A Supplement That's Rarely Mentioned

[Nelson Montana]

Sure, another fat loss product. WHat else is new? Well, it isn;t new, but it's one of the best.

DId you know that caffeine (the main ingredient in most fat burners) actually SPARES FAT. Yep, the body doesn't utilize carbs for energy when using caffeine. That's because it's a drug and there's no need for the body to rely on anything else.

Now caffeine products have their place. They provide energy which means you can do a harder workout and therefore burn more calories. But you want your thyroid -- the REAL fat burning furnace -- to do its job day and night.

So check it out --ZIP! http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=108&cat=0&page=1

Even you use a thermo you like, adding ZIP will increase the fat loss without burning out your nervous system or hoarding carbs.

 

[CoBra666]

dang, might have to check this out. but might i mean will*

 

[jwalifts]

Seems interesting enough. Anyone else have some feedback on it from personal experience?

 

[bakemeacookie]

yeah if it's just been released - I do'nt know how those reviews on that link got there. Odd. But i'm curious if it will really boost thyroid levels. Kinda expensive, so hard to spend that money not knowing if it'll wok.

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[axismundi]

Awesome

 

[s18]

I've taken this before, I dropped 5lbs of fat and about 1.5" in my waist without really changing anything in my diet or exercise routine, the price is a bit steep for me when you include the Canadian shipping cost though.

 

[jwalifts]

yeah if it's just been released - I do'nt know how those reviews on that link got there. Odd. But i'm curious if it will really boost thyroid levels. Kinda expensive, so hard to spend that money not knowing if it'll wok.

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I had similar thoughts. The price is a bit too steep for my taste (especially without knowing if it works) but perhaps that's because it's the manufacturer's price? I'll google it later to see what I find review and price wise. I could always use a great fat burner.

 

[bakemeacookie]

I had similar thoughts. The price is a bit too steep for my taste (especially without knowing if it works) but perhaps that's because it's the manufacturer's price? I'll google it later to see what I find review and price wise. I could always use a great fat burner.

Well I purchased it only becuase I have a lot of respect for Nelson. I will definately post up a good review if it works. I've always wanted something to boost my thryoid cuz I feel i've always felt i've been a bit hypo. Weight never falls off easily.

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[CoBra666]

yeh, Nelson is one guy whose word i would follow pretty much blindly. him and Nate. although a stim that doesnt effect the cns would be pretty sweet. ima give it a go. i wanna stock up on dx7 as well seeing as orbit never has it. its weird that ntbm has lower prices than PF for PF products. bastards

 

[bakemeacookie]

Yeah i'm confused though why Zip is on PF but not on NTBM. Odd.

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[Nelson Montana]

Yeah i'm confused though why Zip is on PF but not on NTBM. Odd.

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Honestly, ZIP wasn't a big seller for a long time because the concept was too advanced for most casual fitness people. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's the thyroid that burns fat, not the nervous system. But people like to feel that JOLT they get from stims. It makes them feel as if it's working. (ZIP has a slight energizing effect but not nearly as jacked up as the high caffeine products).

However, ZIP has slowly gained momentum and gotten more attention and now is one of proteinfactory's biggest sellers. Guys who are in it for the long run like the fact that the fast loss is more permanent.

 

[bakemeacookie]

Honestly, ZIP wasn't a big seller for a long time because the concept was too advanced for most casual fitness people. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's the thyroid that burns fat, not the nervous system. But people like to feel that JOLT they get from stims. It makes them feel as if it's working. (ZIP has a slight energizing effect but not nearly as jacked up as the high caffeine products).

However, ZIP has slowly gained momentum and gotten more attention and now is one of proteinfactory's biggest sellers. Guys who are in it for the long run like the fact that the fast loss is more permanent.

Kewl. Yeah hope Zip! works - just 3x a day is kinda annoying, having to lug pills around me all day. It'll be hard to tell if it works - i guess weighing myself wil tell the story.

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[Deltoid_87]

I hate caffeine. Fucks with my nervous system.

 

[CoBra666]

yo Nelson, is there a restriction on how long it can be ran for? if its actually beneficial to the thyroid would it be good to do the first week at 5 servings per day then finish off at 3 servings, then have a 2nd bottle ran as the other ends continued at 3 servings per day for the extra month?

 

[Nelson Montana]

yo Nelson, is there a restriction on how long it can be ran for? if its actually beneficial to the thyroid would it be good to do the first week at 5 servings per day then finish off at 3 servings, then have a 2nd bottle ran as the other ends continued at 3 servings per day for the extra month?

I recommend starting with a lower dose, (4 a day) then building up to 8 a day. After a month or so you can cut back to a maintenance dosage of 4. Just don't take it right before bed. The Tyrosine gives a little "alertness" that can interfere with winding down.

 

[CoBra666]

cool big guy. def gonna order some soon wit dx7. going into fat burner mode here right now. gotta 12 week natty/sarms stack. and this should put the icing on the cake. just gettin off a 2yr injury session so got a little meat to burn off

 

[bakemeacookie]

I wonder how this compares with n2bm's T-3 product. Isn't taking t3 better? Must be safe if it's sold online.

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[CoBra666]

i was looking at that one too. just gonna have to research all the ingredients and shit, and the mechanisms of how they work.. or just buy both lol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I wonder how this compares with n2bm's T-3 product. Isn't taking t3 better? Must be safe if it's sold online.

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Just to clarify, T-3 PCT is NOT Cytomel! Cytomel is synthetic T-3 and a prescription drug.

T-3 PCT is what the title suggests -- a PCT for after T-3 use. It contains Vit B 12, folic acid, copper, zinc, aswaghanda and red pepper -- all good stuff that helps restore healthy thyroid function after it's been shut down.

ZIP! is more of a full time non-suppressive thyroid stimulant which has a direct effect on thyroid output and fat loss by boosting natural T3 and T4, whereas T3-PCT is more for recovery from a suppressed thyroid after using thyroid meds. Both are good and both can be used together. It depends on what you're looking for and what suits you.

 

[mb35]

Does protein factory ship ZIP to canada? I remember trying to order it off bodybuilding.com along with a bottle of Unleashed before I found all these other sits but they wouldn't ship it here. I really want to try it if PF does!

 

[bakemeacookie]

Just to clarify, T-3 PCT is NOT Cytomel! Cytomel is synthetic T-3 and a prescription drug.

T-3 PCT is what the title suggests -- a PCT for after T-3 use. It contains Vit B 12, folic acid, copper, zinc, aswaghanda and red pepper -- all good stuff that helps restore healthy thyroid function after it's been shut down.

ZIP! is more of a full time non-suppressive thyroid stimulant which has a direct effect on thyroid output and fat loss by boosting natural T3 and T4, whereas T3-PCT is more for recovery from a suppressed thyroid after using thyroid meds. Both are good and both can be used together. It depends on what you're looking for and what suits you.

Ahh. Ok, got it. thx.

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[needtogetaas]

Just to clarify, T-3 PCT is NOT Cytomel! Cytomel is synthetic T-3 and a prescription drug.

T-3 PCT is what the title suggests -- a PCT for after T-3 use. It contains Vit B 12, folic acid, copper, zinc, aswaghanda and red pepper -- all good stuff that helps restore healthy thyroid function after it's been shut down.

ZIP! is more of a full time non-suppressive thyroid stimulant which has a direct effect on thyroid output and fat loss by boosting natural T3 and T4, whereas T3-PCT is more for recovery from a suppressed thyroid after using thyroid meds. Both are good and both can be used together. It depends on what you're looking for and what suits you.

Exactly!!! T-3=pct is for use after T-3 or for use during/after a tren cycle too. Tren also lowers t-3 and thyroid function.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Exactly!!! T-3=pct is for use after T-3 or for use during/after a tren cycle too. Tren also lowers t-3 and thyroid function.

True. A point often overlooked.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Does protein factory ship ZIP to canada? I remember trying to order it off bodybuilding.com along with a bottle of Unleashed before I found all these other sits but they wouldn't ship it here. I really want to try it if PF does!

Not sure. Give 'em a call. 1-800-343 1803 I think they do.

 

[CoBra666]

i really hope so, how come only pf sells your products Nelson?

 

[megadad]

Exactly!!! T-3=pct is for use after T-3 or for use during/after a tren cycle too. Tren also lowers t-3 and thyroid function.

Awesome info! Thanks Needto, that answers my question in my thread asking about the T3 PCT product I saw on the ntbm site.....I figured that supp would b great for use during n after a tren cycle due to the T3 suppression it causes

 

[Nelson Montana]

i really hope so, how come only pf sells your products Nelson?

I've designed products for protein factory and for needtobuildmuscle. Needto also carries most of the PF product line. Orbit used to carry BIG BLAST and DX7 but has been out of stock for some time. Maybe Needto will carry those as well.

 

[CoBra666]

Well hopefully he reads this cuz that would be awesome. Been waiting for orbit to get dx7 forever. I don't like shopping at a bunch of different places lol

 

[Mr.Dedication]

Protein factory makes some insanely good products!

 

[CoBra666]

yeah i always make pretend proteins for myself. lol. i might sign up there. its just a pain, and im lazy, to buy from so many places

 

[ledhead]

Sure, another fat loss product. WHat else is new? Well, it isn;t new, but it's one of the best.

DId you know that caffeine (the main ingredient in most fat burners) actually SPARES FAT. Yep, the body doesn't utilize carbs for energy when using caffeine. That's because it's a drug and there's no need for the body to rely on anything else.

Now caffeine products have their place. They provide energy which means you can do a harder workout and therefore burn more calories. But you want your thyroid -- the REAL fat burning furnace -- to do its job day and night.

So check it out --ZIP! Fat Burner | Weight Loss Supplements

Even you use a thermo you like, adding ZIP will increase the fat loss without burning out your nervous system or hoarding carbs.

That is true about the thyroid.... Therefore, you can jack-up your quality calories and simultaneously burn more fat... And get bigger and leaner at the same time. Is that right Nelson?

 

[Nelson Montana]

That is true about the thyroid.... Therefore, you can jack-up your quality calories and simultaneously burn more fat... And get bigger and leaner at the same time. Is that right Nelson?

The thyroid is what allows for fat to be used for fuel. WHen it works at full blast, you burn more fat and have more energy. Using stims to get false energy just backfires in the long run because once you go off, the metabolism is slower than when you started. The weight always comes back. People who've used ZIP will tell you -- it takes a little longer, but you stay leaner as long as you use it, and you can use it indefinitely.

 

[bakemeacookie]

it takes a little longer, but you stay leaner as long as you use it, and you can use it indefinitely.

Yeah that kinda sucks. It's not cheap, so you can spend two months paying for the product only to find out it doesn't work. Hope it makes a difference.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yeah that kinda sucks. It's not cheap, so you can spend two months paying for the product only to find out it doesn't work. Hope it makes a difference.

If everything is in check, it most definitely will. But don't think that it sucks because it takes longer. What good is dropping 5 pounds in a week just to gain back 6 the next week? ZIP is REAL fat loss -- not just dehydration or weight lost from nervous energy.

 

[bakemeacookie]

If everything is in check, it most definitely will. But don't think that it sucks because it takes longer. What good is dropping 5 pounds in a week just to gain back 6 the next week? ZIP is REAL fat loss -- not just dehydration or weight lost from nervous energy.

Well, I took 4 the first day and i've been sick past 2 days. Got nasoues, stomach got upset, fast hearbeat, fever. I don't know what happened, only other thing I took was my usual t2 and n2kts. I thought I was gonna faint.

I'm almost back to normal now and gonna try it again tomorrow, just 1 pill a day. Maybe I took too much and body went bonkers? Maybe can't stack with 1 scoop of n2kts? Gonna find out this week some more info.

 

[s18]

Well, I took 4 the first day and i've been sick past 2 days. Got nasoues, stomach got upset, fast hearbeat, fever. I don't know what happened, only other thing I took was my usual t2 and n2kts. I thought I was gonna faint.

I'm almost back to normal now and gonna try it again tomorrow, just 1 pill a day. Maybe I took too much and body went bonkers? Maybe can't stack with 1 scoop of n2kts? Gonna find out this week some more info.

Did you take it on an empty stomach? Try a small meal next time if you did.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, I took 4 the first day and i've been sick past 2 days. Got nasoues, stomach got upset, fast hearbeat, fever. I don't know what happened, only other thing I took was my usual t2 and n2kts. I thought I was gonna faint.

I'm almost back to normal now and gonna try it again tomorrow, just 1 pill a day. Maybe I took too much and body went bonkers? Maybe can't stack with 1 scoop of n2kts? Gonna find out this week some more info.

Never heard of that before. Then of course, N2kts has a stim effect so if anything, you may have a sensitive reaction to it.

Also, T2 has some of the same ingredients as ZIP (in slightly different forms) plus, it has yohimbe, which will cause irritability.

I'd suggest not taking all 3 at the same time. And yes, take it with food.

 

[bakemeacookie]

Okay i'm back on zip! Started with 1 now up to 3 a day. No side effects. Body feels warmer, so I assume that's zip! working.

Now question: How important is 'front-loading'? What does it do? I know it says take 5 per day for first week - so is 3 okay? Or should I take the chances and try to ump it 5?

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[bakemeacookie]

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[jack84]

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[Nelson Montana]

Okay i'm back on zip! Started with 1 now up to 3 a day. No side effects. Body feels warmer, so I assume that's zip! working.

Now question: How important is 'front-loading'? What does it do? I know it says take 5 per day for first week - so is 3 okay? Or should I take the chances and try to ump it 5?

c

The front load is more to feel the effect and give the thyroid an immediate boost, but as you've discovered, the thyroid is an intense little bugger and it may have been too much. So just stick with the dosage you're using and maybe add another tab at some point.