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neverenuf
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a creed said:
sweet
SgtSlaughter
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damn you, i'm 10 years younger and it happened to me this past year 
Welcome to the club... we have tastier whole milk here
I go through from 5-7 half gallons a week, Lactaid is where it's at.
Welcome to the club... we have tastier whole milk here
I go through from 5-7 half gallons a week, Lactaid is where it's at.
BigCracker
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sgtslaughter said:damn you, i'm 10 years younger and it happened to me this past year
Welcome to the club... we have tastier whole milk here
I go through from 5-7 half gallons a week, Lactaid is where it's at.
Damn bro. It would be cheaper to drink gasoline and you won't get the raised estrogen from the soy products either.
GymIntensity
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how do you all of a sudden become lactose intolerant?
SgtSlaughter
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Lactaid.BigCracker said:
Put the dunce cap back on
lolSgtSlaughter
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I think it's part hereditary, part how much lactase you ingest over time...GymIntensity said:
I used to have dairy multiple times a day, cheese products mainly... could have been a factor. I know a few relatives are also intolorant to lactose as well though.
It's not so bad.
People around me are much happier that I've figured out what my problem was. I had bothered their olfactory senses enough, lol
interesting link I just found:
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/
blueta2
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a creed said:
newsflash...every human is technically lactose intolerant. As adults, we do not have the ezymes to break up lactose. Just some people feel the effects more than others.
My Gastro told me, milk is for babies. We are the only adult mammals that drink milk. You will not see any full grown mammal other than humans take dairy.
Soy milk or almond milk is a great alternative.
SgtSlaughter
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Get outa here with that crap
blueta2
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sgtslaughter said:Get outa here with that crap
seriously...think about it. What other mammal still sucks on milk from their mom's? Well maybe some freaks from EF, but seriously!
Dairy really causes mucus and keeps mucus in the body. Viruses and Bacteria thrive in mucus.
Just telling you what I've learned from years of reading about homeopathy
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ALIN
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a creed said:
this happens to many. try goat milk
justinjones1963
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blueta2 said:seriously...think about it. What other mammal still sucks on milk from their mom's?
There are some probably in C&C that do that! lol
medrep
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blueta2 said:seriously...think about it. What other mammal still sucks on milk from their mom's? Well maybe some freaks from EF, but seriously!
Dairy really causes mucus and keeps mucus in the body. Viruses and Bacteria thrive in mucus.
Just telling you what I've learned from years of reading about homeopathy
other mammals don't eat peanut butter sandwitches and chocolate chip cookies, or they would suck tit too
SgtSlaughter
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I've seen a chimp pop benzo's oncemedrep said:
blueta2 said:
....better stop this one before it gets out of hand.....
The anti-milk propaganda machine loves to downplay the intelligence and ingenuity of the human species. We are the only animals to build machines, utilize mathematical equations, split the atom, etc. Should we go back to hunting and gathering days, since that is what animals do? Also, this idea that we are the only species to drink the milk of another animal is horseshit. Have you never witnessed a mother dog or cat, nurse an abandoned infant of another species? Also, some species of ants domesticate aphids for a milky exudate that they secrete. Don't downplay the miracle of the the human body. We have evolved to produce our own enzymes capable of digesting and utilizing numerous foods, vitamins, minerals, etc. Lactose intolerance is mainly found in countries where cattle farming and milk consumption has been historically low, this is an evolutionary trait.
If we were all lactose intolerant from birth, then everybody would be shitting themselves. I don't have lactose intolerance...I can drink a big glass of milk without shitting my guts out, unlike those with true lactase deficiency (which is again, because THEY don't produce lactase).
Where in nature does the Twinkie live? Thank God, Captain Crunch discovered those long lost species of Crunch Berries.
...my suggestion is to get another gastroenterologist.
BMJ
Mavafanculo
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good point.medrep said:
blueta2
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MR. BMJ said:
Did you read what I wrote? Once an animal is weaned off of milk, they do not go back and drink it. Has nothing to do with a mother cat feeding an abandoned kitten.
Our brains have NOTHING to do with out digestive systems. Because we have a higher intelligence than animals (well some humans any ways) this changes our digestion is some way? Please enlighten me?
We can get calcium from MANY sources other than dairy. You obviously lack knowledge of nutrition.
Are you a doctor? Have you studied the human digestive tracked? Probably not, so you have no data to even say "We have evolved to produce our own enzymes capable of digesting and utilizing numerous foods, vitamins, minerals, etc. Lactose intolerance is mainly found in countries where cattle farming and milk consumption has been historically low, this is an evolutionary trait"
My gastro helped save me from horrid stomach troubles....I think I'll keep him, but thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you're available to treat me?! ;-)
here is some info
http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/MilkCal2.htm[/url]
http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/calcium.php
http://www.ellenskitchen.com/faqs/calcium.html
Let me know if you need more info
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SgtSlaughter
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i'm healtier than a horse, I can prove itblueta2 said:Yeah and they are a lot healthier than humans
SgtSlaughter
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don't use that as an excuse.blueta2 said:
I eat very healthy 80% of the time. I could eat fast food all day. I choose not to.
Just finished up my egg beaters and oats
silver_shadow
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don't you smoke?blueta2 said:
anyway, it is generally true that humans are lactose intolerant or rather become that way over time. however that doesn't mean that all humans must become intolerant suddenly one day. how come i can put down a gallon of whole milk a day without getting the runs? not to say that everyone can do it - i know guys who are younger than me who can't.
you do also realise you are recommending soy milk to men - i'd rather not risk the potential estrogen spike (i'm still not sure whether they have proved it conclusively, but i'm not about to take the risk). whenever i find i'm finding it difficult to digest whole milk i will use lactaid.
blueta2
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silver_shadow said:don't you smoke?
anyway, it is generally true that humans are lactose intolerant or rather become that way over time. however that doesn't mean that all humans must become intolerant suddenly one day. how come i can put down a gallon of whole milk a day without getting the runs? not to say that everyone can do it - i know guys who are younger than me who can't.
you do also realise you are recommending soy milk to men - i'd rather not risk the potential estrogen spike (i'm still not sure whether they have proved it conclusively, but i'm not about to take the risk). whenever i find i'm finding it difficult to digest whole milk i will use lactaid.
yes unfortunatly I do smoke. I am not a heavy smoker (3 a day). I guess we all have our vises. We all have something we do that's not so good for us.
I also recommended almond milk. Low intake of soy products will not cause hormone spikes.
silver_shadow
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blueta2 is a broettemedrep said:
karachi183
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Lactaid rocks.....
blueta2 said:Did you read what I wrote? Once an animal is weaned off of milk, they do not go back and drink it. Has nothing to do with a mother cat feeding an abandoned kitten.
Our brains have NOTHING to do with out digestive systems. Because we have a higher intelligence than animals (well some humans any ways) this changes our digestion is some way? Please enlighten me?
We can get calcium from MANY sources other than dairy. You obviously lack knowledge of nutrition.
Are you a doctor? Have you studied the human digestive tracked? Probably not, so you have no data to even say "We have evolved to produce our own enzymes capable of digesting and utilizing numerous foods, vitamins, minerals, etc. Lactose intolerance is mainly found in countries where cattle farming and milk consumption has been historically low, this is an evolutionary trait"
My gastro helped save me from horrid stomach troubles....I think I'll keep him, but thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you're available to treat me?! ;-)
here is some info
http://www.afpafitness.com/articles/MilkCal2.htm[/url]
http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/calcium.php
http://www.ellenskitchen.com/faqs/calcium.html
Let me know if you need more info
I'm at work right now, but when I get home i'll get into more detail. Let me guess...are you part of the PETA group?
You sat here and stated I know nothing about science or the digestive track, but yet you throw a bunch of unscientific links to sites such as Mercola to me?....LOL! That guy is the biggest quack I have ever seen. You should see some of the bright stuff he writes outside of the milk industry as well....like on Aspartame. He uses no science behind anything he writes.
BTW...I AM a Nutritionist and Food Scientist.
Show me one piece of evidence that ALL people are lactose intolerant at birth and cannot produce these enzymes on their own. Also, I never stated that 'some' people do not suffer from the condition of having Lactose-intolerance at birth, nor did I state that some people such as A Creed, can't develop problems later on in life. For these people, the simple solution is to cut back or eliminate lactose. Any retard knows this. However, those who are not born with this condition, or do not have any symptoms of it, CAN drink milk without lactose causing a problem. Fiber gives people gas, should we not eat this as well? That's like saying we have to drink blood to get Iron....lol.
If you think the human body has not evolved over the years to adapt to changes, then you know nothing about digestion yourself. If you think the human digestive tract/body cannot produce enzymes for digestion of the different foods we eat, then you are the one that does not have a clue. The body is very capable of producing these enzymes unless they are genetically deficient from them at birth. Again, show me the evidence that EVERYBODY is lacking these enzymes to break down a simple Glucose:galactose molecule?
I never stated that there were no other food sources for calcium...you must have got that mixed up reading some of them pseudo-science sites you recommeneded to me.
BMJ
SgtSlaughter
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we have a skip the whole thread and ask question first reader among usCO B-man said:
gettnlarge01
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34yrs old and still drinking a gallon of whole milk a day with no problems,but I 've always told people that I was special!! LOL
qstorm
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Man if you think thats bad, try having it since 9, I am 33 and any dairy products whatsoever I am at the bathroom in 15 mins, thats how bad I have it. Then to top it off early this year if found out i have IBS. ( too much spicy food)
Well you can take those lactaid pills before you eat(they work) pain in the butt to remember to take them everywhere you go, so I deal with the consequences.
Well you can take those lactaid pills before you eat(they work) pain in the butt to remember to take them everywhere you go, so I deal with the consequences.
blueta2
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MR. BMJ said:
Well either you're a liar or a very bad nutritionist, not to mention, can't read. I never said everyone was lactose intolerant at birth. I said once we are weaned off of milk as babies, our bodies do not produce the enzyme to break down lactose.
And no I am not part of PETA. Why, cause I don't drink milk, I am part of PETA?
You talk big, but you don't make a hell of a lot of sense.
Ever hear of Beano? Do you know what that is? It's an enzyme we force into our bodies when we get gas from eating veggies. Why? Well b/c again, most of us do not have the enzymes to break down veggies like cauliflower.
That is all I'm going to say of this subject. Thanks for your insightful jargon though
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redguru
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blueta2 said:Well either you're a liar or a very bad nutritionist, not to mention, can't read. I never said everyone was lactose intolerant at birth. I said once we are weaned off of milk as babies, our bodies do not produce the enzyme to break down lactose.
And no I am not part of PETA. Why, cause I don't drink milk, I am part of PITA?
You talk big, but you don't make a hell of a lot of sense.
Ever hear of Beano? Do you know what that is? It's an enzyme we force into our bodies when we get gas from eating veggies. Why? Well b/c again, most of us do not have the enzymes to break down veggies like cauliflower.
That is all I'm going to say of this subject. Thanks for your insightful jargon though
He also said your cited works were not peer-reviewed. Why not use the magic 8-ball as your guide?
blueta2
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redguru said:
oh hush! My guide is taken from serious researchers as well. That was just the gist of info that is consistent.
I am not against milk drinkers, I was just offering up the knowledge I learned about the subject. Take it or don't, I'm not pushing my opinion down any ones throat.
silver_shadow
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blueta2: go through this link:
http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/lactose.htm
Genetics
The mechanisms controlling lactase production were disputed for many years. Some researchers, drawing on studies of gene regulation in bacteria, argued in the 1960s that lactase was a substrate-inducible enzyme; that is, that lactase production was believed to be stimulated by the presence of its substrate, lactose. In this view, populations that did not use milk as adults lost the ability to produce lactase, whereas groups that did consume milk and milk products retained lactase capability.
Biochemical studies cast doubt on this theory, and family studies have demonstrated that lactase production is controlled by an autosomal gene, recently located on chromosome 2. Persistence of lactase production is a dominant trait (Buller and Grand 1990; Arola and Tamm 1994). Following the terminology suggested by Gebhard Flatz (1987), the two alleles are designated LAC*P for lactase persistence and LAC*R for normal adult lactase restriction. The LAC locus appears to be a regulatory gene that reduces lactase synthesis by reducing the transcription of messenger RNA (Arola and Tamm 1994). Persons inheriting LAC*P from both parents would have lactase persistence into adulthood; those getting LAC*R alleles from both parents would display lactase restriction as adults. Heterozygotes would get different alleles and be LAC*P/LAC*R, but since LAC*P is dominant, lactase activity and ability to digest milk would persist beyond childhood.
the theory you put forward that humans who have been weaned off milk cease to produce lactase has been found erroneous... it is an old theory but the myth persists. they also mention humans evolving to be able to drink milk in to adulthood.
furthermore - i'm around 230lbs, so i need a whole lot more protein than i can get from a couple of glasses of soy milk - there's only so much of red meat and whole eggs i can tolerate eating and i'm not a fan of protein powders. i don't know about almond milk - cows milk is dirt cheap. and i'm not even the biggest around here - there are guys here all the way up to 300lbs who obviously need way more protein. milk is just the most sensible option for those who CAN digest it.
http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/lactose.htm
Genetics
The mechanisms controlling lactase production were disputed for many years. Some researchers, drawing on studies of gene regulation in bacteria, argued in the 1960s that lactase was a substrate-inducible enzyme; that is, that lactase production was believed to be stimulated by the presence of its substrate, lactose. In this view, populations that did not use milk as adults lost the ability to produce lactase, whereas groups that did consume milk and milk products retained lactase capability.
Biochemical studies cast doubt on this theory, and family studies have demonstrated that lactase production is controlled by an autosomal gene, recently located on chromosome 2. Persistence of lactase production is a dominant trait (Buller and Grand 1990; Arola and Tamm 1994). Following the terminology suggested by Gebhard Flatz (1987), the two alleles are designated LAC*P for lactase persistence and LAC*R for normal adult lactase restriction. The LAC locus appears to be a regulatory gene that reduces lactase synthesis by reducing the transcription of messenger RNA (Arola and Tamm 1994). Persons inheriting LAC*P from both parents would have lactase persistence into adulthood; those getting LAC*R alleles from both parents would display lactase restriction as adults. Heterozygotes would get different alleles and be LAC*P/LAC*R, but since LAC*P is dominant, lactase activity and ability to digest milk would persist beyond childhood.
the theory you put forward that humans who have been weaned off milk cease to produce lactase has been found erroneous... it is an old theory but the myth persists. they also mention humans evolving to be able to drink milk in to adulthood.
furthermore - i'm around 230lbs, so i need a whole lot more protein than i can get from a couple of glasses of soy milk - there's only so much of red meat and whole eggs i can tolerate eating and i'm not a fan of protein powders. i don't know about almond milk - cows milk is dirt cheap. and i'm not even the biggest around here - there are guys here all the way up to 300lbs who obviously need way more protein. milk is just the most sensible option for those who CAN digest it.
sweatandscience
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Doesn't soy protein promote estrogen production, or was that just a bogus study?
I read it like a year ago, but don't remember reading anything else about it since.
I sure hope not. I'd really like to start trying more soy products.
I hope all that stuff about milk isn't true and is just junk science, because I can't imagine life without that jug.
I read it like a year ago, but don't remember reading anything else about it since.
I sure hope not. I'd really like to start trying more soy products.
I hope all that stuff about milk isn't true and is just junk science, because I can't imagine life without that jug.
blueta2
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sweatandscience said:
There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much.
The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc.
All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier
missionpossible
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MR. BMJ said:
Got milk? not here you dont....
These ants are sweet eating ants and they are eating the excretment of the aphids, there is nothing "milky" about it. It is packed full of sugar from the plant material the aphids have been feeding on and the sugar is what the ants are after here.
medrep
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blueta2 said:There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much.
The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc.
All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier
that is hottt will you make out with me
I sent a reply to this last night but EF was under it's down time, and it didn't go through I guess...so I am at work and will again do this quickly.
"Well either you're a liar or a very bad nutritionist, not to mention, can't read. I never said everyone was lactose intolerant at birth. I said once we are weaned off of milk as babies, our bodies do not produce the enzyme to break down lactose."
Actually, this is exactly what you stated: "newsflash...every human is technically lactose intolerant. As adults, we do not have the ezymes to break up lactose. Just some people feel the effects more than others."
Okay, so with this statement, after we are weened off the tit, and as children and adults, we are no longer considered humans? What the hell are we then? By stating that we no longer produce the lactase enzyme after child birth is indeed erroneous as Silver Shadow stated. If this were the case, then we would all have hypolactasia symptoms such as abdominal distention/pain, nausea, osmotic diarrhea, bloating, and obsessive gas from microbial fermentation. If you state that "every human" is lacks the enzyme to break down lactose, then YES, you are the liar and one who cannot even remember what you wrote. Let me give you a tip, the AF store has a product called Neurogenix, maybe you could benefit from its ability to trigger better memory. So nice change of tone, but even with the correction, your statement that "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" is stating that everybody IS lactose intolerant. We do not stay infants forever you know that right?
A decrease in lactase enzyme activity is found during childhood and as adults and is considered phylogenetically normal. Furthermore, most adults only have 5-10% lactose digestion capability as newborn infants, but this is normal and does not correlate to complete remission of the lactate enzyme itself. Even more interesting, try reading up on individuals from Northern Europe, North Africa, and nomadic areas of Arabia whose ancestor's sole source of energy was milk. These individuals of the same population today do not even have much of a decline from a newborn infant. However, those whose ancestors were not milk drinkers DO suffer from an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance where the lactase gene is deficient at higher percentages. This population is rare.
LOL...If you still believe that we, "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" can be proven wrong by taking doses of lactose. In fact this has been performed many times by researchers. Take a 50gm dose of lactose and 30minutes later check your blood sugar levels. Since lactase breaks down lactose into both Galactose and glucose, absorption of these two monosaccharides will cause a shift if blood glucose levels. If no rise is present, then you will suffer from lactase deficiency or its symptoms. If blood sugar is elevated, then obviously the human body had the lactase enzyme to break it down. To add onto this, if Lactose is not broken down due to lack of the lactase enzyme, then it will travel down to the colon and produce H2 gas by microbial fermentation. If H2 is present, then some sort of intolerance is present. however, you can still have gas produced by showing some sort of intolerance while receiving a rise in blood glucose levels. These people are the ones that usually suffer from gas and bloat, but they are not 100% lactose intolerant. This condition will continue to get worse for some individuals as they age....as is the case with A Creed and others who posted here. However, this will still not happen to everybody as adults.
"And no I am not part of PETA. Why, cause I don't drink milk, I am part of PETA?"
Well that's good to hear at least.
"You talk big, but you don't make a hell of a lot of sense."
I can't help it if you are slow or have trouble understanding things that are not spelled out to 2nd grade level intelligence. Again, pick up some Neurogenix and maybe it will help with your learning and cognitive skills. Maybe you should try reading PubMed, or at least some kind of high school level science book, instead of reading a bunch of pseudo-science BS.
"Ever hear of Beano? Do you know what that is? It's an enzyme we force into our bodies when we get gas from eating veggies. Why? Well b/c again, most of us do not have the enzymes to break down veggies like cauliflower."
This is only partially true. Beano is an alpha-galactosidase enzyme. It will not ensure 100% break down of all foods. It will only help with foods that need this enzyme to break it down. Try doing research on oligosaccharides....found in lentils, beans....frijoles. Most veggies have fiber that will still cause gas. However, in case you are wondering, I do use this product when needed...been there and done that for years already. This is nothing new.
"That is all I'm going to say of this subject. Thanks for your insightful jargon though"
Yeah, i'd probably end this discussion as well if I were you and try reading some real science. And of course, you are welcome sweetheart
BMJ
"Well either you're a liar or a very bad nutritionist, not to mention, can't read. I never said everyone was lactose intolerant at birth. I said once we are weaned off of milk as babies, our bodies do not produce the enzyme to break down lactose."
Actually, this is exactly what you stated: "newsflash...every human is technically lactose intolerant. As adults, we do not have the ezymes to break up lactose. Just some people feel the effects more than others."
Okay, so with this statement, after we are weened off the tit, and as children and adults, we are no longer considered humans? What the hell are we then? By stating that we no longer produce the lactase enzyme after child birth is indeed erroneous as Silver Shadow stated. If this were the case, then we would all have hypolactasia symptoms such as abdominal distention/pain, nausea, osmotic diarrhea, bloating, and obsessive gas from microbial fermentation. If you state that "every human" is lacks the enzyme to break down lactose, then YES, you are the liar and one who cannot even remember what you wrote. Let me give you a tip, the AF store has a product called Neurogenix, maybe you could benefit from its ability to trigger better memory. So nice change of tone, but even with the correction, your statement that "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" is stating that everybody IS lactose intolerant. We do not stay infants forever you know that right?
A decrease in lactase enzyme activity is found during childhood and as adults and is considered phylogenetically normal. Furthermore, most adults only have 5-10% lactose digestion capability as newborn infants, but this is normal and does not correlate to complete remission of the lactate enzyme itself. Even more interesting, try reading up on individuals from Northern Europe, North Africa, and nomadic areas of Arabia whose ancestor's sole source of energy was milk. These individuals of the same population today do not even have much of a decline from a newborn infant. However, those whose ancestors were not milk drinkers DO suffer from an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance where the lactase gene is deficient at higher percentages. This population is rare.
LOL...If you still believe that we, "as adults, we do not have the enzymes to break up lactose" can be proven wrong by taking doses of lactose. In fact this has been performed many times by researchers. Take a 50gm dose of lactose and 30minutes later check your blood sugar levels. Since lactase breaks down lactose into both Galactose and glucose, absorption of these two monosaccharides will cause a shift if blood glucose levels. If no rise is present, then you will suffer from lactase deficiency or its symptoms. If blood sugar is elevated, then obviously the human body had the lactase enzyme to break it down. To add onto this, if Lactose is not broken down due to lack of the lactase enzyme, then it will travel down to the colon and produce H2 gas by microbial fermentation. If H2 is present, then some sort of intolerance is present. however, you can still have gas produced by showing some sort of intolerance while receiving a rise in blood glucose levels. These people are the ones that usually suffer from gas and bloat, but they are not 100% lactose intolerant. This condition will continue to get worse for some individuals as they age....as is the case with A Creed and others who posted here. However, this will still not happen to everybody as adults.
"And no I am not part of PETA. Why, cause I don't drink milk, I am part of PETA?"
Well that's good to hear at least.
"You talk big, but you don't make a hell of a lot of sense."
I can't help it if you are slow or have trouble understanding things that are not spelled out to 2nd grade level intelligence. Again, pick up some Neurogenix and maybe it will help with your learning and cognitive skills. Maybe you should try reading PubMed, or at least some kind of high school level science book, instead of reading a bunch of pseudo-science BS.
"Ever hear of Beano? Do you know what that is? It's an enzyme we force into our bodies when we get gas from eating veggies. Why? Well b/c again, most of us do not have the enzymes to break down veggies like cauliflower."
This is only partially true. Beano is an alpha-galactosidase enzyme. It will not ensure 100% break down of all foods. It will only help with foods that need this enzyme to break it down. Try doing research on oligosaccharides....found in lentils, beans....frijoles. Most veggies have fiber that will still cause gas. However, in case you are wondering, I do use this product when needed...been there and done that for years already. This is nothing new.
"That is all I'm going to say of this subject. Thanks for your insightful jargon though
"Yeah, i'd probably end this discussion as well if I were you and try reading some real science. And of course, you are welcome sweetheart
BMJ
"There have not been enough studies to prove the estrogen spike theory, but I can tell you, as a women who is 40, if I take too much soy, I do notice a PMS like feeling, but only when I cosume too much."
I'll give you a tip...do a search under the handle name MS both on the diet board and women's board. You will learn a lot about the myths and facts of soy by doing this simple search. However, if soy makes you feel like junk, or if the PMS symptoms get severe, then the obvious choice is to eliminate it like anything else.
"The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc."
Please post all these studies showing "how bad dairy is for the body." While i'll agree that it is probably not the healthiest choice out there due to its properties on insulin sensitivity, high sodium, and fat content (of the whole milk), does not mean that it should be avoided altogether. The high sodium content can be countered, and non/low fat versions can be bought to counter the insulin senstivity issue (sugar + fat avoidance). Also, exercise, R-ala, vinegar, and a hypo-caloric diet will also be beneficial as well.
Yes, it is not a secret, that milk exacerbates asthma, due to the effects it has on mucosal viscocity...And if the woman's child is ALLERGIC to milk then by all means take him off of it. However, because some are ALLERGIC to the proteins does not mean that it is bad for all. Do you think peanuts, corn, eggs, and all the other potential allergenic foods are BAD for everyone? All food proteins are foreign, what food do you know of that produces human proteins?..and not one that is Genetically Modified.
"All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier"
Through trial and error of one's own experiences, we learn a lot about what will work and what will not. I am happy to see that you discovered this. I do not wish ill health on anybody. However, did you find out whether you were lactose intolerant or have any kind of milk/protein allergen? Without knowing these factors, how do you know what the cause of your ill effects came from?
At any rate, you DID do the right thing by eliminating milk from your diet if it did in fact make you feel better. That is not refutable. Same applies to any other foods like stated above. However, what makes one ill does not correlate to everybody.
BMJ
I'll give you a tip...do a search under the handle name MS both on the diet board and women's board. You will learn a lot about the myths and facts of soy by doing this simple search. However, if soy makes you feel like junk, or if the PMS symptoms get severe, then the obvious choice is to eliminate it like anything else.
"The info about milk is not "junk science", there are many studies showing the effects on how bad dairy is for the body, especially for allergies etc."
Please post all these studies showing "how bad dairy is for the body." While i'll agree that it is probably not the healthiest choice out there due to its properties on insulin sensitivity, high sodium, and fat content (of the whole milk), does not mean that it should be avoided altogether. The high sodium content can be countered, and non/low fat versions can be bought to counter the insulin senstivity issue (sugar + fat avoidance). Also, exercise, R-ala, vinegar, and a hypo-caloric diet will also be beneficial as well.
Yes, it is not a secret, that milk exacerbates asthma, due to the effects it has on mucosal viscocity...And if the woman's child is ALLERGIC to milk then by all means take him off of it. However, because some are ALLERGIC to the proteins does not mean that it is bad for all. Do you think peanuts, corn, eggs, and all the other potential allergenic foods are BAD for everyone? All food proteins are foreign, what food do you know of that produces human proteins?..and not one that is Genetically Modified.
"All I can conclude is what I've learned from my own experience. My entire body and health changed when I cut diary out of my diet. I used to get horrible post-nasal drip, chronic cryptic tonsils and sinus infections 5 times a year. When I was informed by a homeopath to stop all dairy, I too thought she was nuts, but when I finally did, within 3 days my post nasal drip was GONE, I never got another sinus infection (I SWEAR TO GOD) and I get one bout of Cryptic tonsils a year only. I do believe the mucus dairy causes keeps illness in the body.
Like I said, not pushing my opinion on others, just telling what made me healthier
"Through trial and error of one's own experiences, we learn a lot about what will work and what will not. I am happy to see that you discovered this. I do not wish ill health on anybody. However, did you find out whether you were lactose intolerant or have any kind of milk/protein allergen? Without knowing these factors, how do you know what the cause of your ill effects came from?
At any rate, you DID do the right thing by eliminating milk from your diet if it did in fact make you feel better. That is not refutable. Same applies to any other foods like stated above. However, what makes one ill does not correlate to everybody.
BMJ
silver_shadow
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funny, i am asthmatic. earlier this year i had a severe attack - my nails were blue, my bp was 190/100! within a week my weight dropped from 225 to 205. milk or no milk, i've been having these problems.MR. BMJ said:
it's partly to do with the city where i live - it's known to be terrible for asthmatics... not sure what it is in the air, maybe pollen, i don't know. the other factor as - i hadn't been to a doc to treat my asthma in years (the last time would have been anywhere between 15-20 years ago when i was a kid). everytime i got breathless i'd just take a puff of my instant relief inhaler.
then in jan when i got sick, it just wasn't working at all. i was desperately taking puffs from the inhaler, i self dosed on salbutamol... no effect. it was so serious i had to go to the doc - turns out i had not bothered to keep in touch with the latest developments in asthma meds. preventive meds have been around for some time but i had missed it because i was just ignorant. since then i've been on preventive therapy which means medication every day for the rest of my life. things have improved immensely - probably won't be the same as a few years ago - i may have permanent partial lung damage which i haven't yet confirmed... but i don't struggle with thick mucous in my throat and heavy wheezing. i just thought i'd share this for whoever has a similar problem.
silver_shadow
New member
blueta2 is a good bro.... oops i mean sis
blueta2
New member
silver_shadow said:
hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I would never push my opinions on others, I just wanted to offer up the info I know about dairy and what really REALLY helped me get well. Sorry if it came across other wise
This is a long read, but quite interesting. This may offer up some good info on your asthma.
http://www.newstarget.com/002684.html
http://www.newstarget.com/002701.html
http://www.newstarget.com/002707.html
http://www.newstarget.com/002712.html
Agian not trying to start a debate, just want to share.
By the way....I am not against a little vodka once and a while ;-)
solidspine
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Good news there is no Lactose in beer
