1-T Ethergel/Boldione cycle: Results

[1fast400]

Well, I would personally like to see these post. I post on bb.com, syntrax.com and here at elite. I have yet to see a post like that. I'm just wondering if I missed something.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=129338

Someone sent me copies of couple of posts from BB.com.. though at least one of them was from 1-test/4-ad user.. though searched over there and only found one 1t/4ad post(may have been the same one).. no longer have the email or search might have been more fruitful.

pro-hormones is a topic I spend little or no time on.. but 1-ad and 1-test seem interesting.. as they do seem to be an improvement on the earlier PH (which at the time seemed promising as well)

Part of the reason for my earlier post was that after having recently to spoken to ((perhaps the primary)) a importer of PH.. given his comments that contamination levels have at times been very high.. and considerable amounts of raw material are/were in detention or had to be reprocessed.. was wondering if this was part of the reason for some of the sides experienced..including but not limited to gyno.

btw- since no one actually knows what kind of binding 1-test has, regardless of whether it aromatizes, it could potentially cause gyno. it is not exactly well studied.. isn't there only one study from about 30 years ago??

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=129338

I've seen a couple of complaints also. One guy just emailed me in fact, and said he got this from a dermal (nipple puffiness and itching), and Viratase (aromatase inhibitor) cleared it up for him. I'm confused actually.

Part of the reason for my earlier post was that after having recently to spoken to ((perhaps the primary)) a importer of PH.. given his comments that contamination levels have at times been very high.. and considerable amounts of raw material are/were in detention or had to be reprocessed.. was wondering if this was part of the reason for some of the sides experienced..including but not limited to gyno.

None of my materials ever had purity problems, but again, I did not jump on the first lots of material. None of the material now should have a problem though. And the only way gyno would be a problem is if a dermal was using older material that had a good amount of testosterone in it. I don't think was ever the case, as we are talking low level contamination, not large percentages of illegal steroid.

Pat may know how bad some of the earlier materials actually were.

- since no one actually knows what kind of binding 1-test has, regardless of whether it aromatizes, it could potentially cause gyno. it is not exactly well studied.. isn't there only one study from about 30 years ago??

As rare as it is, and as much as I hate to say it, macro has actually made a correct statement here (well, except for the one study 30 years ago comment). We know quite a bit about the anabolic and androgenic properties of 1-Test actually, however we don't have studies looking at estrogen receptor binding. We have no reason to look at the structure and think it is likely, however anything is possible so we can't exclude it. It would have to be a problem with people using high doses of 1-AD though (all the metabolites are the same), and that has been around for a while now. I'm not seeing too much feedback on that..


Interesting side note. Vida cites 2 references in his book for 1-androstenedione actually aromatizing to estrogen (to spite no known pathway for this to occur). The problem is the first is an old study showing 9% estrogen formation or so, the other is a latter, more detailed, study refuting the first. I don't think it is possible, but you never know if somehow that first study actually had it right....

But again, where are the high dose 1-AD users?

- Bill

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

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[1fast400]

With dealing with the general public so much, I've gotten used to people not telling you the whole story. I'll have customers tell me how X product is total crap and doesn't work, yet they took cell-tech and gained 30lbs. I'm often times customers find a way to screw up a good product. As I'm writing this, I'm listening to a guy talk about how 6 1-AD a day didn't do anything for him. Upon the end of the conversation he took little protein, trained twice per week and didn't drink shakes post workout. Yet, when someone else came into the store, he told them that stuff was "crap" and didn't work. Sorry for sounding so defensive on the post macro. So far I've yet to have complaints of gyno with 1-AD/1-test ether/ONE. I've sold around 600-700 1-AD, about 100 ONE's and just a vew 1-test ethers (I just got them in). That is why I questioned the comment.

 

[Cheeseburger]

Macro does not know what he is talking about...he learned everything at GNC!

 

[Par Deus]

The first batch of 1-test had pretty high levels, but all of them since have been 98%+ pure, so these reports are not due to contaminants.

There are enough reports to make a person curious, but they represent a very small % of users -- probably 1/2 of 1% at most.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The first batch of 1-test had pretty high levels, but all of them since have been 98%+ pure, so these reports are not due to contaminants.

these are not the figures that have been quoted to me... 95% purity is considered to be VERY good for 1-test.. if you mean 98% of the "steroids" contained within that 95% then ???.. but it may be that the source of information is wrong.. but that is doubtful.. since he had more to lose by being honest..

the real question is whether gyno is from these small percentage of other "steroids"?

or from 1-test due to binding to ER or PR?

or some other cause?? prolactin, liver abnormalities, etc.etc..

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

these are not the figures that have been quoted to me... 95% purity is considered to be VERY good for 1-test.. if you mean 98% of the "steroids" contained within that 95% then ???.. but it may be that the source of information is wrong.. but that is doubtful.. since he had more to lose by being honest..

Now here is the old Macro.

Everyone has been testing their materials for DHT, Test and Boldenone for fear of having legal problems. Pat did one good thing, in that he shook everyone up about it. No steroid contaninants are being found now at all, and the purity of 1-Test is extremely high.

Any my last batch was over 99% pure 1-Test THP BTW.

the real question is whether gyno is from these small percentage of other "steroids"?

Again not possible.

or from 1-test due to binding to ER or PR?

or some other cause?? prolactin, liver abnormalities, etc.etc..

Possible. I would guess estrogenic activity myself it is true. But I really want to get more feedback from people taking only 1-Test or high 1-AD doses.

 

[1fast400]

How do you define high doses? Something like 9-12 a day or less than that?