3rd week into cycle..Not seeing anything.

[Improvise]

This is my 3rd week of running Test Enanthate and Equipose.

I have NOT been consistent with my injections though as the mg's have changed every week due to personal reasons.

Week 1: MONDAY ONLY
Test E 625 mg
Equipose 400 mg

Week 2: MONDAY ONLY
Test E 250 MG
Equipose 200

Week 3: MONDAY & THURSDAY
Test E 250
Equipose 200

I am not seeing any changes at all. No weight gain, no appetite increase, no sex drive increase. No nothing. I have been eating CLEAN and doing a good amount of cardio. Gonna lay off the cardio for a while till I see some big gains now though.

Everything I've read and heard says it will take 3-5 weeks to kick in but I'm starting to get worried that my gear is bunk.

I will now start to be more consistent with my injections and run the Test at 500 mg/week and the Eq at 400 mg/week with injections on Monday and Thursday for 8 more weeks.

Should I be worried or just patient?

 

[big_daws]

dude, test ethanate and Eq are long esters that take a while to kick in. If you still feel nothing after 5-6 weeks i would then start to worry about bunk gear.

You say you are eating CLEAN, well if you eat clean you need to eat ALOT of clean food to get the proper amount of calories you need to make lean gains.

 

[79steeler]

Be patient, eat and lift like an animal. You might want to do 250mg on mon./thurs. test and 200mg equipoise mon/thurs. Keep you blood levels stable.

You need to be consitent while doing this thing. It sounds like your not doing so. You also need to be consistent with your diet.

Post your stats. and experience so the bro's can help you.

 

[swole]

test enan or cyp week 5-6

eq week 7-8

 

[Crysis6]

Yes, Im on a similar cycle now. Break the shots up and run EQ at least 400mg per week. EQ takes a while to kick in so dont be discouraged. Test E is also a longer ester, so patience is the key, it will kick in and you will see it. And always be consistent with your dosages, keeping your blood levels as constant as you can is a good idea. Im shooting EOD right now but only cuz I threw some tren in for the first 5 weeks. Just keep doing what you are doing, and have a cheat meal once in a while, get those calories up.

 

[Improvise]

I know they are long esters, was just wondering if any gains at all are noticeable within the first 3 weeks.

Eating is not a problem for me, I can eat however much I want to and it's not hard.

Thanks for the advice guys. Just really anxious to start seeing gains, that's all. I am lifting hard and eating well, I want to stay lean and ripped so I'm very cautious about what I eat.

 

[ALIN]

This is my 3rd week of running Test Enanthate and Equipose.

I have NOT been consistent with my injections though as the mg's have changed every week due to personal reasons.

Week 1: MONDAY ONLY
Test E 625 mg
Equipose 400 mg

Week 2: MONDAY ONLY
Test E 250 MG
Equipose 200

Week 3: MONDAY & THURSDAY
Test E 250
Equipose 200

I am not seeing any changes at all. No weight gain, no appetite increase, no sex drive increase. No nothing. I have been eating CLEAN and doing a good amount of cardio. Gonna lay off the cardio for a while till I see some big gains now though.

Everything I've read and heard says it will take 3-5 weeks to kick in but I'm starting to get worried that my gear is bunk.

I will now start to be more consistent with my injections and run the Test at 500 mg/week and the Eq at 400 mg/week with injections on Monday and Thursday for 8 more weeks.

Should I be worried or just patient?

are you certain your eating right and training is in tune?

 

[Improvise]

are you certain your eating right and training is in tune?

Pretty sure, I'll post my stats and diet and routine a bit later. I have to go to work right now.

Thanks again though, appreciate it, and I'll be back.

 

[splperformance]

im running 600mg EW test E and 450mg EW EQ...i'm on week 3 of this cycle and i've already put on 8lbs. while definitely noticing gains in shoulder/arm size and all around strength...juice kicks in deffierently for people but gain times are pretty much average to what is stated above...but i can attest most of my gains so far to heavy training and eating very clean and very often...so definitely post up your diet and stats and we'll critique what you have going on

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ah, I don't but into that 6 weeks to kick in shit. I feel stronger 3 days later. Somethings fishy.

First of all, an injection takes 30 seconds out of your week. How can that get messed up due to "personal reasons."

Secondly, you mention cardio, (which is a waste) and not training. (Which is what it's all about).

And the EQ will negate the sex drive increase of the test.

You can't grow and cut calories at the same time.

That's an awful lot of gear for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

 

[flajice]

eq takes 6-8 weeks to kick in

 

[Nelson Montana]

eq takes 6-8 weeks to kick in

Only if you're doing something wrong.

 

[swole]

Only if you're doing something wrong.

nelson i was referring to visual gains

i felt test and eq about a week into it - higher sex drive, more endurance, aggression

but didn't really see results until week 6

and yes i feel a boost from every test injection right away

 

[chazk]

You said in another post you bought the gear 3-4 years ago and waited till now to use it.
The gear could have gone rancid being it is atleats 3-4 years old that you know
what is the exp date on the gear ?

 

[eddymerckx]

test enan or cyp week 5-6

eq week 7-8

+1 and the equip is subtle vascularity/hardness/and i swear you clear lactic acid faster but no medical basis for that claim--may be just in my head

 

[the elite addict]

Only if you're doing something wrong.

Not to hijack but.. Nelson, how long would you say that it takes EQ to kick in noticably. Ive just added tren to my cycle do to less than what I was expecting from the EQ, however I am only 5 weeks in...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Not to hijack but.. Nelson, how long would you say that it takes EQ to kick in noticably. Ive just added tren to my cycle do to less than what I was expecting from the EQ, however I am only 5 weeks in...

I agree with swole that it might take a few weeks to notice a visible difference for an experienced lifter but that doesn't mean it hasn't "kicked in" yet. My response was more to the original poster. If you're taking a gram of gear, damn, you should be FEELING something in a few days.

 

[Crysis6]

Last night was what I believe was my first effects from tren, which I started on monday. 2 shots in and I was woken up by a text message at like 1am. My heart was racing and it felt like I was like floating off the pillow. I was hot, but not really sweating. A little short on breath too... We will see what week 2 brings, but you probably should be feeling something... whatever it may be.. if your gear is that old, its gotta be either weakened or totally dead. Keep us posted.

 

[dabuffguy]

That's why I love orals, results come right away while the inj. get going.

 

[Improvise]

Ah, I don't but into that 6 weeks to kick in shit. I feel stronger 3 days later. Somethings fishy.

First of all, an injection takes 30 seconds out of your week. How can that get messed up due to "personal reasons."

Secondly, you mention cardio, (which is a waste) and not training. (Which is what it's all about).

And the EQ will negate the sex drive increase of the test.

You can't grow and cut calories at the same time.

That's an awful lot of gear for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

First of all, personal reasons are personal. But my reasons are simple. First week I frontloaded (I admit accidentally) 625 mg of Test and 400 mg of Eq into each glute. I was incredibly sore from the Test so I only did one injection that week.

Next week I just ran 250 Test and 200 Eq because I was still a little sore and found out that since I have 2 10 ml vials of Test E 250 I will only be able to run it for 10 weeks at 500 mg/ week. I want to run it for 12-14 and since I had just put 625 mg's in me the week before thought I'd just put 250 in me for week 2.

Week 3 I feel good, decided to just run it at 250 and 200 on Mondays and Thursdays (have enough to run for 11 weeks and am working on getting more so I can extend it to 12-14).

Secondly, I am doing cardio because I want to stay lean while putting on size. I am trying to lower my body fat by cutting out sugars and bad fats completely. Still taking in about 3000 cals a day and 200+ grams of protein easily. I am only doing cardio 2-3 times a week for now for about 45 mins. Incline walk on treadmill.

I am lifting 4-5 days a week, sometimes 5-6. While it may sound like I don't know what I am doing at all, this is something I've been reading about and researching for 3-4 years. That's why my gear has been shitting on the shelf for so long. Wasn't ready to do it, wanted to learn more and wanted to lift and eat and increase gains naturally before I decided to jump the gun.

I'm 5'10" 178. I started the cycle at 18% body fat which was unbelievably high for me because I have a small frame and don't look 18% at all. It had been months since I did cardio though so that would explain it. Goal is to be 185 at around 8%.

Here is my diet for you guys to critique, just in case you think I should be eating more/less or subbing something in.

Breakfast:
1/2 Cup Whole Grain Oatmeal (125 cals)
2 Scoops Max Muscle Triple Whey (260 cals, 52 grams protein)
Rainbow Men's Energy Multi-Vitamin

CARDIO

Late Breakfast:
3 Egg whites, 1 yolk (150 cals)
1 slice of Wheat Bread (110 cals)
1 Cup of Orange Juice (112 cals)

OR CARDIO HERE

Lunch
1 - 1.5 cups whole wheat pasta w/a little bit of marinara sauce (320 cals)
OR
Turkey Sandwich on 2 slices of Wheat Bread (No mayo and no cheese, 4 slices of turkey breast) (300 cals)

LIFT

Snack
2 scoops Max Muscle Triple Whey Protein (230 cals, 52g protein)
1/2 cup whole wheat oatmeal (125 cals)

Dinner
2 cups Medium-Grain Cooked Brown Rice (430 Cals)
1 6-8 oz. Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast (220 cals, 50g protein)

Late Dinner
2 Cups Brown Rice (430 cals)
1 6-8 oz. Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast (220 cals, 50g protein)

Late Night Snack
2 Scoops Triple Whey Protein Shake (230 cals, 52g protein)

Comes out to just about 3000 calories with about 220 from protein. I obviously want to grow, but I am really wanting to put on a good 10-15 pounds of LEAN muscle mass. I want to be very vascular and very hard. I have a small but muscular frame but am lacking in muscle maturity.

Please critique. Any positive or negative feedback is good feedback.

Thanks again for taking time out of your day to help me out!!

(And sorry for the longest post in the history of EF )

 

[Improvise]

Only thing I can think of is that I'm getting too much protein from shakes rather than food.

I've heard conflicting thoughts on that, what are your guys thoughts?

 

[Crysis6]

Your gear is 3-4 years old. Its gotta be shot, shelf life is no where near that long.

 

[Improvise]

Your gear is 3-4 years old. Its gotta be shot, shelf life is no where near that long.

I've heard different on here and other bb forums. Guys have told me that it is good even after the exp. date and that shelf life is up to 5 years.

Any other input on that?

 

[*The_West*]

basically injecting something which has been sitting on a shelf in your house somewhere for 3 or 4 years, getting warmed up and cooled down over and over, is a stupid idea. sorry to put it bluntly, but dammit man.

 

[Improvise]

Nah I don't take offense to anything. I appreciate the input.

Frustrating because I could have sworn I made threads about it here and on other forums (bbforums.com) asking if gear that has been sitting on the shelf for 3-4 years is ok to use and everyone said it's fine and if I don't want to use it then send it to them (jokingly I know, but I took it as it's ok to use it).

 

[Nelson Montana]

3 year old gear will be weaker but not inert.

 

[Tatyana]

3 year old gear will be weaker but not inert.

If it was UG gear, couldn't it be under-dosed, and then weakened = almost nothing?

 

[Improvise]

The brand is QV (QualityVet) if that makes any difference.

 

[Crysis6]

3 year gear I agree would be definitely weakened, 4 years that much more weakened. Certainly isnt gonna give you what you are looking for out of it, and would probably take longer for you to feel any effects from it if you are using longer esters and waiting for it to build up in your body. Thats a good point about the UG labs...if it was weaker to start, after 3-4 years.... u better off ditchin it for something fresh, especially since you are becoming more aware of things from the board now then you were when you got this gear.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If it was UG gear, couldn't it be under-dosed, and then weakened = almost nothing?

True. You never know with UG. But I still have to suspect the problem may lie elsewhere.

 

[Improvise]

Started my 4th week today.

Injected, ate, trained a client, ate again, then lifted.

And it was awesome. Surreal. I was pushing more weight than last week, could do more sets, and every set was a fucking blast.

Unreal.

 

[Crysis6]

Nice...guess it might have been weakened but still had some potency. Good luck and enjoy!!

 

[sugashane]

Secondly, I am doing cardio because I want to stay lean while putting on size. I am trying to lower my body fat by cutting out sugars and bad fats completely. Still taking in about 3000 cals a day and 200+ grams of protein easily. I am only doing cardio 2-3 times a week for now for about 45 mins. Incline walk on treadmill

Sounds good and glad to hear its kicking in. When do you do cardio? It seems to help me when I do it first thing in the morning, which also boosts my appetite like all hell. I also stole the carb cutoffs at night from DC training. This has helped me add size while keeping fat a nonfactor.

 

[Improvise]

Secondly, I am doing cardio because I want to stay lean while putting on size. I am trying to lower my body fat by cutting out sugars and bad fats completely. Still taking in about 3000 cals a day and 200+ grams of protein easily. I am only doing cardio 2-3 times a week for now for about 45 mins. Incline walk on treadmill

Sounds good and glad to hear its kicking in. When do you do cardio? It seems to help me when I do it first thing in the morning, which also boosts my appetite like all hell. I also stole the carb cutoffs at night from DC training. This has helped me add size while keeping fat a nonfactor.

I get cardio in whenever my schedule allows it basically. I always split up my lifting and cardio though because I don't want to lose muscle mass.

I've actually pretty much completely stopped doing cardio for now, I'm going to bulk for the next 4 weeks then hit cardio hard the last 4 weeks of my cycle.

 

[eddymerckx]

basically injecting something which has been sitting on a shelf in your house somewhere for 3 or 4 years, getting warmed up and cooled down over and over, is a stupid idea. sorry to put it bluntly, but dammit man.

i don't know about you but my house is b/w 69-75 year round---and gear is likely not stored on a window sill---and if it is, please post the location.

turns out that the expiration date on a drug does stand for something, but probably not what you think it does. Since a law was passed in 1979, drug manufacturers are required to stamp an expiration date on their products. This is the date at which the manufacturer can still guarantee the full potency and safety of the drug.

Most of what is known about drug expiration dates comes from a study conducted by the Food and Drug Administration at the request of the military. With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date.

So the expiration date doesn't really indicate a point at which the medication is no longer effective or has become unsafe to use. Medical authorities state expired drugs are safe to take, even those that expired years ago. A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years.

Is the expiration date a marketing ploy by drug manufacturers, to keep you restocking your medicine cabinet and their pockets regularly? You can look at it that way. Or you can also look at it this way: The expiration dates are very conservative to ensure you get everything you paid for. And, really, if a drug manufacturer had to do expiration-date testing for longer periods it would slow their ability to bring you new and improved formulations.

The next time you face the drug expiration date dilemma, consider what you've learned here. If the expiration date passed a few years ago and it's important that your drug is absolutely 100% effective, you might want to consider buying a new bottle. And if you have any questions about the safety or effectiveness of any drug, ask your pharmacist. He or she is a great resource when it comes to getting more information about your medications.


medscape

Expiration Dates
"Expired medication" also represents a potentially large source of supply of medicine for a recycling program. As things stand now, expiration dates get a lot of emphasis. For instance, there is a campaign, cosponsored by some drug retailers, that urges people to discard tablets or capsules when they reach the date on the label.[23] It turns out that the date on the label, however, is often much earlier than the official expiration date. Pharmacists are required to put a "beyond-use" date on prescriptions, which is either the manufacturer's expiration date or 1 year from the date the drug is dispensed, whichever is earlier. The rationale is that containers into which dosage forms are repackaged may not have the integrity of the original package.[24]

However, not only the beyond-use date, but the official drug expiration date itself is usually determined conservatively, and very expensive medication is being wasted. Data from the Department of Defense/US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Shelf Life Extension Program, which tests the stability of drug products past their expiration date, showed 84% of 1122 lots of 96 different drug products stored in military facilities in their unopened original container would be expected to remain stable for an average of 57 months after their original expiration date.[25] Some US Army studies on Valium, for example, show that the drug is very stable and completely safe and effective for up to 8 years after manufacture. Tablets of ciprofloxacin, an expensive antibiotic, were found completely safe and effective when tested 9.5 years after the expiration date. A recent issue of The Medical Letter[26] quoted not only the above study but others showing expensive medications like amantadine (Symmetrel) and rimantadine (Flumadine) remained stable after storage for 25 years under ambient conditions and retained full antiviral activity after boiling and holding at 65-85° C for several days. Theophylline, in tablet form, shows 90% stability even after 30 years beyond the expiration date.[27] Such stability is not reflected in the manufacturer or pharmacy dating about when tablets or capsules must be discarded. In general, although published data are not available for all medicines, The Medical Letter consultants believe that most drugs stored under reasonable conditions retain at least 70% to 80% of their potency for at least 1 to 2 years after the expiration date, even after the container has been opened (nb: current US Pharmacopoeia [USP] standard is generally 90% potency).[28] With new individual pill packaging techniques, it is highly likely that USP acceptable potency would be the norm over that same time period.

The only report of human toxicity that may have been caused by chemical or physical degradation of a pharmaceutical product is a disputed article (published in 1963) alleging renal tubular damage associated with use of degraded tetracycline.[29,30] The lack of other reports of toxicity from expired medication is reassuring, but the topic of out-of-date medication toxicity is not a well-researched issue.

 

[sensational]

Ah, I don't but into that 6 weeks to kick in shit. I feel stronger 3 days later. Somethings fishy.

First of all, an injection takes 30 seconds out of your week. How can that get messed up due to "personal reasons."

Secondly, you mention cardio, (which is a waste) and not training. (Which is what it's all about).

And the EQ will negate the sex drive increase of the test.

You can't grow and cut calories at the same time.

That's an awful lot of gear for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

Good advice.