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8 pack in 6 weeks --- need help

the.gladiator1987

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I already posted this in the diet, weight training section, but i am on AAS so idk if its ok to be in the AAS section or not. You can close it if its not allowed.

Current cycle:

test 500mg week 1-12
dbol 30mg week 1-4
katanadrol week 8-13
ECA week 8-10, 12-13

My current pic is my avi.

I just started the PH tren. I really need an 8 pack at this point i dont care how much bigger i get, im pretty happy with the current size. Im reading an ab workout book and basically i wanna add 2 days a week where I do HIIT training with sprints. And also lift heavy on my workout days but only take 1 - 1.5 minutes between sets. usually i take 3 minutes, sometimes longer, which isnt helping me burn calories.

You think with my fast metabolism, the ECA and tren, and the added HIIT and less waiting time between sets will get me there? Im thinking for sure

My diet is oats/eggs in breakfast, protein shake w/ banana snack, turkey sandwich for lunch, protein shake w/ egg whites for afternoon snack, 8 oz meat and cottage cheese for dinner. olive oil before bed
 
I am the ab expert :)
You can achieve your goal with stated above because of a strict diet. but... I'd drop the d-bol and maybe even lower the test or add winny along with an AI too bro. No sugar at all, maybe even all fruits for awhile... good luck
 
lartinos said:
I am the ab expert :)
You can achieve your goal with stated above because of a strict diet. but... I'd drop the d-bol and maybe even lower the test or add winny along with an AI too bro. No sugar at all, maybe even all fruits for awhile... good luck
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Im on week 7 haha idk if i mentioned that or not

I have not needed an AI the whole cycle but i am maybe seeing a little bloat around the lower abs, should i start taking aromasin now or wait until i need to take pics in 6 weeks?

Im gonna have no simple carbs from now on
 
I was about to suggest cutting that bananna out bro...lartinos beat me to it..and, chicken is leaner than turkey...this made a difference for me. And plus one on cutting out the dbol...is this youe first run on the katana?
 
trainer1764 said:
I was about to suggest cutting that bananna out bro...lartinos beat me to it..and, chicken is leaner than turkey...this made a difference for me. And plus one on cutting out the dbol...is this youe first run on the katana?
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Ok ill get some skinless boneless chicken breasts

yea its my first run on katanadrol but not on tren which is the main ingredient in katanadrol
 
Yeah definitely switch turkey to chicken breast. Turkey has too much sodium. You may need to watch your shakes too because sometimes they can be deceiving. All you look at is carbs and protein but you need to check the sugar and the sodium content. Drink a lot of water. Cardio every morning on an EMPTY stomach.
 
ConanX said:
Yeah definitely switch turkey to chicken breast. Turkey has too much sodium. You may need to watch your shakes too because sometimes they can be deceiving. All you look at is carbs and protein but you need to check the sugar and the sodium content. Drink a lot of water. Cardio every morning on an EMPTY stomach.
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Cool, ill be focusing on

drinking lots of water
complex carbs at breakfast and snack only
green tea everyday
cardio morning empty stomach
veggies every meal


fucking love learning this shit. day in and day out thanks broskis
 
currently trying for abs as well lart.

so you believe dropping all sugar will speed up the process?
 
haha, well just keep in mind that if ur not eating enough fruits and too much protein, that ur jiz will taste bad, as my girl states.

She rarly wants to give me head anymore more bc of how the taste changed :(
 
And if you have an 8 pack, you'll have your choice of hundreds of women who would love to deep throat your ish. Cutting simple sugar out is important to keep insulin levels stable for steady, drastic fat loss.
 
lartinos said:
I am the ab expert :)
You can achieve your goal with stated above because of a strict diet. but... I'd drop the d-bol and maybe even lower the test or add winny along with an AI too bro. No sugar at all, maybe even all fruits for awhile... good luck
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not trying to high jack his threat ,but will cutting out the friut make a diffence? i ask because i am trying to accomplish the same thing and have a couple of serving of fruit daily. Second, i have an addiction to sweet tea, does this contain enough sugar to slow my results? As for carbs, is cycling them better than cutting them out all together?

thanks
 
I am trying for the same thing, by doing what these guys are saying. Cut out all sugars. Sweet tea is good, but bad for this :)
 
anabolic12 said:
not trying to high jack his threat ,but will cutting out the friut make a diffence? i ask because i am trying to accomplish the same thing and have a couple of serving of fruit daily. Second, i have an addiction to sweet tea, does this contain enough sugar to slow my results? As for carbs, is cycling them better than cutting them out all together?

thanks
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cut out the fruits and only have splenda or some other sugar substitite in your sweet tea. The insulin spike is not a good idea when trying to cut. Some guys response well to a palumbo type zero carb diet (50 grams or under a day) while others do not need to go down that low. Everybody has a different carb sensitivity so my advice is too see how your body responds and go from there. Research the diet before you do so though as getting into ketosis takes a few days. In a nut shell I think you just need to cut your carbs... especially simple sugars and such and take it from there. High protein, add essential fats, low sat fat, high fiber.
 
so when implying to cut fruits, simple carbs, are you including drinks like OJ, cranberry juice, v8 (lol i just needed to put that in there even tho its a vege)
 
lartinos said:
cut out the fruits and only have splenda or some other sugar substitite in your sweet tea. The insulin spike is not a good idea when trying to cut. Some guys response well to a palumbo type zero carb diet (50 grams or under a day) while others do not need to go down that low. Everybody has a different carb sensitivity so my advice is too see how your body responds and go from there. Research the diet before you do so though as getting into ketosis takes a few days. In a nut shell I think you just need to cut your carbs... especially simple sugars and such and take it from there. High protein, add essential fats, low sat fat, high fiber.
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all my carbs are copmlex, maybe 100 a day, and come before 3PM.
 
trainer1764 said:
Gladiator, how's the katana treating you? You feeling it yet?
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Sup bro

Cant tell yet Im on day 6 but if anything I can tell my aggression is going up. I dont usually feel tren till day 14. I had a triple whopper w/ cheese last night I was so hungry, still woke up with a 6 pack lol but still I need an 8 pack so thats not happening again. Ill keep you updated, you should check out my log too
 
Sick bro, I'm on it. I'm bout to run katana with beastdrol, before I do a big inject cycle mid to late summer.

Lol on the cheesburger.. But hey, if you're doing keto, no harm no foul, just 86 the bun...
 
trainer1764 said:
Sick bro, I'm on it. I'm bout to run katana with beastdrol, before I do a big inject cycle mid to late summer.

Lol on the cheesburger.. But hey, if you're doing keto, no harm no foul, just 86 the bun...
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Im not doing keto i was just doing low carbs LOL

But now im thinkin about finishin my cycle bulking but keeping the 6 pack. Honestly I wanted an 8 pack but I should probably make use of cycle, but i am already big enough. IDk well see what I do haha

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/first-cycle-log-test-dbol-tren-645488-21.html
 
Wouldn't simple sugars after a workout be good for spiking insulin just in that instance and cut out simple sugars, including fruits, the rest of the day? Or strictly get them out the diet? I'm trying to cut here like everyone else lol
 
chucktown04 said:
Wouldn't simple sugars after a workout be good for spiking insulin just in that instance and cut out simple sugars, including fruits, the rest of the day? Or strictly get them out the diet? I'm trying to cut here like everyone else lol
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I would say its good because it helps the protein get to the muscles a lot quicker.

I always have a cup of apple juice, something that is atleast a little healthy. I wouldnt say to eat 10 airheads LOL

BUt yea 25g of carbs from apple juice after a workout is fine, that wont make or break you as long as the rest of your diet is clean
 
Actually, not meaning to be rude in contradiction, but simple sugars post workout spike insulin levels, which slows or completely brings to a halt fat loss...

Hence, why we suggested to cut them out, when cutting.

Hence, expect to lose (some) muscle when cutting.

This is why bulking workouts are not advisable whilst cutting...unLESS anabolics are involved...

AHA!!! Muscle preservation!!!


Yesss..
 
trainer1764 said:
Actually, not meaning to be rude in contradiction, but simple sugars post workout spike insulin levels, which slows or completely brings to a halt fat loss...

Hence, why we suggested to cut them out, when cutting.

Hence, expect to lose (some) muscle when cutting.

This is why bulking workouts are not advisable whilst cutting...unLESS anabolics are involved...

AHA!!! Muscle preservation!!!


Yesss..
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50mg of Dextrose post workout isn't going to wreak havoc on fat loss.

I advise it when doing any heavy weight training workout.

Even on a standard ketogenic and/or cyclic keto diet it is suggested to ingest a simple carb like dextrose post workout.

If you are worried about getting knocked out of Ketosis take 500mg of Metformin with your PWO dextrose/whey shake.

If you arent doing Keto, dont worry at all...

Just take the carbs.
 
Alright Ron, explain to me what this "metformin" does to preserve ketosis?


I am simply saying, based on PERSONAL experience and first hand those whom I have trained, skipping simple carbs works to drastically increase fat loss.

This is true, whether you want to admit it or not.

All you ACTUALLY NEED are your once a week, minimum, re feeds, which will go straight to depleted muscle cells, not storage.

If anything, since he DOES INDEED WANT AN EIGHT PACK, I would suggest COMPLEX carbs. Not simple. To avoid the insulin spike. An 8 pack is an intense goal to get to, thus intensely strict diet measures are called for.

This begs the question, dextrose: a simple carb, no?
 
trainer1764 said:
Alright Ron, explain to me what this "metformin" does to preserve ketosis?


I am simply saying, based on PERSONAL experience and first hand those whom I have trained, skipping simple carbs works to drastically increase fat loss.

This is true, whether you want to admit it or not.

All you ACTUALLY NEED are your once a week, minimum, re feeds, which will go straight to depleted muscle cells, not storage.

If anything, since he DOES INDEED WANT AN EIGHT PACK, I would suggest COMPLEX carbs. Not simple. To avoid the insulin spike. An 8 pack is an intense goal to get to, thus intensely strict diet measures are called for.

This begs the question, dextrose: a simple carb, no?
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Sure, you are correct.

Dextrose is indeed the simplest carb you can find.

Metformin will offset the insulin spike. Simply by bypassing the livers release or sugars. Which will in turn cause the body to release just enough insulin to cover the shuttling of the glucose (dextrose) to glycogen stores.

Correct me if Im wrong.
 
most of what needs to be done has be said already; make sure you are drinking a lot of water, you will sweat and piss water weight and will be less bloated...it will make your abs look more defined...it's all in the details. Also, get a tan.
 
the_alcatraz said:
most of what needs to be done has be said already; make sure you are drinking a lot of water, you will sweat and piss water weight and will be less bloated...it will make your abs look more defined...it's all in the details. Also, get a tan.
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been drinking a gallon a day, might bump it up to 1.5g since im drinkin the whole gallon by 7PM then before bed my piss turns yellow again

And about the tan I went 12 minutes in a booth last night and i fuckin burned so bad! Said it was new bulbs lol my legs look they are gonna bleed, i feel like im gonna piss out blood. no jk but they are pretty bad. I have already seen the difference.

Really all about having low calories, cardio and a tan. Any need for a diuretic? since i eat salt and dont plan on cutting it out completely
 
the.gladiator1987 said:
been drinking a gallon a day, might bump it up to 1.5g since im drinkin the whole gallon by 7PM then before bed my piss turns yellow again

And about the tan I went 12 minutes in a booth last night and i fuckin burned so bad! Said it was new bulbs lol my legs look they are gonna bleed, i feel like im gonna piss out blood. no jk but they are pretty bad. I have already seen the difference.

Really all about having low calories, cardio and a tan. Any need for a diuretic? since i eat salt and dont plan on cutting it out completely
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no need for a diuretic...just decrease your sodium intake and drink more water...tan lightly, slowely, start with 5-6 mins and work your way up....you dnt want to burn.
 
Bottom line here boys, like Ron said. If you're not doing keto, no worries about post workout glucose.


If you are, I just wouldn't care to play around with it. Metformin to impare my pancreas, so I can drink juice? No thanks.
 
trainer1764 said:
Actually, not meaning to be rude in contradiction, but simple sugars post workout spike insulin levels, which slows or completely brings to a halt fat loss...

Hence, why we suggested to cut them out, when cutting.

Hence, expect to lose (some) muscle when cutting.

This is why bulking workouts are not advisable whilst cutting...unLESS anabolics are involved...

AHA!!! Muscle preservation!!!


Yesss..
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i agree about the post workout sugars. whey protein is enough with bcaas and glutamine.

training wise, whats bulking workouts? i have never heard of such a thing.
 
timtim said:
i agree about the post workout sugars. whey protein is enough with bcaas and glutamine.

training wise, whats bulking workouts? i have never heard of such a thing.
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cool cool i will cut them out. I still do have carbs but only in the morning, before i was eating ww bread and olive oil and cottage cheese before bed. now its just fruits and rice/bread/milk all before 3PM.

Some people like to think bulk training is heavy training and cutting training is higher reps less weight lol. As long as you keep the intensity high during the workout (1.5 min. rests between sets) you will burn just as many calories and get stronger than if you were train like circuit training.
 
Ok, just a recap for myself....

No simple sugar ... ie: Fruits, etc
Drink at least 1 gallon water daily
No carbs after workout? Lost me here!
Cardio Every Morning on empty stomach
Sus500mgs week/Anavar 80mgs day/50mgs Prov
Only have complex carbs in the morning?
As much protien as I can get my hands on
Low sodium
Train hard as hell
Shed the fat and grow as much as I can

What am I missing here and what is the best for a late night snack....Protien Shake?
 
anabolic12 said:
Ok, just a recap for myself....

No simple sugar ... ie: Fruits, etc
Drink at least 1 gallon water daily
No carbs after workout? Lost me here!
Cardio Every Morning on empty stomach
Sus500mgs week/Anavar 80mgs day/50mgs Prov
Only have complex carbs in the morning?
As much protien as I can get my hands on
Low sodium
Train hard as hell
Shed the fat and grow as much as I can

What am I missing here and what is the best for a late night snack....Protien Shake?
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late night snack can be a protein shake, but id have cottage cheese. maybe some olive oil too.

fruits are ok in the morning but limit it. I only have one in my shake to make it taste better. carbs post workout are not needed, you need less carbs. Try it out at first if you want but youll be able to keep muscle growth and lose fat without the carbs post w/o
 
anabolic12 said:
So are you only eating carbs early in the day?
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Yea some people say before 7PM some say before 3PM, i just try not to have any after 3. I either snack on almonds, whey shakes, and for meals i have veggies, meat, eggs. I try waking up earlier so i can get enough cals in the day with carbs since its hard to eat foods with no carbs especially if you got to eat for another 10 hours.

Carbs arent the culprit, its total calories. Carbs just tend to store as fat easier late at night.
 
I always have best results with a keto diet - 60-65% Fat & the rest protein

Check out Lyle McDonald's website for the best books / info on dropping fat fast!

Lyle McDonald - Bodyrecomposition

He & Alwyn Cosgrove came up with a stubborn fat protocol - hi intensity intervals to release & mobilize stubborn fat stores followed by longer duration steady state cardio to use the mobilized fat as energy -although you need to be lean already - 6 of your 8 pack showing.

Post up final pics & strategy you use - I am trying for 6 (hopefully 8) pack by July 4th!

Good luck!

S:supercool
 
if you do a huge ass breakfast at 12 after only doing cardio on an empty stomach and have a huge ass lunch with complex carbs before 6 and then cut carbs out and cycle them you will shed faster.
 
Just remember, carbs cause insulin, the "storage hormone," to spike. Post workout, if fat loss is your goal, this isn't good.


On a cyclical keto diet, fruits are a no no. That is indeed simple sugar.

Now, on a TKD, targeted keto diet, you may have complex carbs before and after workouts, and only then.

Yall need to check out onebreaths thread. I posted it in here
 
anabolic12 said:
Gladiator, what it your thoughgts about this?
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I would eat right after to get protein right away. Im not doing the cutting thing anymore so I havent tested it out, but the way I was going to do it would be to eat after. You dont need to fast all day, and you already burned the fat when you did cardio. You still burn calories after the run, but youd be losing muscle if you didnt get any food after
 
Ron_Mexico said:
If you dial in your kcals and ratios meticulously, sure.

That is easier said than done and will most likely consume your life. But you are the only one who can decide if the ends justify the means.
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Thanks. This has been quite the informative thread. Think I'll stick with the 5-6 meals a day keeping carbs low (and only taking in before 5 pm) and protein very high along with other thread suggestions.

I would also agree with the above to eat after early morning cardio. It has worked well for me in the past to do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach and then eat afterward to prevent muscle loss. It is a great way to lose fat.

So is prop and tren amd winny :p
 
chucktown04 said:
Thanks. This has been quite the informative thread. Think I'll stick with the 5-6 meals a day keeping carbs low (and only taking in before 5 pm) and protein very high along with other thread suggestions.

I would also agree with the above to eat after early morning cardio. It has worked well for me in the past to do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach and then eat afterward to prevent muscle loss. It is a great way to lose fat.

So is prop and tren amd winny :p
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I may have overexaggerated a lil bit... It actually isnt that difficult...

I just don't want to deter you from trying a CKD or any keto type diet at all because they are very effective. They are my favorite for cutting.

A few points on Keto that should hold static at all times..

- 60% of your cals should come from fat and 40% from protein

- Take your bodyfat percentages and calculate your BMR every week so you can adjust your intake accordingly.

- If doing a CKD always use some type of glucose disposal agent with every re-feed during re-composition.

I also suggest keeping the fat sources as clean as possible, especially when using gear and other ancillaries as you want to be cautious with your lipid profiles.

I suggest reading Bodyopus by Dan Duchaine. The book is pretty old but to this day I still think his diet is the most effective CKD diet ever. Even better than Lyle McDoanlds UD2 when you factor in that Bodyopus will not suck every single quality minute of your life to execute it. It is far superior IMO.

I don't start any threads and I don't post much but I only talk about the things I know.

I definitely know Keto.
 
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