ALA Hype: Gaining, cutting, or what?

[Scatocephalus]

Using Powdered Form

I found 50 grams for $16.50 at Beyond A Century but in the description it states, "Powder form has an unpleasant “burn” taste."

I can handle the taste but do I just mix this in water and gulp? Can I mix it in my protein shake and drink it down? Also, if I am eating 6 times a day will 500 mgs per meal work (3 grams per day) or should I go with 1 gram per meal? That would be 6 grams a day!

How would using ALA in conjunction with 1-AD and/or 4-AD work?

Thanks!! This sounds like pretty amazing stuff.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Re: Using Powdered Form

I found 50 grams for $16.50 at Beyond A Century but in the description it states, "Powder form has an unpleasant “burn” taste."

I can handle the taste but do I just mix this in water and gulp? Can I mix it in my protein shake and drink it down? Also, if I am eating 6 times a day will 500 mgs per meal work (3 grams per day) or should I go with 1 gram per meal? That would be 6 grams a day!

How would using ALA in conjunction with 1-AD and/or 4-AD work?

Thanks!! This sounds like pretty amazing stuff.

I use the BAC brand; the burn is not that bad. Just put however many (250 mg) scoops in your mouth, take a swig of water mix it up and swallow, follow it with a few more gulps of water...

6 grams is overkill. LD (lethal dose) is 30 (although, I've heard some say 50; the only studies I could find supported the LD30, but they were extrapolated from animals). Stay in the 2500 - 3500 mg/day range; just take more with more carby meals; buy the ketostix to judge how much is enough. Anybody doing anything else is just guessing -- why waste the time, effort and money? For an extra $8 you can be sure you're doing it the right way; plus it's a nice motivation tool to see those little strips turn pink to purple -- lets you know you're on-track.

I would expect that the AD products would help maintain muscle mass, but a ketogenic environment is probably not the most favorable for growing new muscle -- I don't know give it a try... You may consider doing the PH cycle first, coming of with an anti-e and starting the ALA a week or two after the end of the PH cycle to cut...

Like I said above, psyllium husk (for bad fat binge days) and 50-100mgs/day of 5HTP would be good additions to an ALA stack. PHs might be cool, I'm not sure...

 

[THeMaCHinE]

What type of dosages would be good for like 200-300 grams of carbs a day. I'm not interested in going into ketosis, just want to cut.....

I'm not sure how significantly it will help you cut without going into ketosis, although I know it works for some, so I can't comment on dosage with your stated goal. If your in the same size range as me, I'd guess about 1500 mgs/day split over all of your meals.

I go between 200-300 carbs/day most of the time, and I've found that I need to be in the 2500 mg-3500mg/day range to stay consistently in trace (or better) ketosis. Effects have been dramatic to say the least once that state was acheived.

If you want to cut, why not go into ketosis? With the ALA and high protein intake, you don't lose any muscle, you just lose fat...fast...

 

[Scatocephalus]

The more I read...

OK, here's some more questions for you. In one of the other posts it is brought to light that there are two different types of ALA. R-(+)-ALA and S-(-)-ALA of which the R-(+)-ALA is preferable.

I am curious to know if those having success are in fact using this type. If so, where are they getting it. What brands/suppliers are being utilized? This question seems to have been totally ignored by Fonz and others in previous threads. Cheap ALA (Beyond A Century) does us no good if it doesn't work.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Re: The more I read...

OK, here's some more questions for you. In one of the other posts it is brought to light that there are two different types of ALA. R-(+)-ALA and S-(-)-ALA of which the R-(+)-ALA is preferable.

I am curious to know if those having success are in fact using this type. If so, where are they getting it. What brands/suppliers are being utilized? This question seems to have been totally ignored by Fonz and others in previous threads. Cheap ALA (Beyond A Century) does us no good if it doesn't work.

I know that the BAC ALA works for a fact because I've been in ketosis for over two weeks while ingesting 200+ grams of carbs per day. That don't just happen my friend. A lot of other guys have been getting great results too. The S-type is (as I remember) the only type available OTC in the U.S. anyway.

Yeah, I remember seeing this question rise in one of the threads; and I can't remember the exact explanation that ended up being given, but the author misread some things, and placed a great overemphasis on the difference between the two. It ended up being a non-issue.

 

[BackDoc]

Just my input: the R-enantiomer variety of ALA may be purchased from Jarrow. Seems there are several applications where one enantiomer is better than the others. If anyone has info showing that the R, S or racemic mixture is associated moreso in conjunction with glycation and/or for glucose uptake then the problem of purpose respective: "muscle pump" vs. "fat loss" may possibly have a solution.

Better living through stereochemistry.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Just my input: the R-enantiomer variety of ALA may be purchased from Jarrow. Seems there are several applications where one enantiomer is better than the others. If anyone has info showing that the R, S or racemic mixture is associated moreso in conjunction with glycation and/or for glucose uptake then the problem of purpose respective: "muscle pump" vs. "fat loss" may possibly have a solution.

Better living through stereochemistry.

Thanks for clearing that up -- I couldn't clearly remember the details; can you remember specifically what the R-type was better at, and to what degree? As I remember, there wasn't a huge difference...

Also, racemic=a homogenous blend of S and R types, correct?

 

[BackDoc]

That's also my understanding that both R and S enantiomers of ALA in equal amounts constitute the racemic mix. I guess the racemic mix could possibly be a meso compound or other isomer, but I guess it does not matter. This is the limit of my understanding as I have long forgotten the advanced basics.

Interestingly, I have unknowingly preferred the R-enantiomer of ALA for weight loss (determined from the C of A from Jarrow) and I have not linked the structure's chirality with success with fat loss/muscle glucose effects. However, I have noted with some brands I need to take considerably higher doses to create the same effect. It seems to make sense about the R-enantiomer as one supporting data demonstrates (Am J Physiol 1997 Jul;273(1 Pt 1):E185-91). Here is the link to the study, as it may be of some interest:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9252495&dopt=Abstract


I have not examined many brands of ALA to find out which are the R-enantiomers... I also must admit that I am not a very credible source for the range of therapeutic uses and ALA, so I would be no good except to see what I can dig up.

 

[beastboy]

Re: Re: The more I read...

BAC ALA

Do you have a website where I can get this???

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Re: Re: Re: The more I read...

Do you have a website where I can get this???

https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/web_store.cgi