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6-oxo Extreme. Looks good for pct!!
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centeroiler
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Ah, yes it is. 6-OXO was tested and found to have Andro in it. Its not supposed to be in it, but it is in it.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/undercover/A_Warning_for_Young_Athletes_031709
I wouldn't use ANYTHING made by Pat Arnold...but that's me.
With dex and san so available why bother with that crap? For natty anti aromatization, go with POST CYCLE and Alpha Sustain. A combo of dex and supps is safe and effective. 6 oxo is neither here nor there.
With dex and san so available why bother with that crap? For natty anti aromatization, go with POST CYCLE and Alpha Sustain. A combo of dex and supps is safe and effective. 6 oxo is neither here nor there.
rikishi
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It breaks down into a metabolite that androstenedione also breaks down into. That's why it comes up as androstenedione in a drug test.
"Urinary metabolites do NOT prove contamination; various different compounds can produce the same urinary metabolites! Androstenedione (i.e. androst-4-ene-3,17-dione) results in urinary metabolite of 6a-OH-androstenedione; 6-OXO (i.e. androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) also produces 6a-OH-androstenedione as a urinary metabolite! This means that ingestion of 6-OXO itself could cause a false positive for androstenedione."
Exactly!!!
This is a very popular product for PH/DS PCT and people are paying big bucks, $100 a bottle, for it on eBay. I've personally never used it, but I know Palumbo's supplement company Species Nutrition has a 6oxo product.
centeroiler
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It says in the report that they tested the product, not somebody's piss after taking the product.
It may very well turn to Andro, but I don't think that's the case here.
rikishi
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The DEA raided ergopharm back in January and by now should have tested the product for androstenedione. If andro was in 6 oxo they would have pulled it from stores by now. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think that your link/source is probably not being entirely truthful. But whatever 
edit: friggen link isnt working. i'll post the article
edit: friggen link isnt working. i'll post the article
Federal agents raided the headquarters for Ergopharm, the dietary supplement company led by chemist Patrick Arnold. Ergopharm distributed the 6-OXO supplement that MLB baseball player J.C. Romero blamed for his failed drug test (”Feds raid lab of ex-BALCO chemist,” January 15).
Patrick Arnold, who created “The Clear” – a drug distributed through the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative to disgraced sprint queen Marion Jones and other high-profile athletes – leads ErgoPharm Inc., the company raided Wednesday in Champaign, Ill.
Agents for the Drug Enforcement Administration executed a document warrant at the company. No arrests were made, officials familiar with the action said.
DEA agents from the Chicago headquarters carried out the raid with assistance from the Champaign police department, spokesmen from both agencies confirmed. The case originated with the DEA offices in Boston, spokesmen from the other agencies said.
Agents for the Drug Enforcement Administration executed a document warrant at the company. No arrests were made, officials familiar with the action said.
DEA agents from the Chicago headquarters carried out the raid with assistance from the Champaign police department, spokesmen from both agencies confirmed. The case originated with the DEA offices in Boston, spokesmen from the other agencies said.
Spokespersons for the DEA have been tight-lipped about the reason for the document warrant, but some journalists are reporting that federal agents are looking for evidence corroborating allegations by Phillies’ J.C. Romero and the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) that Ergopharm “spiked” its supplements.
J.C. Romero’s androstenedione contamination defense has seemingly been discredited since 6-OXO itself produces a FALSE positive for androstenedione (”Ergopharm Response to Positive MLB Drug Tests,” January 13).
However, while advances in analytical testing and sensitivity in detection of metabolites have made drug testers more proficient at catching cheaters, the unintended consequence is that a perfectly legal and untainted substance can cause a positive test for a banned or illegal substance. Although little information has been released about the specifics of the alleged positive test, our preliminary investigation of these allegations has uncovered information showing that the main active ingredient in our product (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione; also known as 4-Etioallocholen-3,6, 17-Trione) will trigger a false positive for androstenedione.
The entire “androstenedione contamination” defense appears to have obfuscated the fact that 6-OXO itself, as an aromatase inhibitor, is banned by the MLB anyway.
The steroid witch-hunt continues.
Here is the official response from Pat... it's an interesting read. Hopefully this entire text hasn't been posted before.
I am not sure who has followed this story but pitcher JC Romero tested positive for a banned substance (reported to be androstenedione) and he blamed my companies product 6-oxo extreme andh e said the product was contaminated with androstenedione. Well, he was only half right. Here is what really happened
the following is official statement from Proviant Technologies (my company)
The media has reported that baseball pitcher J.C. Romero has alleged that his positive test for the banned substance androstenedione is attributable to use of our dietary supplement product, 6-OXO Extreme. Proviant Technologies is immensely proud of our quality control standards and our strict compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. We are confident that our products are untainted by any contaminants.
However, while advances in analytical testing and sensitivity in detection of metabolites have made drug testers more proficient at catching cheaters, the unintended consequence is that a perfectly legal and untainted substance can cause a positive test for a banned or illegal substance. Although little information has been released about the specifics of the alleged positive test, our preliminary investigation of these allegations has uncovered information showing that the main active ingredient in our product (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione; also known as 4-Etioallocholen-3,6, 17-Trione) will trigger a false positive for androstenedione.
What is a false positive?
A false positive in doping analysis happens when an athlete’s urine sample is found to contain markers that indicate the ingestion of a banned substance, even though the banned substance itself was never ingested by the athlete. There are many causes of false positives, but in the case of Mr. Romero we believe the false positive is due to a case of “shared metabolites.”
It is important to know that drug testers usually do not look for the presence of the drug itself in urine; rather they look for breakdown products called “metabolites.” In the case of the androstenedione test, we recently learned that the metabolite they screen for is a substance called 6a-OH-androstenedione.
This metabolite happens to also be a major metabolite of the main active ingredient in 6-OXO Extreme (see Detection of androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione (6-OXO?) and its metabolites in urine by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry in relation to doping analysis;Biomed Chromatogr. 2005 Nov;19(9):689-95). Consequently, it is clearly evident that Mr. Romero received a false positive due to his ingestion of the main active ingredient androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione which was present in the legal supplement 6-OXO Extreme. Mr. Romero’s positive had nothing to do with any alleged “contamination” of the nutritional supplement.
When asked to comment after reviewing the relevant studies, world renowned anti-doping expert Mauro DiPasquale, M.D., said, “It is my opinion that the putative positive drug test for androstenedione was a result of the ingestion of the compound androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione, which is found in 6-OXO and not a result of the direct ingestion of androstenedione.” He explained that, “In order to generate a positive test for androstenedione, a significant amount of androstenedione would have to be ingested. The trace amounts that would be present as a contaminant would not significantly alter the hormonal profile so as to provide indirect use of androstenedione.”
These findings and comments reinforce our longstanding position that while many dietary supplement products are safe and lawfully marketed, competitive athletes and others subject to urinalysis testing for banned substances should not use them. Not only do both professional and amateur athletic agencies warn athletes to beware of supplements, but our company puts explicit label warnings on each and every bottle of our 6-OXO products. Our labels read, in pertinent part: “Use of this product may be banned by some athletic or government associations (including military).”
Proviant supports Major League Baseball’s anti-doping policy and efforts to keep banned substances out of sports. We will continue to provide explicit warnings on our product labels to prevent responsible athletes from testing positive based on dietary supplement consumption. However, it is the responsibility of athletes who are subject to urinalysis testing to carefully read warning labels and diligently investigate and monitor the substances they ingest, be it food, drugs or dietary supplements, as the list of substances that are banned by various sports organizations is highly expansive and includes many substances which are safe, legal and commonly consumed by non-athletes.
I am not sure who has followed this story but pitcher JC Romero tested positive for a banned substance (reported to be androstenedione) and he blamed my companies product 6-oxo extreme andh e said the product was contaminated with androstenedione. Well, he was only half right. Here is what really happened
the following is official statement from Proviant Technologies (my company)
The media has reported that baseball pitcher J.C. Romero has alleged that his positive test for the banned substance androstenedione is attributable to use of our dietary supplement product, 6-OXO Extreme. Proviant Technologies is immensely proud of our quality control standards and our strict compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. We are confident that our products are untainted by any contaminants.
However, while advances in analytical testing and sensitivity in detection of metabolites have made drug testers more proficient at catching cheaters, the unintended consequence is that a perfectly legal and untainted substance can cause a positive test for a banned or illegal substance. Although little information has been released about the specifics of the alleged positive test, our preliminary investigation of these allegations has uncovered information showing that the main active ingredient in our product (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione; also known as 4-Etioallocholen-3,6, 17-Trione) will trigger a false positive for androstenedione.
What is a false positive?
A false positive in doping analysis happens when an athlete’s urine sample is found to contain markers that indicate the ingestion of a banned substance, even though the banned substance itself was never ingested by the athlete. There are many causes of false positives, but in the case of Mr. Romero we believe the false positive is due to a case of “shared metabolites.”
It is important to know that drug testers usually do not look for the presence of the drug itself in urine; rather they look for breakdown products called “metabolites.” In the case of the androstenedione test, we recently learned that the metabolite they screen for is a substance called 6a-OH-androstenedione.
This metabolite happens to also be a major metabolite of the main active ingredient in 6-OXO Extreme (see Detection of androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione (6-OXO?) and its metabolites in urine by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry in relation to doping analysis;Biomed Chromatogr. 2005 Nov;19(9):689-95). Consequently, it is clearly evident that Mr. Romero received a false positive due to his ingestion of the main active ingredient androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione which was present in the legal supplement 6-OXO Extreme. Mr. Romero’s positive had nothing to do with any alleged “contamination” of the nutritional supplement.
When asked to comment after reviewing the relevant studies, world renowned anti-doping expert Mauro DiPasquale, M.D., said, “It is my opinion that the putative positive drug test for androstenedione was a result of the ingestion of the compound androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione, which is found in 6-OXO and not a result of the direct ingestion of androstenedione.” He explained that, “In order to generate a positive test for androstenedione, a significant amount of androstenedione would have to be ingested. The trace amounts that would be present as a contaminant would not significantly alter the hormonal profile so as to provide indirect use of androstenedione.”
These findings and comments reinforce our longstanding position that while many dietary supplement products are safe and lawfully marketed, competitive athletes and others subject to urinalysis testing for banned substances should not use them. Not only do both professional and amateur athletic agencies warn athletes to beware of supplements, but our company puts explicit label warnings on each and every bottle of our 6-OXO products. Our labels read, in pertinent part: “Use of this product may be banned by some athletic or government associations (including military).”
Proviant supports Major League Baseball’s anti-doping policy and efforts to keep banned substances out of sports. We will continue to provide explicit warnings on our product labels to prevent responsible athletes from testing positive based on dietary supplement consumption. However, it is the responsibility of athletes who are subject to urinalysis testing to carefully read warning labels and diligently investigate and monitor the substances they ingest, be it food, drugs or dietary supplements, as the list of substances that are banned by various sports organizations is highly expansive and includes many substances which are safe, legal and commonly consumed by non-athletes.
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