1-T Ethergel/Boldione cycle: Results

[Bill Llewellyn]

How do you define high doses? Something like 9-12 a day or less than that?

Well, really any dose. But judging on the potecy difference between an effectively delivered 1-Test product and oral 1-AD, I assumed we'd really only see it in people taking higher amounts.


- Bill

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Now here is the old Macro.

Everyone has been testing their materials for DHT, Test and Boldenone for fear of having legal problems. Pat did one good thing, in that he shook everyone up about it. No steroid contaninants are being found now at all, and the purity of 1-Test is extremely high.

Any my last batch was over 99% pure 1-Test THP BTW.

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Again not possible.

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so DHT, test and boldenone are the ONLY three steroids that are by products of the manufacture...

have you considered the possiblity of other by products... and their possible effect..

btw- you have PM

comments as to purity were more in reference to 1t-base..

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

so DHT, test and boldenone are the ONLY three steroids that are by products of the manufacture...

That are illegal steroids, yes.

have you considered the possiblity of other by products... and their possible effect..

I'd love to hear your suggestions as to what else could be in there? Estrogen?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

To be more specific, and Pat can correct me if I'm wrong as I am not the chemist, the process goes something like:

5-alpha androstanedione is converted to 1-androstenedione by adding the delta-1. Then the 17b-oh group is added to form 1-Test.

The potential contaminants in this process are testosterone and boldenone (if a 4 bond is accidentially added) or DHT (if some unresolved androstanedione is left to form DHT. What else do you think is going to be in there macro?

 

[pa1ad]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=129338

Someone sent me copies of couple of posts from BB.com.. though at least one of them was from 1-test/4-ad user.. though searched over there and only found one 1t/4ad post(may have been the same one).. no longer have the email or search might have been more fruitful.

pro-hormones is a topic I spend little or no time on.. but 1-ad and 1-test seem interesting.. as they do seem to be an improvement on the earlier PH (which at the time seemed promising as well)

Part of the reason for my earlier post was that after having recently to spoken to ((perhaps the primary)) a importer of PH.. given his comments that contamination levels have at times been very high.. and considerable amounts of raw material are/were in detention or had to be reprocessed.. was wondering if this was part of the reason for some of the sides experienced..including but not limited to gyno.

btw- since no one actually knows what kind of binding 1-test has, regardless of whether it aromatizes, it could potentially cause gyno. it is not exactly well studied.. isn't there only one study from about 30 years ago??

There are several studies on 1-test. HOwever only one that i am aware of concerning aromatization and it showed that it does not aromatize. I would not expect it to have any intrinsic estrogenic activity either.

However, a rebound imbalance of test/est post cycle is always a possibility, and at that point gyno can arise

 

[pa1ad]

so DHT, test and boldenone are the ONLY three steroids that are by products of the manufacture...

have you considered the possiblity of other by products... and their possible effect..

btw- you have PM

comments as to purity were more in reference to 1t-base..

those three contaminants are known to be formed as side products in the dehydrogenation reaction to form 1-test. There is no reason to expect other steroids to be present

 

[pa1ad]

To be more specific, and Pat can correct me if I'm wrong as I am not the chemist, the process goes something like:

5-alpha androstanedione is converted to 1-androstenedione by adding the delta-1. Then the 17b-oh group is added to form 1-Test.

The potential contaminants in this process are testosterone and boldenone (if a 4 bond is accidentially added) or DHT (if some unresolved androstanedione is left to form DHT. What else do you think is going to be in there macro?

That is essentially correct. An alternative method is to make the 1-test from DHT, however you would still end up with the same side products. I have a flowchart from the chinese manufacturer though and it indicates that they do indeed go through the dione

 

[macrophage69alpha]

There are several studies on 1-test.

CITATIONS??

 

[Fortes]

I strongly believe 1-AD/1-Test suppresses estrogen to a great degree.

1-AD made me look more cut, even in conjunction with 4-AD.

I got the tired eyes/bitterness syndrome after every dose of 1-AD. Towards the end of my 4 week cycle, my fatty gyno and lovehandles (which I've had since I was 11) had gone down to the point where I really felt like I could take a picture of myself naked and be proud.

BUT . . . as Pat mentioned . . . post cycle I experienced SEVERE rebound of estrogen. How do I know? Simple. I now have stretch marks around my nipples and all over my love handles because they got a LOT fatter post cycle. I didn't taper, and I didn't use any Anti-E's or Clomid . . .

Go figure.

All in all, I'd do 1-AD/1-Test again if

1) It didn't make my hair fall out

2) I was properly equipped with a powerful Anti-E for post-cycle.

Other than the sides, it is the most worthwhile supplement I have ever used, no joke.

 

[pa1ad]

CITATIONS??

1.Counsel et al., “Anabolic Agents. Derivatives of 5alpha-Androst-1-ene”, J. Org. Chem., 27 (1962), 248-251
2. Galletti and Gardi, “Metabolism of 1-Dehydroandrostanes in Man”, J Steroid Biochem, 3 (1972), 933-936
3. Langecker, “Beziehungen Zwischen Substitution im Ring A und Abbau im Stoffwechsel bei Verwandten des Testosterons”, Acta Endocrin, 41 (1962), 494-506
4. Lieberman et al., J. Biol. Chem, 182 (1950), 299


There are several more too in addition to this, many dealing with in-vitro metabolism. The aforementioned deal with in-vivo activity and metabolism