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HcGenerate. Let's get real for a second.

ryno9000

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I haven't tried it, so please don't think I am talking shit on it. It seems to have good reputation around here, so I take that to mean something.

Based on the name, and it's marketed use as Post Cycle treatment, I expect it to mimic HcG. But it's more expensive than actual HcG. So....I don't get it.
 
Hcg is illegal without a prescription.

Hcg requires reconstitution, refrigeration and injections.

Hcg is a woman's pregnancy hormone.

Hcg actually shuts down LH Production. consider it like a lh mimicker


Hcgenerate on the other hand is completely legal.

A natural, over the counter supplement.

Fadogia is actually shown to stimulate the leydig cells, so that the pituitary gland is not overworked and produces your own natural LH.

Helps your body ease into PCT.

Testofen, Fenugreek and Zinc give you a nice little boost in the libido department.


Hcgenerate > Human Chorionic Gonadtropin
 
I will tell you this, I have used HcGenerate in the past and it works as advertised. I ran it as part of a natty stack and I knew that it was working because after a week my skin got oily and I had small pimples on my upper arms. Not to mention it boosted my libido a bunch too. You know the stuff is good when your wife asks you when you are going to start taking it again..lol
 
I used HCGenererate after my last cycle. At first I did a PCT of Nolva/Clomid and felt like shit. Not much libido, always felt like a little girl. Figured I wasn't really recovered even though I had done PCT exactly like it had been laid out to me. I asked a couple vets on this board about what may be wrong and they all recomemded to try HCGenerate. Took about 5 days but I felt like myself again. Energy at the gym, no mood swings and libido was back and then some. Try it if your unsure. Needto backs his products a 100% if you don't like it he'll give you your money back. When I first came to this board I thought it was all about self promotion, now that I've tried the products, I've become a believer. They work.
 
Hands down my favorite supplement, first time I took it as part of my pct from an Mdrol cycle and was blown away! Crazy to gain MORE in the month post cycle, and it made my balls swell up noticeably, my wife asked me why I kept grabbing my package, but she liked the results plenty. I hadn't woke up to every morning woodies in alot of years prior to that. I'm on test now, no shortage of those at the moment but I'll use hcgenerate mid cycle and post cycle and as long as I can afford it, as much as possible in between cycles.

My favorite things to put into my body:
1.test
2.dbol
3.hcgenerate
 
HCGen isn't my product but I have to say, it's a brilliant supp to take while on cycle to keep LH from shutting down entirely. Of course, you can't do a gram a week for 6 months and expect it to work, but for guys who do reasonable cycles it can be tremendously helpful.

I still recommend a little real HCG after a cycle to give the HPTA a bump.

BRIDGE is the only other product that contains fadogia and perfectly complements the process on pre cycle, on cycle, PCT and post PCT.

It's a lifestyle.
 
Plus no one mentioned that you can run hcgenerate for way longer than hcg, since hcg will start to lose it's effectiveness!
 
Anything safer will ALWAYS be more expenisve, but I can attest that HCGenrate does what it supposed to do, that simple!
 
That's a fair request and I will absolutely do so if I buy some!

You are missing out on the supplement of 2010 as i have it listed, you can run it anytime and the stuff will enhance your workouts while making you horney as a rabbit!
 
I have never used NTBM's HCGenerate so I can't really comment, but I have heard great things about it... with that said HCG works best while ON a cycle to prevent testicular shutdown as it mimics LH, I don't recommend HCG during PCT as you want to restore HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis) and HCG will hinder that process.
 
I haven't tried it, so please don't think I am talking shit on it. It seems to have good reputation around here, so I take that to mean something.

Based on the name, and it's marketed use as Post Cycle treatment, I expect it to mimic HcG. But it's more expensive than actual HcG. So....I don't get it.


The hypothalamus, upon realizing that blood levels of androgens are low releases Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH). GnRH goes to the pituitary which takes this hormone as the stimulus to release Lutenising Hormone (LH). LH then goes to the testes and stimulates T production. HCG mimics LH however it is not LH!!!!!!!

The HCG would stimulate more T to be released. but during a cycle the hypothalamus would still "recognise" the increased level of androgens and still stop releasing GnRH which in turn would lead to the pituitary stopping your own natural production of LH.

This wouldn't matter so much whilst you were taking the HCG as this replaces the LH and so T production would continue whilst you kept taking the HCG. So although Hcg may prevent degeneration of the ladeg cells (remember that your own body isn't producing any LH or GnRH anymore!!! regardless )

As the hypothalamus recognizes outside sources of both androgens and LH now it will feather suppress its own production of LH and GnRH :biggrin: The problem is that whilst the pituitary has been lying dormant due to not receiving any GnRH from the Hypothalamus it atrophies (just like the testes do when not used).

Get it?


In a normal healthy male luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are sent from the brain (the pituitary) to stimulate the testes to make testosterone and sperm.

The release of LH & FSH from the pituitary is stimulated by Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is stimulated to produce GnRH when it senses low levels of testosterone and estrogen.

(hypothalamus [GnRH] --- > pituitary [LH & FSH]--- >(hcg would be placed here if we placed it anywhere)---> testes [testosterone])


So although hcg may cause there to be less atrophie of the ladeg cells it in turn causes more atrophie of the pituitary.


ingredients in hcgenerate -- increases testosterone production by preventing the negative feedback of testosterone and estrogen on the hypothalamus through GABAergic modulation though. And although researchers are just beginning to understand how the GABAergic system regulates the hypothalamus and GnRH secretion its important to know that a lot more studies have been done and are getting done then you think.. On Natural ingredients!!! Like phytoserms one can find in products like hcgenerate and phytoserm-347


Now I am not saying that preventing the desensitization of the ladeg cells during a cycle is not a good thing. Because as we know No matter how much LH & FSH the brain secretes, the testes won't secrete testosterone if they are desensitized to LH & FSH. (remember, this can happen from too much, or not enough LH & FSH stimulation)


hCG’s effect is centralized at the Leydig cells of the testicles and stimulates hormone function at the testicular level but does not reverse hypothalamic-pituitary suppression. Adequate stimulation from pituitary gonadotropins is required for the Leydig cells of the testicles to function independently in the body’s normal hormone axis.


of course during a cycle there are natural compounds and products that work through different mechanisms to prevent complete shutdown with out feather suppressing pituitary some through GABAergic modulation and some through others like with hcgenerate.



Bio-identical/Homeopathic hormones are plant-derived and identical to the body's hormones. They are naturally the exact same thing and or they cause "natural" production/suppression of the target hormone.

Synthetic hormones such as hcg or a drug like serm are similar but not identical to the body's hormones. Fethermore they are "always" a outside source of the parent/target hormone. Moreover through manipulation of the hormone cascade they can also be used to suppress the production of a target hormone in the hopes to facilitate the production of another. We use compounds like Hcg and or clomid often notwithstanding the fact These slight chemical shift create a mismatches between the body's receptors ,Parent hormones,sister hormones, and or governing hormone cascade.

Now don't pull out your pitch forks and torches just yet:qt:
I love my steroids,drugs,chemical enhancement just as much as the next guy and in fact IMO more bwahahahahaaaa . So lets not try and act like I am downing there use. On the contrary I just happen to be more of a nonconformist who believes that Both Natural and synthetic coexist synergisticly in many concomitant circumstances.

Bio-Identical or Homeopathic . One naturally augments or reduces and the other Naturally replaces. Although all things considered Naturally replacing is often (but not always) the superior. This creates less of a problem in the way of mismatching, adverse reactions, or suppression then the chemical counterparts.

Weather Fadogia agrestis method of action is more of a Bio-Identical or a Homeopathic Is somewhat unfounded however its actions through what ever Natural Mechanisms is founded. Through both scientific and real world results/feed back.

Title: Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.
Author: Yakubu MT , Akanji MA , Oladiji AT
Source: Asian J Androl, 7(4): 399-404 2005


Abstract: AIM: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. METHODS: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. RESULTS: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). CONCLUSION: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia

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A cut and past of what I wrote in a different thread but most of it applies here in this thread.
 
The hypothalamus, upon realizing that blood levels of androgens are low releases Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH). GnRH goes to the pituitary which takes this hormone as the stimulus to release Lutenising Hormone (LH). LH then goes to the testes and stimulates T production. HCG mimics LH however it is not LH!!!!!!!

The HCG would stimulate more T to be released. but during a cycle the hypothalamus would still "recognise" the increased level of androgens and still stop releasing GnRH which in turn would lead to the pituitary stopping your own natural production of LH.

This wouldn't matter so much whilst you were taking the HCG as this replaces the LH and so T production would continue whilst you kept taking the HCG. So although Hcg may prevent degeneration of the ladeg cells (remember that your own body isn't producing any LH or GnRH anymore!!! regardless )

As the hypothalamus recognizes outside sources of both androgens and LH now it will feather suppress its own production of LH and GnRH :biggrin: The problem is that whilst the pituitary has been lying dormant due to not receiving any GnRH from the Hypothalamus it atrophies (just like the testes do when not used).

Get it?


In a normal healthy male luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) are sent from the brain (the pituitary) to stimulate the testes to make testosterone and sperm.

The release of LH & FSH from the pituitary is stimulated by Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is stimulated to produce GnRH when it senses low levels of testosterone and estrogen.

(hypothalamus [GnRH] --- > pituitary [LH & FSH]--- >(hcg would be placed here if we placed it anywhere)---> testes [testosterone])


So although hcg may cause there to be less atrophie of the ladeg cells it in turn causes more atrophie of the pituitary.


ingredients in hcgenerate -- increases testosterone production by preventing the negative feedback of testosterone and estrogen on the hypothalamus through GABAergic modulation though. And although researchers are just beginning to understand how the GABAergic system regulates the hypothalamus and GnRH secretion its important to know that a lot more studies have been done and are getting done then you think.. On Natural ingredients!!! Like phytoserms one can find in products like hcgenerate and phytoserm-347


Now I am not saying that preventing the desensitization of the ladeg cells during a cycle is not a good thing. Because as we know No matter how much LH & FSH the brain secretes, the testes won't secrete testosterone if they are desensitized to LH & FSH. (remember, this can happen from too much, or not enough LH & FSH stimulation)


hCG’s effect is centralized at the Leydig cells of the testicles and stimulates hormone function at the testicular level but does not reverse hypothalamic-pituitary suppression. Adequate stimulation from pituitary gonadotropins is required for the Leydig cells of the testicles to function independently in the body’s normal hormone axis.


of course during a cycle there are natural compounds and products that work through different mechanisms to prevent complete shutdown with out feather suppressing pituitary some through GABAergic modulation and some through others like with hcgenerate.



Bio-identical/Homeopathic hormones are plant-derived and identical to the body's hormones. They are naturally the exact same thing and or they cause "natural" production/suppression of the target hormone.

Synthetic hormones such as hcg or a drug like serm are similar but not identical to the body's hormones. Fethermore they are "always" a outside source of the parent/target hormone. Moreover through manipulation of the hormone cascade they can also be used to suppress the production of a target hormone in the hopes to facilitate the production of another. We use compounds like Hcg and or clomid often notwithstanding the fact These slight chemical shift create a mismatches between the body's receptors ,Parent hormones,sister hormones, and or governing hormone cascade.

Now don't pull out your pitch forks and torches just yet:qt:
I love my steroids,drugs,chemical enhancement just as much as the next guy and in fact IMO more bwahahahahaaaa . So lets not try and act like I am downing there use. On the contrary I just happen to be more of a nonconformist who believes that Both Natural and synthetic coexist synergisticly in many concomitant circumstances.

Bio-Identical or Homeopathic . One naturally augments or reduces and the other Naturally replaces. Although all things considered Naturally replacing is often (but not always) the superior. This creates less of a problem in the way of mismatching, adverse reactions, or suppression then the chemical counterparts.

Weather Fadogia agrestis method of action is more of a Bio-Identical or a Homeopathic Is somewhat unfounded however its actions through what ever Natural Mechanisms is founded. Through both scientific and real world results/feed back.

Title: Aphrodisiac potentials of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Schweinf. Ex Hiern) stem in male albino rats.
Author: Yakubu MT , Akanji MA , Oladiji AT
Source: Asian J Androl, 7(4): 399-404 2005


Abstract: AIM: To evaluate the phytochemical constituents and the aphrodisiac potential of the aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis (Rubiaceae) stem in male albino rats. METHODS: The aqueous stem extract of the plant was screened for phytochemical constituents. Male rats were orally dosed with 18 mg/kg, 50 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg body weight, respectively, of the extract at 24 h intervals and their sexual behavior parameters and serum testosterone concentration were evaluated at days 1, 3 and 5. RESULTS: Phytochemical screening revealed the presence of alkaloids and saponins while anthraquinones and flavonoids are weakly present. All the doses resulted in significant increase in mount frequency, intromission frequency and significantly prolonged the ejaculatory latency (P 0.05) and reduced mount and intromission latency (P 0.05). There was also a significant increase in serum testosterone concentrations in all the groups in a manner suggestive of dose-dependence (P 0.05). CONCLUSION: The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased the blood testosterone concentrations and this may be the mechanism responsible for its aphrodisiac effects and various masculine behaviors. It may be used to modify impaired sexual functions in animals, especially those arising from hypotestosteronemia

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/hcgenerate-needto-does-again-691319.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/hcgenerate-716865.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/hcgenerate-sent-heaven-way-needto-707933.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/my-hcgenerate-experience-687243.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/hcgenerate-needto-707157.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/hcgenerate-689005.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...ate-amazing-need-some-help-advice-711743.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...w-hcgenerate-saved-yet-another-me-704063.html
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/wow-hcgenerate-powerful-699719.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/hcgenerate-year-round-695837.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/hcgenerate-review-695755.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/props-n2bm-hcgod-like-sex-720583.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...perience-hcgenerate-formastanozol-722309.html


A cut and past of what I wrote in a different thread but most of it applies here in this thread.

And to all that, I'd add, that's another reason to follow PCT with BRIDGE. It too contains fadogia, so while you're in-between cycles you're supporting the release of LH -- maintaining recovery and preparing for the next cycle.
 
My honest review, I was skeptic before trying HCGenerate. I mean, the supplement market is full of shit. But I thought I'd try it once. To sum up my experience, it works.

It improved my perfomance, built mass, increased my endurance, increased my libido.

Negatives: If I take it on empty stomach it causes a heart burn.

I am now in my 5th bottle, and I will continue to order more. It does worth the money.
 
i think i read your only supposed to run hcgen for 8 weeks max before receptors ware out. anyways i use it while on cycle instead of pct. and run postcycle unleashed and formastanzol for pct. keeps me good as my cycle comes to an end in that last week or 2. and im assuming it makes pct much easier to be effective too since my test levels arent so depleted
 
this stuff makes me really hornyyy..cycle it anytime imo..will make the ladies happy lol
 
I'm a younger guy and I have even taken it to keep from losing gains after supp cycles and it works well for that as well.

Normally, when I'm on a cutting cycle and my lifting is sparse, I get that feeling that we all know where you just feel like your muscles are dying.....relaxing, like youre losing them.

HCGenerate took that feeling away.....even at the age of 18, I felt like I was still in good shape even when it had been a week or so since my last good lift.
 
Testicular.

Oh yes. First thing I noticed about it. 5 caps a day (suggested serving) made em huge.

Not to mention the SHBG lowering effects. On as little as 2 caps a day of HCGenerate, my SHBG was 16 nmol/L with a reference range of 11-80.
 
Oh yes. First thing I noticed about it. 5 caps a day (suggested serving) made em huge.

Not to mention the SHBG lowering effects. On as little as 2 caps a day of HCGenerate, my SHBG was 16 nmol/L with a reference range of 11-80.

I begin end of this week as part of a short PCT protocol before going back ON in another 8 weeks. I'll be sure to post up my results!
 
For march Only You can purchase any NTBM product at 25% off Just use the Code RADAR25 :)
 
1 week @ 5 pills/day in the morning as part of PCT. Um...my balls still look like tic tacs.

I always take 3am and 2pm to achieve my 5 caps per day. Also, what was the cycle you're coming off of? Injectable HCG won't bring your testicular function and size back to normal in a few days, so I hope you weren't expecting your testes to normalize from their wasted condition in merely one week with HCGenerate?
 
I always take 3am and 2pm to achieve my 5 caps per day. Also, what was the cycle you're coming off of? Injectable HCG won't bring your testicular function and size back to normal in a few days, so I hope you weren't expecting your testes to normalize from their wasted condition in merely one week with HCGenerate?

Except that HcG plumps them back up literally overnight. This thread was originally asking why everyone loves HcGenerate over plain old HcG - a question I still haven't found the answer to after almost two full weeks on this supplement. I'm giving it it's fair run - but so far I don't see what everyone is raving about.
 
Except that HcG plumps them back up literally overnight. This thread was originally asking why everyone loves HcGenerate over plain old HcG - a question I still haven't found the answer to after almost two full weeks on this supplement. I'm giving it it's fair run - but so far I don't see what everyone is raving about.

How many caps per day are you taking and what cycle are you coming off of? Not every supplement works for everyone though. Keep it up and report back, thanks :)
 
How many caps per day are you taking and what cycle are you coming off of? Not every supplement works for everyone though. Keep it up and report back, thanks :)

I ran 6 weeks of prop/tren kickstart at 100mg/50mg eod and then 750mg test e for an additional 7 weeks.

I'm taking HCGenerate as directed - 5 caps a day split into two doses.
 
I ran 6 weeks of prop/tren kickstart at 100mg/50mg eod and then 750mg test e for an additional 7 weeks.

I'm taking HCGenerate as directed - 5 caps a day split into two doses.

Sounds like a very fun cycle! Nice!

Anyway, I don't want to overstep any bounds, but my own personal opinion is that HCGenerate really shines through after oral cycles, OTC pro-hormone types, although its mechanism of action should still work very well after any type of cycle.

Are you using HCGenerate as a standalone, or are you taking any SERM/AI's with it?
 
Sounds like a very fun cycle! Nice!

Anyway, I don't want to overstep any bounds, but my own personal opinion is that HCGenerate really shines through after oral cycles, OTC pro-hormone types, although its mechanism of action should still work very well after any type of cycle.

Are you using HCGenerate as a standalone, or are you taking any SERM/AI's with it?

It was my first cycle coming off a year + hiatus. It was pretty sweet :)

I am running clomid @ 100mg/day and also .5mg Adex eod or as needed. I have actual HcG as standby, but wanted to give this product a fair trial before adding that in. I still do have a nice libido, so I know it is helping, but I promise I am still very suppressed. I don't have the young guy rebound effect like I once did dangit!
 
It was my first cycle coming off a year + hiatus. It was pretty sweet :)

I am running clomid @ 100mg/day and also .5mg Adex eod or as needed. I have actual HcG as standby, but wanted to give this product a fair trial before adding that in. I still do have a nice libido, so I know it is helping, but I promise I am still very suppressed. I don't have the young guy rebound effect like I once did dangit!

Well I'm still young, and my rebound is very slow after a cycle... HCG, from my understanding though, isn't a good adjunct to implement when you're already in the midst of your PCT.
 
For a clarification about it's mechanism of action. SHBG binds to both testosterone and estrogen, binding about 98% of those hormones. HcGenenerate helps decrease SHBG, thus freeing tesosterone to be utilized by the body. If that's the case, doesn't is also free estrogen to be used by the body too? If not, is there an ingredient that prevents this?
 
An AI would help in that case, but I assume this is something that was thought of beforehand? So needto, is there an ingredient to reduce aromatizion?
 
Hey bro I see that you are a NTBM rep. HcGenerate is out of stock. Any idea when it would be back in stock-
or is there a possibility of getting on a standby list for when it does come into stock?

thanks man
 
JFYI- Wanted all to know the customer service at Ruthless Supps are incredible! been emailing back and forth with some issues on my order- they are on IT big time. Great customer Service- instant in my case.
Wanted to give the folks there a thumbs up thats all. Good people there.
 
Hey bro I see that you are a NTBM rep. HcGenerate is out of stock. Any idea when it would be back in stock-
or is there a possibility of getting on a standby list for when it does come into stock?

thanks man

I was almost certain that it would be back in stock before the month was out (March), but doesn't look like that will be the case this time. Nate mentioned it was already ordered and produced and I thought had shipped, but I haven't heard anything in the last two weeks regarding it's expected availability.
 
I was almost certain that it would be back in stock before the month was out (March), but doesn't look like that will be the case this time. Nate mentioned it was already ordered and produced and I thought had shipped, but I haven't heard anything in the last two weeks regarding it's expected availability.

Alright- thx man, I'll keep checking.
 
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