My body's response to gear

[C.K.]

I'm just saying unless it's your first cycle you're not gonna get huge just running test alone it's better stacked with something there are alot more orals that pack on mass way better then test in a way shorter time frame I put 20 lbs on a solo winny cycle and only 5 each on my last 2 test cycles... I don't quote anything just speak from personal experience... test probably makes you feel the best but gaining mass,strength and losing fat wise there are ALOT more superior compounds... I've ran 500-1000 mgs a week and prefer just sticking to maintanence levels now during cycle only 1 shot sust a week

 

[stevesmi]

^^yeah bro I think we all put on the most weight from our first cycles no matter what we used. the challenge is if you can keep them. i will say primo is as good as advertised with keeping your gains. there just isn't the crash like other AAS, but you won't get ridiculous gains. very little or no sides either.

so whoever is reading this thread who wants something with very little sides and quick recovery gotta go with primo hands down.

 

[Couter]

Cant help you out with your question but after reading your original post in this thread your lucky not have any bloat or gyno issues. I look at a picture of a bottle of test and both magically appear. Well not that bad but you get my point.

 

[Deltoid_87]

come on man seriously, thats ur opinion and nothing more

test is probably the best AAS all around, aslong as you got something for estrogen control (e.g a A.I) the stuff is freakin awesome

And that's nothing but ur opinion bro.. All u'v done is contradicted urself there.

and its been proven in studies time and time again to be an effective AAS, if not one of the most effective

it beats deca, mast, eq, dbol, anadrol and any other AAS in muscle building properties

That's the biggest load of bollucks i've ever heard. All the compounds u just mentioned there are known to build more muscle than Test. Apart from maybe Masteron. "and any other AAS in muscle building properties" Riiigghht, yea Test builds more muscle than Tren too...

i know you might argue dbol is stronger mg basis, but lets face it theres only so much dbol you can use before things get nasty, and you can use ALOT more test

I dunno man, people use dbol for long periods of time with great results, ask Radar...

I'm with C.K. Test alone does barely anything for me as far as building muscle. Maybe it would at over 1000mg a week, but i'll never do that. Test is the "base" of a cycle for me and nothing more. Let's face it if all other steroids didn't suppress ur natural test levels, no one would use Test. Unless it were for libido, and other things unrelated to muscle growth, but that's not why we cycle is it...
I don't hate Test, I like it. Damn it makes me feel good, and libido is crazy, but I'm just gonna have to quote C.K and say there are far more superior steroids for building muscle.

 

[panicwide]

Test is the best imo, efficacy proven time and again. great gains, mood & libido lift. Tren is stronger, but harsher. Dbol is no slouch, but methylation alone is enough to make it second fiddle to inj. test.

 

[EarthRider]

Sounds like your not eating enough. How much cardio do you do. Maybe you posted that and I didn't catch it

 

[ryno9000]

Sounds like your not eating enough. How much cardio do you do. Maybe you posted that and I didn't catch it

I haven't done cardio in 26 years (I'm 26 years old). I stay in single digits by eating right and lifting heavy. I'm sure genetics help.

Here is what I don't understand - maybe someone can shed some light for me here. I eat as close as I can to a 45/35/20 ratio. Of course it fluctuates a bit, for I don't take my carbs too far above 50% ever as I am super body conscious and within a few days of certain changes I notice fat begin to deposit around my belly. I allow it to a certain degree as fat will increase when you are in calorie surplus, but I never want to just gorge until I get super fat just to gain mass.

So my bulking diet is usually about 5000-5500 calories - give or take a heavy cheat day per week. Ok - so eating in than range, my body is getting about 618 grams of carbs ,480 grams of protein and 122 grams of fat spaced across the day. PLENTY and I mean PLENTY of macronutrients to grow. In fact such surplus that I begin to get slight fat deposits (again, I DO understand that while bulking you will get fatter). Increasing my calories into the 6-8,000 range is absurd to me for several reasons. One - my body will be absorbing what it can and then storing the rest as adipose tissue. So any surplus calorie I consume, be it carb, protein or fat, will become fat. In which case what does it matter what I eat if the result is the same? Eating asparagus and plain chicken breast in that kind of calorie surplus is going to be converted the same as fried chicken and ice cream. So why bother eating clean?

Anyway - the point of my thread here was not a complaint of any type. I love not bloating or having to use an AI. Overall, I am happy with my build, and I am happy with the strength and appearance that I have. I'm not whining about not being "a big boy." Simply saying I find it odd that I personally don't get several of the MOST COMMON steroid side effects - and wondered what it was. My question for that was answered at least in part. Good posts by everyone, I love this site and love guys taking the time to state their experience and education into these things. I learn a lot from all of you.

 

[Dogfox]

what percentage of saturated fats do you eat? what percentage of your carbs are fiber, what percentage are sugars? how many large protein sources do you get? what are your carb sources? what are your fat sources?

Have you ever tried eating around 1000 carbs a day? or at least more than you do. sounds alot but we cannot use the protein without carbs, I say try eating 300-400 more carbs on your workout days (morning and PWO being optimum) and maybe even a little more fat (around 25 grams).

I would eat 6500 cals with a little over 1000 carbs to put weight on a 175lb frame so you can definitely handle those extra cals on training days especially if you are really single digits all the time. If it really bothers you eating that many carbs try and get them in before evening rolls around/darkness falls

 

[bren565]

And that's nothing but ur opinion bro.. All u'v done is contradicted urself there.



That's the biggest load of bollucks i've ever heard. All the compounds u just mentioned there are known to build more muscle than Test. Apart from maybe Masteron. "and any other AAS in muscle building properties" Riiigghht, yea Test builds more muscle than Tren too...



I dunno man, people use dbol for long periods of time with great results, ask Radar...

I'm with C.K. Test alone does barely anything for me as far as building muscle. Maybe it would at over 1000mg a week, but i'll never do that. Test is the "base" of a cycle for me and nothing more. Let's face it if all other steroids didn't suppress ur natural test levels, no one would use Test. Unless it were for libido, and other things unrelated to muscle growth, but that's not why we cycle is it...
I don't hate Test, I like it. Damn it makes me feel good, and libido is crazy, but I'm just gonna have to quote C.K and say there are far more superior steroids for building muscle.

radar mixes them with his cornflakes...

and uses them in place of nolva. trust me dbols can be used alot!

 

[illkickurass]

Well I sure as hell hope test puts on serious muscle, because it's about to be my first cycle.