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ALA Hype: Gaining, cutting, or what?

BackDoc said:
That's also my understanding that both R and S enantiomers of ALA in equal amounts constitute the racemic mix. I guess the racemic mix could possibly be a meso compound or other isomer, but I guess it does not matter. This is the limit of my understanding as I have long forgotten the advanced basics.

Interestingly, I have unknowingly preferred the R-enantiomer of ALA for weight loss (determined from the C of A from Jarrow) and I have not linked the structure's chirality with success with fat loss/muscle glucose effects. However, I have noted with some brands I need to take considerably higher doses to create the same effect. It seems to make sense about the R-enantiomer as one supporting data demonstrates (Am J Physiol 1997 Jul;273(1 Pt 1):E185-91). Here is the link to the study, as it may be of some interest:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9252495&dopt=Abstract


I have not examined many brands of ALA to find out which are the R-enantiomers... I also must admit that I am not a very credible source for the range of therapeutic uses and ALA, so I would be no good except to see what I can dig up.

Good thoughts, thanks for the information -- it could very well be a quantity of ingestion issue. Luckily, there's S-type available cheap enough to take in large doses. I do believe that S-type is prevalent in the supplement industry (probably due to raw costs). Being a natural skeptic, manufacturer's certificates don't always mean it's so -- but in the absecence of tests, that (and results) is all one has to go on...

Maybe you could explain your dosing protocol for some of the guys that are interested in losing weight without going into ketosis? Also, aside from BMI tests, the scale and mirror, would there be any tests readily available and home administratable that one could take to tell if they're in a favorable glycemic state (outside of ketosis)?
 
I started with relatively low doses of ALA the other day (600mg). I'm fairly confident that is the only significant change I have made to my daily regimen, but since, everything smells and tastes funny. The same thing happened when I started taking MSM and when I went on a weird herbal 'detox'regimen for allergies some years back. It's been like this for 3 days. Result of ALA? or should I be looking for other culprits?
 
Naxis said:
I started with relatively low doses of ALA the other day (600mg). I'm fairly confident that is the only significant change I have made to my daily regimen, but since, everything smells and tastes funny. The same thing happened when I started taking MSM and when I went on a weird herbal 'detox'regimen for allergies some years back. It's been like this for 3 days. Result of ALA? or should I be looking for other culprits?

Is it giving everything a slightly acidic taste/smell? That's probably the ALA. One thing's for sure, your urine will stink to high heaven when megadosing.
 
i'm new here although i have been watching the board for about a week. i have been attempting to cut up for the summer. first of all i started working out seriously and dieting about 2 months ago. at the time my stats were

5'8"
158 Lbs
16.6 % bf
34 inch waist

I started watching my diet...eating low cal/low fat foods and doing cardio 3-4 days per week as well as weight training about 3 times a week and was able to take off about 10 lbs and 2 inches off my waist

my stats now are

5'8"
148-149 Lbs
? BF
32 inch waist

now i have been reading that the way to get rid of those last few stubborn pounds of fat is to limit your carb intake...so for the past week or so i have been limiting myself to about 100 grams of carbs per day. from what it sounds like around here thats still a pretty moderate level. I was reading up on the supplement ALA and it sounds like it may be able to help me. i was wondering if you continue to use ALA on your carb up days? from what i understand you want to use the ALA to keep yourself in ketosis, correct? my goal is to get to around 9-10 % bf...just enuff to be able to shamelssly take my shirt off at the beach this summer. any help would be appreciated. sorry if this has been beat to death in the past but these were specific questions that i couldn't find answers to when i did a search

thanks
 
THeMaCHinE said:
Maybe you could explain your dosing protocol for some of the guys that are interested in losing weight without going into ketosis? Also, aside from BMI tests, the scale and mirror, would there be any tests readily available and home administratable that one could take to tell if they're in a favorable glycemic state (outside of ketosis)?

I don't really have a protocol for being outside of ketosis, however, fat loss can easily occur, although somewhat more slowly while on ALA just this side of the ketosis. IMO the higher doses are more for muscle preservation (reduced glycation) than for fat loss, however, low and moderate doses should allow at least some of the increased protein uptake of glucose. So at least the fat loss appears to occur as a result of reduced fat storage of intake rather than removal and conversion of excess fat.

Generally my protocol is that exercise is the higher the bodyfat content the lesser dose of ALA needed to create beneficial effect. However, not less in terms of dose needed for similar physiological reaction but less in terms of compared to a higher dose. The insulin response, or lack thereof, is IMO beneficial enough to warrant safe, long term fat loss in obese individuals. This has been suggested to occur at 600 mg within a time frame. More appears not to be of any benefit insofar as insulin effect is concerned. However, since the last few pounds are the hardest to lose and thus the higher dose might be a better option since the body will hold on to the last pounds.

Basically, a moderate dose of ALA will affect how ingested food is processed related to fat storage. Higher doses appear to affect the degree of muscle glucose uptake.

Of course this is nothing you're not already familiar with.

A blood glucose meter can help ascertain effect of ALA on general insulin. The limiting factor is determining a baseline. Preferred is a fasting blood glucose test and a post prandial blood glucose reading before starting ALA. Then it may be measured in intervals to determine how fast it takes for ALA to effect a change from baseline. Other than that, which is obviously a cost and hassle issue, the means you described is what I have used.
 
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