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12 Week Final Update: Me and the Young man I Trained

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12 Week Final Update: Perkele for you

There will be more pictures in time:

I am NO GURU , but the things I KNOW I am sure of, and this young man absorbed it like a Sponge.

I take my training Philosophies as serious as I do Formula Creation and Supplementation for www.AGXsports.com

I have replicated these results with other people and BEG you to listen to ONE thing:
" YOU do not have to lift like a power lifter to LOOK like a BODYBUILDER."

AS a RESULT of this Thread :) "The Omega Muscular Recomposition Project" has been Born :)

Please Private Message Me To RESERVE SPACE
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/omega.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=18980

I will only take a Handful of those who I believe can do it.

Training is like Art and there is a way for ANYONE to achieve the pinnacle of themselves.

The Beginning:
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6 Weeks in:
4yhvuid.jpg

4utng20.jpg


12 weeks NOW:
4m7b0qg.jpg

4zydcv7.jpg

4oscd36.jpg

6auonzm.jpg

here is a nice pic I just got:
His shoulders are are wider but he kinda had to push them together in this pic in order to flex his chest.
I tell you he had VERY little chest development when we started;
He earned it, its NOT genetics:
5yuqyjm.jpg
 
OMEGA said:
There will be more pictures in time:

I am NO GURU nor anything Special, but the things I KNOW I am sure of, and this young man absorbed it like a Sponge.

I take my training Philosophies as serious as I do Formula Creation and Supplementation for www.AGXsports.com

I have replicated these results with other people and BEG you to listen to ONE thing:
" YOU do not have to lift like a power lifter to LOOK like a BODYBUILDER."

I am seriously considering writing a "how to manual" or Small book on these Philosophies if you guys want it.

Training is like Art and there is a way for ANYONE to achieve the pinnacle of themselves.

The Beginning:
4mrebk2.jpg

67xj9tx.jpg


6 Weeks in:
4yhvuid.jpg

4utng20.jpg


12 weeks NOW:
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6f5xxf8.jpg

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Where to I pre-order my copy Omega? Seriously!
 
damn great job! it is indeed a radical change. The kid has good proportion, symetry and genetics. And your words are priceless, the same I try to teach young dudes at my gym: "quality, not quantity always" Lifting tons sacrificing quality of exercise, will make you impress other dudes at the gym; like saying "I'm the bad ass here" that will only make you end looking and walking like a gorilla. Lower the weight, execute to perfection, nobody will look at you, but you'll give a hell of a heart attack to the hot ladies at the beach.

would you share the shoulder excercises? they look perfectly shaped and developed.
 
Omega, awesome Job!!!! I would be interested in your book/training manuel. Wrte it up!!!!
 
Impressive Bro. Great results.
If you write a manuel be among the first to include all your supplementation (gear included), and not just the products you endorse.
Respect.
I say this not to question your integrity, but I for one am tired of seeing/reading about the top men of bodybuilding/powerlifting without any mention of the gear that made some of it possible. I've been at this long enough to know it's never "all steroids". I also know that a substantial percentage of it is.
 
Was he all natty? Omega if you write that book I want it. Ill Post pre intra and post pics. Let us know when you start it? I wanna know the shoulder routine too. They are fucking JACKED!!!!
 
bump for the readers
 
Powerbuilder....you didnt know it was 95% diet and exercise and only 5% gear??
When I first joined this site thats what EVERYONE was telling me...but after 2 cycles and putting on 25#'s its more like 25% diet and excercise 25% genetics and 50% gear! I'm not down playing hard work by any means...to get the look of this young man it definatly takes that along with a great diet.



Powerbuilder333 said:
Impressive Bro. Great results.
If you write a manuel be among the first to include all your supplementation (gear included), and not just the products you endorse.
Respect.
I say this not to question your integrity, but I for one am tired of seeing/reading about the top men of bodybuilding/powerlifting without any mention of the gear that made some of it possible. I've been at this long enough to know it's never "all steroids". I also know that a substantial percentage of it is.
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OMEGA said:
There will be more pictures in time:

I am NO GURU nor anything Special, but the things I KNOW I am sure of, and this young man absorbed it like a Sponge.

I take my training Philosophies as serious as I do Formula Creation and Supplementation for www.AGXsports.com

I have replicated these results with other people and BEG you to listen to ONE thing:
" YOU do not have to lift like a power lifter to LOOK like a BODYBUILDER."

I am seriously considering writing a "how to manual" or Small book on these Philosophies if you guys want it.

Training is like Art and there is a way for ANYONE to achieve the pinnacle of themselves.

The Beginning:
4mrebk2.jpg

67xj9tx.jpg


6 Weeks in:
4yhvuid.jpg

4utng20.jpg


12 weeks NOW:
4m7b0qg.jpg

4zydcv7.jpg

4oscd36.jpg

6auonzm.jpg
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That book is a good idea bro...write it, im sure myself and alot of people would read it
 
nab12 said:
Powerbuilder....you didnt know it was 95% diet and exercise and only 5% gear??
When I first joined this site thats what EVERYONE was telling me...but after 2 cycles and putting on 25#'s its more like 25% diet and excercise 25% genetics and 50% gear! I'm not down playing hard work by any means...to get the look of this young man it definatly takes that along with a great diet.
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That's the perception I was hoping to avoid. If half your gains came from gear I'd say you could have gone a lot further naturally.
I trained natural 9 years. During my first cycle my bench went from 455 to 505, roughly a 10% improvement. My bodyweight went from 325 to 338, roughly a 3% increase.
My point is: if I was to write a book I'd include the gear I used, how much and how long, along with the training, the nutrition, and the lifestyle aspects involved. Writing about one aspect and not the others would be incomplete and misleading.
 
yes he is shredded

but you must send us his routine for our cutting cycles

definately interested in your book/log

another badge of merit to add to your collection omega !!!
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
That's the perception I was hoping to avoid. If half your gains came from gear I'd say you could have gone a lot further naturally.
I trained natural 9 years. During my first cycle my bench went from 455 to 505, roughly a 10% improvement. My bodyweight went from 325 to 338, roughly a 3% increase.
My point is: if I was to write a book I'd include the gear I used, how much and how long, along with the training, the nutrition, and the lifestyle aspects involved. Writing about one aspect and not the others would be incomplete and misleading.
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So how much over the years have you gained since using gear? Also, with such small improvements do you think its worth the cost, illegality, and other factors?
 
hey omega

When u first posted about that kid u spoke about his tremendous potential. 6 weeks in u showed us. He just keeps delivering doesn't he? Great job!
I like the proportions very much. Great symmetry and great attention to detail. Overall VERY impressive! He's gonna go all the way if he keeps it up.

I'd get a copy of that book.

See ya.
 
justchilling said:
so those gains are supposed to be natural??
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yes good diet, good excercise. He is young; his natural hormone levels are elevated because of his age. Those gains are perfectly normal for a kid. You don't see it often because at that age you don't know what you're doin'; you just want changes NOW; is not like that. In this case, this kid is absorbing the knowledge and advices of an experienced person. I'd give my left nut to go back to that age and have that opportunity.
 
DJ_UFO said:
yes good diet, good excercise. He is young; his natural hormone levels are elevated because of his age. Those gains are perfectly normal for a kid. You don't see it often because at that age you don't know what you're doin'; you just want changes NOW; is not like that. In this case, this kid is absorbing the knowledge and advices of an experienced person. I'd give my left nut to go back to that age and have that opportunity.
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yes indeed.
 
nab12 said:
So how much over the years have you gained since using gear? Also, with such small improvements do you think its worth the cost, illegality, and other factors?
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I've gained quality in following cycles. Also my age (44) is a factor. With the help of gear in the last year I've hit my all time best deadlift, my all time best competitive bench, my all time best gym bench, my all time biggest arm measurement, and my all time best 300 lb + conditioning.
If I had to do it over again I wouldn't have stayed natural as long as I did. I had the mistaken belief that the further I got natural, the further I'd get with gear.
Was it worth it? Hmmmm. I wish I'd have found a more profitable pursuit to become obsessed with, but that wasn't the case. So yes, every ounce of improvement is worth the risk. I've accumalated plenty of short video's, pictures, trophies, state record certificates (still trying to set a world record - masters division), and a few mentions in Powerlifting USA to help me remember the glory days once I'm to feable to continue. Even then I believe 500mg of test per week will help maintain a higher quality of life.
My apologies to Omega. Never intended to hijack your thread. You've done great work with your pupil!
 
DJ_UFO said:
yes good diet, good excercise. He is young; his natural hormone levels are elevated because of his age. Those gains are perfectly normal for a kid. You don't see it often because at that age you don't know what you're doin'; you just want changes NOW; is not like that. In this case, this kid is absorbing the knowledge and advices of an experienced person. I'd give my left nut to go back to that age and have that opportunity.
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BINGO Boss :artist:

He looks MUCH bigger Because it was by DESIGN in our training.

I looked at him and said:

"let us do this, this and this" and the results are an ILLUSION of larger then normal size. Dont get me wrong he is Big and has added mass, but not any amount of mass that could not be gotten through INTELLIGENT application of stress, Strategic use of Supplements, protein intake and rest........

I did not want this young man to be a mass monster I want him to be a long term project made for marketable things

"Illusion NOT Delusion" is what I say.
 
Very nice progress! That is some really nice shoulder / delt development and keeping lean all the way. Good work!
 
Hes fuckin jacked, i grew alot when i first started liftin but nothin to the extreme of this kid, he is shredded all the way!

that book will be a best seller for sure! id camp out for my copy!
 
yes I shared certain supplements with him as I am sure you all know ;)

I did not list them because I did not want you all to think I was Spammy or insincere
or to try to seize on an opportunity to market.

BUT YES indeed he took about 5-6 KEY supplements BY THE BOOK and he even said it made a huge difference.

He gained about 10 Shredded pounds 12 weeks but those 10 were in KEY places for an overall look.

The pics don't show but his arms ARE INSANE we just have to do arm shots directly.

I will try to get some
 
BTW her had very little chest development when we started ( the pics do not show how basic they were) and look what happened :)

I am most proud of that because he really does not have the Genetics for pecs

Now it does not matter because he know how to train them.
 
Thanks Guys! and gal:)

the encouragement is wonderful

could probably fit everything into a 30 page manual;
EVERYTHING with no fluff.

From the get go I told the young man to NOT pay attention to the scale, or excessive strength and to only focus on the look and his diet and the Training itslef. The goal of getting bigger was achieved but the aesthetic was the primary goal.

Strength and Increases in body weight come by default in time.

This may be the final excuse to put in all on paper if people want it :)
I promise it would be something special and unique and cutting edge, not cus I am trying to make it so, but just because it IS.

and by the way all of it is brutally logical and simple
 
Nicely done! I think you would get a good response to putting it all on paper.

I'm cynic #1, but I'll buy the first copy.

I also have a brother in law that is gob of jelly right now and I could absolutely use that info to help motivate him to do things right outside of the gym.

The results look great on this kid. He started from a better bf% that 99% of everyone on here, but I doubt that would hold anyone back from trying it your way.

OMEGA said:
Thanks Guys! and gal:)

the encouragement is wonderful

could probably fit everything into a 30-50 page manual;
EVERYTHING with no fluff.

From the get go I told the young man to NOT pay attention to the scale, or excessive strength and to only focus on the look and his diet. The goal of getting bigger was achieved but the aesthetic was the primary goal.

Strength and Increases in body weight come by default in time.

This may be the final excuse to put in all on paper if people want it :)
I promise it would be something special and unique and cutting edge, not cus I am trying to make it so, but just becuase it IS.

and by the way all of it is brutally logical and simple
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I'm also curious in his before/after stats & measurements (height, weight, etc)
 
10 pound increase thats about all I can offer,

he is of Normal size

Results can be replicated if you are 5'3 or 6'3,
it matters not about your body size.
 
It's a badass improvement!!! Genetics on this kid makes a huge difference too though. I don't think someone with my genetics could ever get anything close to that. I'll buy the book though!!!
 
Gentlemen thanks again :)

it will most likely be a 30 page "HOW to Manual"

there are complexities involved that may make it a bit longer then 30 pages.

But essentially its a Brutally simple Program that allows you to make SURE you develop everything to maximum efficiency and development.

Yonkers there were about 2- 3 times where he was not eating enough and I could tell it was the only thing he slacked on sometimes. So yes Diet IS KEY!

You dont have to eat alot but you have to eat RIGHT almost all the darn time :)
 
OMEGA said:
Gentlemen thanks again :)

it will most likely be a 30 page "HOW to Manual"

there are complexities involved that may make it a bit longer then 30 pages.

But essentially its a Brutally simple Program that allows you to make SURE you develop everything to maximum efficiency and development.

Yonkers there were about 2- 3 times where he was not eating enough and I could tell it was the only thing he slacked on sometimes. So yes Diet IS KEY!

You dont have to eat alot but you have to eat RIGHT almost all the darn time :)
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God Damn it OMEGA!! Just release the book already!! I wanna read it before I waste any more of time, effort and gear without reading your book first.

Oh, and that was a great job too!
 
Just went threw the pics again and I cant get over this guys shoulders...They're fucking awesome.. U sure you didnt airbrush them or something they're freaking incredible.. Please PM me that shoulder routine and bring the rest when your done.. All I can say is wow ..
 
OMEGA said:
Gentlemen thanks again :)

it will most likely be a 30 page "HOW to Manual"

there are complexities involved that may make it a bit longer then 30 pages.

But essentially its a Brutally simple Program that allows you to make SURE you develop everything to maximum efficiency and development.

Yonkers there were about 2- 3 times where he was not eating enough and I could tell it was the only thing he slacked on sometimes. So yes Diet IS KEY!

You dont have to eat alot but you have to eat RIGHT almost all the darn time :)
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for crying out loud, how soon can we get this manual? amazing results man, congrats to you both!
 
Omega- great job with your instruction. the kid had to do all of the work, but with out the amazing plan of attack he would have not gone as far. I think the how to manual is a very good idea. you can add me to the list of people that want one. if prepaying for it helps with the writing of the book let me know, I will paypal you the money. Tell you student he did a great job.....
 
Hi Everyone Thanks again!

Quad I told the young man today how you and Sassy believe in him, and how everyone appreciates his work based on the feedback here.

he was really touched :) The young man has "got it" so I hope he continues!

here is a nice pic I just got:

His shoulders are wider but he kinda had to push them together in this pic in order to flex his chest.
I tell you he had VERY little chest development when we started;
He earned it, its NOT genetics:

5yuqyjm.jpg
 
Deltoid development is nothing short of amazing given where he was.

R1
 
Hats off to the Kid for all his devotion & to Omega for sharing his knowledge with him. Know Omega share it with us..PLEASE
 
Give him a chance to write the book!!! he is not going to give out his stuff free guys and i dont blame him. Just wait for his book and buy it. I bet it is well worth all the money he charges as his supps are superior to alot I have seen on the market.

JUST BE PATIENT.
 
great improvement in his delts and arms. But thats it. what i see is an ever increasing lack of symetry with your program. sorry but i am a firm beleiver in using power movements to build a base that can then be built upon for symetry. im not saying he has to do sets of 3-5 reps if his goal is not strength. what im saying is this. his lack of symetry lies in areas that will never improve without using power movements. for example; his chest will never be on par with his delts and arms if he doesnt do high rep squats and pull-overs to stretch his ribcage out thus making room for a bigger chest, he will always have that flat looking chest that he started out with. his traps are good but not on par with his delts and never will be without heavy deadlifts. his mid to lower back is seriously lacking and will never have the width and especially thickness with out deadlifts and heavy rows. when i say heavy again i do not mean 3-5 reps, although traps seem to respond best to that rep range. 8-10 reps with max weight will accomplish those goals and make him much more symetrical. there are no pics of his legs so i assume the gains were not something on par with his delts. doing squats with a close foot stance in the 12-15 rep range will build solid thighs, keep his hips from expanding, and as long as he doesnt use a belt his stomach will not expand either. the reason stomachs expand from squats is from using a belt because when you squat out of the hole your stomach will push against the belt for stability. if you do not use a belt your stomach will stay very tight. has anybody ever done squats, 8-12 reps with out a belt ? notice how sore your abs are the next day ? i was told to do squats without a belt to strenthen my back and i could not believe how sore my abs got the next day and how much flatter they became. At this point it seems his delts and arms are far ahead of the rest of his development. continuing with the same game plan will either make it worse or you will see no further gains. its just my 2 cc's but id have him start doing some light squats starting at 8-10 reps, foot stance would be heals just inside delts with toes pointing out, no belt and bar right at the bottom of his traps. each set followed by pull overs or you do them at another time if he is to fatigued after each set in the beginning. same thing with deadlifts, either sumo or regular style. again this is just my 2 cc's and an opinion only.
 
When you see the full routine it will become obvious that your opinion is mistaken.

But thanks for your opinion.

As far as "Lack of symmetry" ??? UMMM OK?

And as I like to say:

"You Do not have to lift like a Power lifter to Look like a BODYBUILDER"

"Illusion NOT delusion"

" The Pursuit of Excessive Strength INSTITUTIONALIZES muscle imbalances and favoring of your stronger muscle groups."

etc etc etc.......
 
There is always a hater. you must have overlooked the transformation this kid made in 12 weeks. whether or not you think he is perfectly symmetrical is a moot point. we all have areas we need to work on as I am sure you do too. I am sure he appreciates your input but damn give him props for the transformation he made. Nice back handed compliment by the way.
 
Thats very nice of you

PS: I want to clarify:

there was a type of Strength portion of the program
and it will become clear when the work is done :)

this was not body sculpting

its a true Bodybuilding Routine meant for people to go from Point A to B in the fastest time possible.
 
Thanks for the downer Omega.

Some people just make it look to easy.

Great job on taking him under your wing.
 
Mac173 said:
Some people just make it look to easy.

Great job on taking him under your wing.
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Thanks :)

HE WORKED FOR IT he started from near absolute ZERO
very similar to a Swimmers Build and level of development.

We spent time and effort and I am just glad and happy for him:)

I am going to take him to a higher level maybe 6 months from now

The results you see NOW can be attained in 12-15 weeks of Intelligent Application of Stress and Diet by Anyone.

"Refined Principles of AGR"
 
so Omega...i notice YOU never said he was natural....you did agree with DJ UFO that he is young so his horomones are naturally high. So are we to believe he did not take any steroids or HGH?
 
Nab there is a reason why I do not answer either way.

It is in a way it is IRRELEVANT ( I say this politely and honestly)

He gained barely 10 pounds in 12 weeks and in the beginning he started from near absolute Zero in terms of Muscle Belly development, and had the "base" of a circuit training individual or that of a Recreational swimmer or Track athlete.

So the philosophies took his from Near Zero to what you see now in 12 weeks.
As I said I am no GURU but believe in the training Strongly.
 
OMEGA said:
Nab there is a reason why I do not answer either way.

It is in a way it is IRRELEVANT ( I say this politely and honestly)

He gained barely 10 pounds in 12 weeks and in the beginning he started from near absolute Zero in terms of Muscle Belly development, and had the "base" of a circuit training individual or that of a Recreational swimmer or Track athlete.

So the philosophies took his from Near Zero to what you see now in 12 weeks.
As I said I am no GURU but believe in the training Strongly.
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He had to be on juice, but great work, regardless! Quite a transformation!
 
Mac173 said:
How many cals did you have him on?

macros?
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on the lower end of the Spectrum AND he is EctoMorphic.

It was he food choices and timing NOT the Quantity of calories.

One only need to be 500-750 kcal above their Basal metabilic rate cross referenced from energy expenditure of course.

Sedentary people, and those who want to bust through and create that extra 10-15 pounds of keepable muscle out of no where WILL THRIVE of the Manual and / or Articles.
 
OMEGA said:
BARELY 10 Sir :)

it was "ILLUSION NOT DELUSION"
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well if the padewon looks like that i wonder what the jedi master looks like, post some pics of urself O :-) and right me a fucking chest workout please
 
It will be small so not that long

Maybe 7-10 small yet HARD HITTING Articles Combined.

I wanted to do a set of Free Articles but it would not fit into the scheme of things.


there will be no Supplement Plugging in them, just the goods.
And if any Supplements are mentioned it will be the truth and NOT an AD.
 
instant.muscle said:
well if the padewon looks like that i wonder what the jedi master looks like, post some pics of urself O :-) and right me a fucking chest workout please
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the Chest Workouts are the most effective.

As for my self almost there :) 7 more months........

I had to "unlearn what I had learned" about training , diet, all of it
I am eager to share.
 
OMEGA said:
the Chest Workouts are the most effective.

As for my self almost there :)

I had to "unlearn what I had learned" about training I am eager to share.
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patiently waiting on the delt "manual" brother!
 
instant.muscle said:
u sure u didnt put him on the sauce? how much weight did he gain again? looks like 20 lean pounds
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Instant.muscle....i you look up Omega actually avoids this questions stating "It is in a way it is IRRELEVANT "....take that for what its worth.

While I see what Omega is trying to say in that post, I have to disagree. As you can see by alot of the posts on here people have been lead to belive this guy was juice free, intentional or not, that is the preception. Im not saying he is or isnt juice free, you guys make you own decision on that. However, I happen to think he is juicing and by avoiding the question and letting folks think he "sculpted" this guy from great training and helped in large part by Omegas own supplements is hurting Omegas credibiltiy. but thats only in my opinion, you guys form your own.
 
nab12 said:
Instant.muscle....i you look up Omega actually avoids this questions stating "It is in a way it is IRRELEVANT "....take that for what its worth.

While I see what Omega is trying to say in that post, I have to disagree. As you can see by alot of the posts on here people have been lead to belive this guy was juice free, intentional or not, that is the preception. Im not saying he is or isnt juice free, you guys make you own decision on that. However, I happen to think he is juicing and by avoiding the question and letting folks think he "sculpted" this guy from great training and helped in large part by Omegas own supplements is hurting Omegas credibiltiy. but thats only in my opinion, you guys form your own.
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Bro it doesn't matter. You can inject yourself 5 grams every day but if you don't know how to eat or how to train, you'll only look like a water balloon; and of course everything will go away after you stop using drugs. Do they help? of course! but they should be considered just an extra boost and not depend on them to make gains.
 
nab12 said:
Instant.muscle....i you look up Omega actually avoids this questions stating "It is in a way it is IRRELEVANT "....take that for what its worth.

While I see what Omega is trying to say in that post, I have to disagree. However, I happen to think he is juicing and by avoiding the question and letting folks think he "sculpted" this guy from great training and helped in large part by Omegas own supplements is hurting Omegas credibiltiy. but thats only in my opinion, you guys form your own.
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Well you are entitled to your opinion and I understand.

He gained Barerly 10 pounds in 12 weeks and started with no more then a Recreation Swimmers Body at near ZERO. 10 pounds get it?
You can do that on Foos alone let alone AAS.

I do not say yes or no becuase it is irrellavant because the principles of training and diet are the SAME , OFF or ON.

As far as Supplement Plugging PLEASE, there will be NONE of that in the Manual and if there are any mention of Supps it will be in cursory fashion NOT an AD.
 
instant.muscle said:
ok well i'll ask, was he on anything illegal or no?
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I am sorry , but I will maintain my arguement that is it irrelevant. An will not say either way.

Having been on both sides can say that the Training is UNIVERSAL in nature,
thus no need to say one or the other.

Sorry if some disagree, but I respectfully maintain my opinion.

thanks...

-OMEGA
 
I'm guessing you put him on something like Anavar for 10 weeks since he didn't get big and puffy. Nice work though, regardless of what you did.
 
im not being funny with you omega but if he made those gains naturally then it makes your training all the more impressive, not sayin its not impressive if he was on steroids, id just like to no becasue then i can get a better perspective on it, thanks
 
Awesome job. He started with an amazing base. His BF looks like 5% or something and such a tiny waist... Lucky bastard! Keep it up!
 
DJ_UFO said:
Bro it doesn't matter. You can inject yourself 5 grams every day but if you don't know how to eat or how to train, you'll only look like a water balloon; and of course everything will go away after you stop using drugs. Do they help? of course! but they should be considered just an extra boost and not depend on them to make gains.
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I agree it takes great training, great diet and also it takes GEAR. To say it doesnt matter is hoping everyone else on here is Naive! If it didnt matter you wouldnt take gear!
Im not trying to take anything away from anyone but to avoid the question stating it doesnt matter is misleading!
I tend to agree with Big Crackers statement earlier in this thread "Writing about one aspect and not the others would be incomplete and misleading." Especially when the one being misleading is trying to sell something, doesnt matter is its supplements or a how to manuel!

But again, I state this as my own personal opinion everyone form their own.
 
goldie123 said:
im not being funny with you omega but if he made those gains naturally then it makes your training all the more impressive, not saying its not impressive if he was on steroids, id just like to no because then i can get a better perspective on it, thanks
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The only factor anabolic androgenic steroids provides is the ability to synthesis supra-physiological levels of protein ( alot more muscle then you an hold naturally)

I argue its irrelevant in the case of this young man since the NET gain was barely 10 pounds in 12 weeks.

He started with no more then a Recreational swimmers or track athletes build.

Believe it;
The training philosophies and diet are Universal and nature and Applicable to us all. And this is from being on both sides of the fence.
 
OMEGA said:
The only factor anabolic androgenic steroids provides is the ability to synthesis supra-physiological levels of protein ( alot more muscle then you an hold naturally)

I argue its irrelevant in the case of this young man since the NET gain was barely 10 pounds in 12 weeks.

He started with no more then a Recreational swimmers or track athletes build.

Believe it;
The training philosophies and diet are Universal and nature and Applicable to us all. And this is from being on both sides of the fence.
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Omega...if its irrelevant than it means it could have been accomplished without anabolics....so if thats the case than just state it we would all be much more impressed! Although, again I'm still pretty impressed. Its pretty simple...im really not trying to be argumentative...but if he did it without than state it...it DOES matter, if it didnt, none of us would take anabolics!
 
nab12 said:
Omega...if its irrelevant than it means it could have been accomplished without anabolics..
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That is CORRECT, which is why its IRRELEVANT

Look :), I have a reason why I am firm in this position Sir:


"The only factor anabolic androgenic steroids provides is the ability to synthesize supra-physiological levels of protein ( alot more muscle then you an hold naturally)

I argue its irrelevant in the case of this young man since the NET gain was barely 10 pounds in 12 weeks.

He started with no more then a Recreational swimmers build or that of a NOVICE track athletes build.

Believe it;
The training philosophies and diet are Universal and nature and Applicable to us all.
And this is FROM BEING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE Sir."
 
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