. After 6 weeks of AndroGel, I was at 310. And i was shutdown - L.H and F.S.H were zero. I was applying one packet to my upper arms, and one packet to my boys.

200mg test-cy.p ew raised my levels to over 600 (I can't remember the exact number).

I was concerned after your post and honesty so I called the customer service people at 'Androgel' and explained 'the situation' (I called it a friends experience).

The c/s person said without knowing any other chemicals or supplements my friend had been using along with the androgel, that what you experienced was in fact normal. "Because it is a therapy for low natural test, it is to be ongoing, and the long lasting increase in test that aids in lean muscle mass production will not fully take place until 12 weeks of use and forward." This is not a short term use chem at all. Seems there is a cumulative effect to this stuff. "It has to balance out in your system before it's totally effective."
"If you stop the treatment you drop back down to your natural test level within 5 days."

I asked directly if it was suppressive and he said "not in most individuals" (kinda vague) but again he said "it is dependent on other chemicals or hormone levels in the person using it". He said of course on going blood work is also needed to accurately measure where a person is at with all related levels.

I also asked about genital application and was told "that may (sounded like will) greatly increase the risk of suppressive action." "It is not recommended and warned against applying in the genital area."

So just like so many other types of supps, gear, chems, etc.. it would appear that this has a definite place, but may not work for everyone the way that they want it too. I will be trying it, and will post results. I guess that's the only way I'll find out if it works for me. Hope this info helps.

 

[PWTurbofan]

Ok, here's my situation. After all the threads (and reality) on how lean things are now, trying to get a legal script, telling the Dr. what I really want to help me, based on the fact my total test is 310, I went in today and pleaded my case. He pulls out the PDR (physicians desk reference) book and we start to talk. He understood my concerns, but wasn't comfortable with any orals, and no injections unless I was under 240.

The best I could get from him was 5 gms androgel lotion (pump bottle I was told, script is at the pharm now) at 4 (1.25 gm) pumps per day. That's all he was comfortable with at this point, but I go in for a blood test in two months, and if it's still low, he'll up it to the max dose of 10 gms ed.

So now I get back to reading this thread and seeing that this stuff is shit. no good, etc.. He said it would "raise the test reasonably and improve the effectiveness of the test it is supplying" he also said that "it is not very suppressive if at all."

So my questions are:
*Why would it (androgel) be manufactured and prescribed for men (older in my case) with low test if it did not work?
*Does it work for some but not others?
*Is it more of a boost for long term therapy?
*Anyone have any other concrete studies or evidence that it is totally ineffective?

Thanks.

PS. The website he gave me to look up the manufactures guide and pharmacuetical info is pretty informative, and unless they are all full of shit, it seems like it will work for it's intended purpose.

I don't think AndroGel is ineffective as a drug in general. I know someone else on the gel, and his levels were raised to the 600s. For me, however, it just didn't work. My pre-HRT level of 390 was better than where I was after 6 weeks of the gel (310). Also, even on 200mg cy.p ew (the max dosage), my levels were only raised into the 600s. I've read where other guys taking 100mg injections are raised into the 800-1100 range.

The only way to know if it works for you is to try it and get bloodwork after 6-8 weeks.

Your doc's statement that AndroGel isn't suppressive is puzzling. For me, 10g of the gel everyday was totally (100%) suppressive after 6 weeks, as indicated by my L.H and F.S.H levels. I would think that as long as your body was capable of producing some testosterone, it is also capable of being shutdown with the introduction of exogenous T. In the end, however, suppression really shouldn't matter; you're really only suppressing a system that wasn't fully productive to begin with. In general, HRT is for life.

 

[nemesis 2027]

I don't think AndroGel is ineffective as a drug in general. I know someone else on the gel, and his levels were raised to the 600s. For me, however, it just didn't work. My pre-HRT level of 390 was better than where I was after 6 weeks of the gel (310). Also, even on 200mg cy.p ew (the max dosage), my levels were only raised into the 600s. I've read where other guys taking 100mg injections are raised into the 800-1100 range.

The only way to know if it works for you is to try it and get bloodwork after 6-8 weeks.

Your doc's statement that AndroGel isn't suppressive is puzzling. For me, 10g of the gel everyday was totally (100%) suppressive after 6 weeks, as indicated by my L.H and F.S.H levels. I would think that as long as your body was capable of producing some testosterone, it is also capable of being shutdown with the introduction of exogenous T. In the end, however, suppression really shouldn't matter; you're really only suppressing a system that wasn't fully productive to begin with. In general, HRT is for life.

No argument with that bro, I'm just stating what the DR. and the manufacturer told me about the suppressive nature. Like I mentioned, the Androgel c/s guy said "not in most individuals", but did not say all.

I totally agree that it is "HRT for life" and it is marketed as such. I am hopeful that I will get results like the other person you know in the 600 range, because that's all I would need to meet my percieved goals of building slow lean muscle and burning some fat along the way. If it's a life long treatment, so be it, and it beats the hell out of EAS or Twin Lab products..

But if it doesn't work, I think he'll be more open to something further.. At least the door is open at this point. Thanks for the info, and wish me luck!

 

[Primordial Performance]

So my questions are:

*Why would it (androgel) be manufactured and prescribed for men (older in my case) with low test if it did not work?

One 5gm tube “works” for getting most men into the very low normal range. In some cases, it can actually lower your testosterone level because it suppresses your body’s own production, without supplying enough T to bring levels up to what you maintain naturally. Most doctors find that men often need (2) 5gm tubes everyday in order to get T levels to a satisfactory high-normal range. (700-800ng/dl) At this point it becomes quite an expensive option if you don’t have insurance.

If your levels are already in the mid-normal range, and you simply want a T boost, then you should consider more natural options that will make your body produce more of its own T production, (ie. Derma Sustain) rather than just taking a low dose of testosterone. (which will basically replace your current levels unless you use enough to push you beyond your current point)

*Does it work for some but not others?

Right, it does work better for some men. Many factors can influence what ng/dl result you get from a tube of Androgel. IE. androgen metabolism, body temp, skin thickness, other drugs, skin permeability, ect.

*Is it more of a boost for long term therapy?

Actualy, it eventually becomes less effective because the skin builds a resistence to permeation. This mostly has to do with Androgel using a high concentration of alcohol which tends to dry the skin at a micro level… thus making it harder for hormones to pass the skin.

*Anyone have any other concrete studies or evidence that it is totally ineffective?

Again, its not totally ineffective, but for what it is, it’s very overpriced. Testosterone, alcohol, and thickener cost pennies, yet the pharm companies sell each packet of this stuff for an outrageous $$$ amount. Men often notice more benefit from Dermacrine, and spend half as much.

-Pp

 

[PWTurbofan]

No argument with that bro, I'm just stating what the DR. and the manufacturer told me about the suppressive nature. Like I mentioned, the Androgel c/s guy said "not in most individuals", but did not say all.

I totally agree that it is "HRT for life" and it is marketed as such. I am hopeful that I will get results like the other person you know in the 600 range, because that's all I would need to meet my percieved goals of building slow lean muscle and burning some fat along the way. If it's a life long treatment, so be it, and it beats the hell out of EAS or Twin Lab products..

But if it doesn't work, I think he'll be more open to something further.. At least the door is open at this point. Thanks for the info, and wish me luck!

Definitely broly - good luck and keep us posted. In the end, guaranteed US pharma grade test is a good deal, especially if you can get insurance to foot the bill.