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sweatandscience said:
Doesn't soy protein promote estrogen production, or was that just a bogus study?

I read it like a year ago, but don't remember reading anything else about it since.

I sure hope not. I'd really like to start trying more soy products.

I hope all that stuff about milk isn't true and is just junk science, because I can't imagine life without that jug.

There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much.

The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc.
All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier :-)
 
MR. BMJ said:
... Also, some species of ants domesticate aphids for a milky exudate that they secrete.

BMJ


Got milk? not here you dont....

These ants are sweet eating ants and they are eating the excretment of the aphids, there is nothing "milky" about it. It is packed full of sugar from the plant material the aphids have been feeding on and the sugar is what the ants are after here.
 
blueta2 said:
There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much.

The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc.
All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier :-)

that is hottt will you make out with me
 
a creed said:
I don't think Lactaid is Soy..............
I actually think its milk with lactase enzyme added to break down the milk sugar. Hmmm. I am 37 and I drink it without issue. My Fiance' is 53 and no problems. Depends on genetics I think.

Quad
 
I sent a reply to this last night but EF was under it's down time, and it didn't go through I guess...so I am at work and will again do this quickly.

"Well either you're a liar or a very bad nutritionist, not to mention, can't read. I never said everyone was lactose intolerant at birth. I said once we are weaned off of milk as babies, our bodies do not produce the enzyme to break down lactose."

Actually, this is exactly what you stated: "newsflash...every human is technically lactose intolerant. As adults, we do not have the ezymes to break up lactose. Just some people feel the effects more than others."

Okay, so with this statement, after we are weened off the tit, and as children and adults, we are no longer considered humans? What the hell are we then? By stating that we no longer produce the lactase enzyme after child birth is indeed erroneous as Silver Shadow stated. If this were the case, then we would all have hypolactasia symptoms such as abdominal distention/pain, nausea, osmotic diarrhea, bloating, and obsessive gas from microbial fermentation. If you state that "every human" is lacks the enzyme to break down lactose, then YES, you are the liar and one who cannot even remember what you wrote. Let me give you a tip, the AF store has a product called Neurogenix, maybe you could benefit from its ability to trigger better memory. So nice change of tone, but even with the correction, your statement that "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" is stating that everybody IS lactose intolerant. We do not stay infants forever you know that right?

A decrease in lactase enzyme activity is found during childhood and as adults and is considered phylogenetically normal. Furthermore, most adults only have 5-10% lactose digestion capability as newborn infants, but this is normal and does not correlate to complete remission of the lactate enzyme itself. Even more interesting, try reading up on individuals from Northern Europe, North Africa, and nomadic areas of Arabia whose ancestor's sole source of energy was milk. These individuals of the same population today do not even have much of a decline from a newborn infant. However, those whose ancestors were not milk drinkers DO suffer from an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance where the lactase gene is deficient at higher percentages. This population is rare.

LOL...If you still believe that we, "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" can be proven wrong by taking doses of lactose. In fact this has been performed many times by researchers. Take a 50gm dose of lactose and 30minutes later check your blood sugar levels. Since lactase breaks down lactose into both Galactose and glucose, absorption of these two monosaccharides will cause a shift if blood glucose levels. If no rise is present, then you will suffer from lactase deficiency or its symptoms. If blood sugar is elevated, then obviously the human body had the lactase enzyme to break it down. To add onto this, if Lactose is not broken down due to lack of the lactase enzyme, then it will travel down to the colon and produce H2 gas by microbial fermentation. If H2 is present, then some sort of intolerance is present. however, you can still have gas produced by showing some sort of intolerance while receiving a rise in blood glucose levels. These people are the ones that usually suffer from gas and bloat, but they are not 100% lactose intolerant. This condition will continue to get worse for some individuals as they age....as is the case with A Creed and others who posted here. However, this will still not happen to everybody as adults.

"And no I am not part of PETA. Why, cause I don't drink milk, I am part of PETA?"

Well that's good to hear at least.

"You talk big, but you don't make a hell of a lot of sense."

I can't help it if you are slow or have trouble understanding things that are not spelled out to 2nd grade level intelligence. Again, pick up some Neurogenix and maybe it will help with your learning and cognitive skills. Maybe you should try reading PubMed, or at least some kind of high school level science book, instead of reading a bunch of pseudo-science BS.

"Ever hear of Beano? Do you know what that is? It's an enzyme we force into our bodies when we get gas from eating veggies. Why? Well b/c again, most of us do not have the enzymes to break down veggies like cauliflower."

This is only partially true. Beano is an alpha-galactosidase enzyme. It will not ensure 100% break down of all foods. It will only help with foods that need this enzyme to break it down. Try doing research on oligosaccharides....found in lentils, beans....frijoles. Most veggies have fiber that will still cause gas. However, in case you are wondering, I do use this product when needed...been there and done that for years already. This is nothing new.

"That is all I'm going to say of this subject. Thanks for your insightful jargon though :-)"

Yeah, i'd probably end this discussion as well if I were you and try reading some real science. And of course, you are welcome sweetheart :heart:

BMJ :)
 
"There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much."

I'll give you a tip...do a search under the handle name MS both on the diet board and women's board. You will learn a lot about the myths and facts of soy by doing this simple search. However, if soy makes you feel like junk, or if the PMS symptoms get severe, then the obvious choice is to eliminate it like anything else.

"The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc."

Please post all these studies showing "how bad dairy is for the body." While i'll agree that it is probably not the healthiest choice out there due to its properties on insulin sensitivity, high sodium, and fat content (of the whole milk), does not mean that it should be avoided altogether. The high sodium content can be countered, and non/low fat versions can be bought to counter the insulin senstivity issue (sugar + fat avoidance). Also, exercise, R-ala, vinegar, and a hypo-caloric diet will also be beneficial as well.

Yes, it is not a secret, that milk exacerbates asthma, due to the effects it has on mucosal viscocity...And if the woman's child is ALLERGIC to milk then by all means take him off of it. However, because some are ALLERGIC to the proteins does not mean that it is bad for all. Do you think peanuts, corn, eggs, and all the other potential allergenic foods are BAD for everyone? All food proteins are foreign, what food do you know of that produces human proteins?..and not one that is Genetically Modified.

"All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier :-)"

Through trial and error of one's own experiences, we learn a lot about what will work and what will not. I am happy to see that you discovered this. I do not wish ill health on anybody. However, did you find out whether you were lactose intolerant or have any kind of milk/protein allergen? Without knowing these factors, how do you know what the cause of your ill effects came from?

At any rate, you DID do the right thing by eliminating milk from your diet if it did in fact make you feel better. That is not refutable. Same applies to any other foods like stated above. However, what makes one ill does not correlate to everybody.

BMJ
 
MR. BMJ said:
Yes, it is not a secret, that milk exacerbates asthma, due to the effects it has on mucosal viscocity...And if the woman's child is ALLERGIC to milk then by all means take him off of it. However, because some are ALLERGIC to the proteins does not mean that it is bad for all. Do you think peanuts, corn, eggs, and all the other potential allergenic foods are BAD for everyone? All food proteins are foreign, what food do you know of that produces human proteins?..and not one that is Genetically Modified.
funny, i am asthmatic. earlier this year i had a severe attack - my nails were blue, my bp was 190/100! within a week my weight dropped from 225 to 205. milk or no milk, i've been having these problems.

it's partly to do with the city where i live - it's known to be terrible for asthmatics... not sure what it is in the air, maybe pollen, i don't know. the other factor as - i hadn't been to a doc to treat my asthma in years (the last time would have been anywhere between 15-20 years ago when i was a kid). everytime i got breathless i'd just take a puff of my instant relief inhaler.

then in jan when i got sick, it just wasn't working at all. i was desperately taking puffs from the inhaler, i self dosed on salbutamol... no effect. it was so serious i had to go to the doc - turns out i had not bothered to keep in touch with the latest developments in asthma meds. preventive meds have been around for some time but i had missed it because i was just ignorant. since then i've been on preventive therapy which means medication every day for the rest of my life. things have improved immensely - probably won't be the same as a few years ago - i may have permanent partial lung damage which i haven't yet confirmed... but i don't struggle with thick mucous in my throat and heavy wheezing. i just thought i'd share this for whoever has a similar problem.
 
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