My body's response to gear

[ryno9000]

Sorry guys, I know I have been making a lot of posts lately - I try to answer others as well to balance out my need for answers with other's.

So this is something that I've been wondering for awhile - why does my body respond, or in some ways NOT respond, to steroids like most do? Before I dive in, let me just say this: I KNOW MY STUFF IS LEGITIMATE AND PROPERLY DOSED.

Here are some things that I feel are "different" about my body's response:

- I can run up to 750mg/wk of Test E for an entire cycle and never have to use an AI. I have seemingly NO gyno susceptibility and I really don't bloat. I use an AI once in awhile as I notice it will increase my libido and erection firmness, but other than that I really don't seem to need one. I always take a photo of my face before cycle so I can compare and make sure I haven't gradually bloated and just not noticed, but I don't get moon faced or have puffy soft muscles. I stay lean and hard looking at high doses of test.

- I never get HUGE. Here is the thing - when most people, even experienced lifters, guess my weight they guess around 210ish. I am RARELY over 200lbs, even on cycle. I look good, have a good build, but even high steroid doses and HIGH CALORIE DIET don't take me above a certain level. I've stayed on for long periods of time doing everything I could to bulk, and it's like I'm capped. You can take shots saying I don't know how to eat, that I'm not doing something right, but I'm a knowledgeable dude and bust my ass when it comes to eating and lifting and resting. Those are priorities in my life. I'm not complaining, I make good gains, my body transforms, and I'm always making some sort of progress, but I don't get above a certain weight on the scale. I also don't gain 30lbs per cycle like some. Maybe that has to do with my lack of bloating (see above).

- my blood pressure is healthy even when "on" high doses. Been to the dr. on crazy cycle doses and my blood pressure and resting hr were both at athletic levels.

I'm not saying I don't get side effects or that steroids don;t work on me. I'm just saying I feel slightly A-Typical when it comes to effects that almost everyone else should/does see. Does my body convert it differently? Am I super human and need to run multiple grams per week?! Am I short on receptors? I feel like maybe this IS more common, but people don't want to "admit" it as they are worried they will be told something they don't want to hear. I don't know. Thoughts at all?

 

[zedhed]

Give us more info on you man. Full stats, diet details and workout details plz.

 

[ryno9000]

Give us more info on you man. Full stats, diet details and workout details plz.

I've been around longer than you - what are YOUR stats! Jk -


I'm 26. 5'11" Today I weighed 197 after my workout. I was pinched by two different trainers and the average between the two was 9.1% bf. This is standard - I am not cutting for anything I am just naturally built lean.

Right now I am eating as close as possible to 4700 calories/day. I am a trainer, so I have access to easy food logging systems and keep track of everything daily. I eat as close as possible to 45/35/20 ratio as I can. Sometimes I stray and follow my cravings and eat real shitty - but for the most part I have better than average consistency.

Training routine varies - and different variables effect it. When I am "ON" I'll go 6 days week, usually with a 3 day split that is repeated twice/wk but with different goals for the workout. For example Tuesday might be heavy compound leg movements where Friday is more direct isolated leg movements. Always heavy but controlled.

I'd post some pics but right this minute I don't feel like opening an acct on some online photo logging site - maybe tomorrow. Plus I always fear someone will "recognize" me here, so I'll prob blur the face.

Some interesting facts that may explain why I "look big" but actually don't weigh very much. I have tiny bones. I mean really. You wouldn't look at me and think I am small boned, but then put your hand up to mine. Your wife's hands will probably be equal or larger. My wrists are very narrow. But I have lots of muscle on my frame, so it isn't easily noticed. I've realized this as a potential blessing for competition! I could compete in a lower weight class and looks like a giant! This is something I've been shooting for, and hope to do a show this fall if I decide I have the guts and discipline.

Also, to tell the truth, I was a late bloomer. I feel I looked average-ish growing up - never significantly younger or smaller than my peers, but I think my face/body really matured to looking like I "should" when I got into bodybuilding and started producing more hormones. Even still, it wsan't until I began using steroids that I REALLY looked my age and healthy for once. I'm not going to be shy here, I believe I am naturally hypogonadal to some degree and probably have lower than average Test/GH levels than most. When I started using steroids, everyone gave me credit for how much "healthier I seem!" "You just look better and seem like you've grown into yourself!" This was in my 20's. And I didn't become a "freak" like some can get on steroids - I am just very muscular. Sadly, there are many of you out there who are more so NATURALLY than I am ON.

Maybe this helps? I doubt I will get an answer on here that says "this is why your body responds the way it does." I just think it would be interesting to see if others feel they have a cap on growth, or if they also don't get certain expected effects from gear such as bloating, high blood pressure, etc.

 

[neilium21]

i hear u bro i can never seem to get passed 220 and ill be eating up to 6000 cals a day...ppl think im around 240 when im 220 but im not....sometimes i even drop to like 215 even tho i still look bigger, its frustrating

 

[Unrest]

I put it down to a genitcally petite frame, small wrists, small joints, etc
not having a go, this can be great aesthetically!! but if you wanna be a freak, it will be a harder battle than someone whos more swayed towards a natural endo/meso type physique!
from my experience its usually these guys that struggle to get freaky as genetics simply will not let them!
a buddy of mine is exactly like you, run countless cycles, diet is downpat, i know his training is solid too cause i train with him, he still manages to get stronger on cycle but can never really gain much more size and hold on to it! dont get me wrong he looks awesome and lean! and looks like he weighs alot more than he really does!
btw
In regards to your bloating and BP,
I put this strongly down to diet!
being at 9 percent keeps bloat down significantly as does a clean diet as im sure you know!
You obviously eat clean being a trainer? or do you like to dirty bulk?

btw Howd you go with your thyroid isssues mate??????

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

You need to eat more.

Unless you have a medical condition that prevents that.

You need to eat more.

4700 calories a day to me is a joke.

I've read about alot of powerlifter's and bodybuilders that bulked for years to get huge and we're talking 6-7-8,000 calories a day. Even more for guys with fast metabolisms.

Now if your body is in a state of constant overtraining this can so deplete the body that gaining weight even on a high caloric intake can be difficult, but it doesn't sound like this is the issue.

So regardless of how much you think you know I can tell you right now you are not eating enough.

You sounds like an ecto-mesomorph meaning small bones and fast metabolism, but perhaps good proportions and build. If this is the case your metabolism is fucking SKY HIGH.

If you are eating 4700 calories a day and have 10% or less bodyfat then you simply have to eat more to gain weight.

It's as simple as that.

I actually feel for ya because I have known guys that had to eat massive quantities of calories to get up there in weight and do this for extended periods of time. It's not fun trying to eat 6k calories a day of healthy bodybuilding food which is why so many guys that are trying to get BIG eat as much tasty crap as they do healthy food to get the calories in without driving themselves crazy eating massive quantities of monotonous food.

 

[lartinos]

Probably convert test to DHT at a high rate I'd guess. Would explain the lack of bloat/gyno.

 

[stevesmi]

what would help is if you post some pics. what you think and what your friends think might not be reality.

at your height, weight and bf% you probably look good. your goals are to put on mass? well I would recommend running a deca cycle, kickstarting it with dbol.

 

[panicwide]

I just kept growing on gear, even with a terrible diet. But, maybe not enough time on to reach a certain ceiling. A customs letter caused my gains to halt after 2nd cycle. natural until 30 years old. 2 years clean, but on the hunt again.

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[Nelson Montana]

Just as some people have better natural genetics, some people have better "genetics" in regard to the way they response to steroids. You may simple have a high "resistance" to them. Some people need more anesthesia. Some people get high on one drink while others can have 3 or 4 and barely get a buzz.

You may also have a lot of SHBG. (UNLEASHED will help with that).

As far as weight, it's about protein, protein, protein. And calories.