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For context: I'm recovering from long-term (30yrs) topical corticosteroid usage for skin disease, an autoimmune condition, and more. I'm on the tail end of withdrawal from the corticosteroid addiction (2.5yrs in) and beginning to live life more normally again and thus training again. I was disabled off & on throughout the withdrawal which led to some muscle wasting. I did as much as I could to stay in shape but it was painful and difficult to do. My hormones were in disarray due to the life long suppression of the HPA-Axis and how that impacts HPG/T axis(s) when resetting.

I became interested in Oxandrolone (Anavar) because of the substantial amount of research behind it that pertains to my issues. It has been used for individuals recovering from glucocorticoid excess, for skin regeneration, for treating autoimmunity, and obviously for enhancing body composition. I need help in all of those areas so it seems to be a great experiment.

I'm a 36yr old male, 5'8, 170lbs and likely 20% body fat.
People around me consider me to be athletic and muscular despite the health issues I've faced.

Cycle: Anavar only for 6 weeks between 10-20mgs starting next week (Beligas Pharma Anavar Lite from Domestic Supply)
I'm a hypersensitive individual to anything I take so starting low will likely be beneficial for me.

Nurition: Animal based with plenty of quality carbohydrates. 4 meals a day consisting of protein, carbs, fat.

Training: Calisthenics (olympic rings) and resistance training via the X3 Bar.

Medications: I'm currently on T3/T4 (thyroid) to manage hypothyroidism.
I'm concerned about the interactions with Oxandrolone and thyroid so if anyone has any expertise with that I'd appreciate input.

Please let me know if I need to add anything else to this log.

Thanks!
 
elhu87 said:
For context: I'm recovering from long-term (30yrs) topical corticosteroid usage for skin disease, an autoimmune condition, and more. I'm on the tail end of withdrawal from the corticosteroid addiction (2.5yrs in) and beginning to live life more normally again and thus training again. I was disabled off & on throughout the withdrawal which led to some muscle wasting. I did as much as I could to stay in shape but it was painful and difficult to do. My hormones were in disarray due to the life long suppression of the HPA-Axis and how that impacts HPG/T axis(s) when resetting.

I became interested in Oxandrolone (Anavar) because of the substantial amount of research behind it that pertains to my issues. It has been used for individuals recovering from glucocorticoid excess, for skin regeneration, for treating autoimmunity, and obviously for enhancing body composition. I need help in all of those areas so it seems to be a great experiment.

I'm a 36yr old male, 5'8, 170lbs and likely 20% body fat.
People around me consider me to be athletic and muscular despite the health issues I've faced.

Cycle: Anavar only for 6 weeks between 10-20mgs starting next week (Beligas Pharma Anavar Lite from Domestic Supply)
I'm a hypersensitive individual to anything I take so starting low will likely be beneficial for me.

Nurition: Animal based with plenty of quality carbohydrates. 4 meals a day consisting of protein, carbs, fat.

Training: Calisthenics (olympic rings) and resistance training via the X3 Bar.

Medications: I'm currently on T3/T4 (thyroid) to manage hypothyroidism.
I'm concerned about the interactions with Oxandrolone and thyroid so if anyone has any expertise with that I'd appreciate input.

Please let me know if I need to add anything else to this log.

Thanks!
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@elhu87 I would like a few things.

Nutrition start logging your diet, food, meals what you eat and when and what food, with your condition diet is SUPER key. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

training ? that's all you're doing just rings? and resistance training what does that look like?

Also add a picture face blurred so we can see whats your plan.

lastly you're not on trt right? so you will need pct after this cycle or to get on some trt
 
the_alcatraz said:
I would like a few things.

Nutrition start logging your diet, food, meals what you eat and when and what food, with your condition diet is SUPER key. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

training ? that's all you're doing just rings? and resistance training what does that look like?

Also add a picture face blurred so we can see whats your plan.

lastly you're not on trt right? so you will need pct after this cycle or to get on some trt
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Thanks for the guidance:

Breakfast: 3-6 pasture raised eggs, occasionally ground beef, fruit, coffee with cream & sugar
Lunch: Fruit, cottage cheese OR grass fed beef, beef-liver with maple syrup, an egg OR oysters
Dinner: Rice and beef or lamb, sour-cream, home-made tortillas, or einkorn pasta with ground beef and other alternating meals
Snacks in-between meals as needed and home-made ice-cream and sometimes a mexican coca cola with a meal.

Training: Calisthenics with olympic rings, jaquishbiomedical.com/x3-bar

I'm not nor have I ever been on TRT. I unwisely used some steroids as a late-teen till 20yrs old. 36yrs of age currently. When I return from a long upcoming trip where I'll be training daily and eating well I'm going to get a TRT consult via marekhealth.com

NOTE:

I honestly don't know if Oxandrolone/Anavar will work with me as I am on thyroid meds for hypothyroidism. But, I'm giving it a hopeful try. I'm not sure if anyone here is an expert on the correlations between AAS (especially oxandrolone) and thyroid health. But, if so I'd love to hear how they've adjust thyroid dosage when inputting non-aromatizing steroids like Ox/Var. I've been working with a specialist but they are clueless in this area of the combination of AAS/Thyroid meds.

"when you have a non aromatizing androgen you're going to reduce TBG, increase thyroid function (hyperthyroid) and lower TSH." - youtu.be/dUWX_xjFUCk?t=450

"Thyroid-binding globulin levels may be decreased, resulting in lower total T4 serum levels and increased resin uptake of T3 and T4."

"Anavar is a unique anabolic steroid in relation to fat loss, due to it having a stimulative effect on Triiodothyronine (T3) levels link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004310050563

Anavar increases T3 by inhibiting TBG (thyroid-binding globulin) and elevating TBP (thyroxine-binding prealbumin). This process effectively increases the conversion of T4 to T3. This is good news for bodybuilders, as T4 (Thyroxine) is the inactive thyroid hormone, and T3 is the hormone that stimulates fat loss."
 
Vadim Fedorov said:
thanks for finally sharing Beligas anavar is top gun I'm on it from d-s
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That's exactly what I have on the way; Beligas, Anavar-Lite from D-S. I'm excited yet still skeptical on whether or not it'll be pure as it seems to be the most widely faked AAS according to everyone and influencers like More Plates More Dates, Vigorous Steve, and etc. I hear Anavar can still test positive/authentic even if it has other things in it like winstrol - just as long as it can pop positive for a little bit of Anavar. This is all "I've heard" and it may not be accurate - just processing out loud. I tried to get a script for pharmaceutical grade but wasn't able to. Still trying.
 
stevesmi said:
cortico steroids are the absolute devil. they are handed out like candy and should never be used long term unless you are towards the end of your life.

good luck on your recovery man
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100%. I was put on them as a toddler and was on-off them throughout my entire life up until 2.5yrs ago. In 2013 my body stopped responding to them and I thought my skin condition was worsening. This was false. My body was addicted to them and became resistant to the medium potency ones I was using. The negligent doctor put my on an ultra potent one for 7yrs straight saying it would cause no harm. It destroyed my life. Topical steroid withdrawal is beginning to become more well known but only .5-1% of dermatologists/MDs recognize it. They still hand steroids out like candy and people get addicted to them. It's terrible.
 
elhu87 said:
100%. I was put on them as a toddler and was on-off them throughout my entire life up until 2.5yrs ago. In 2013 my body stopped responding to them and I thought my skin condition was worsening. This was false. My body was addicted to them and became resistant to the medium potency ones I was using. The negligent doctor put my on an ultra potent one for 7yrs straight saying it would cause no harm. It destroyed my life. Topical steroid withdrawal is beginning to become more well known but only .5-1% of dermatologists/MDs recognize it. They still hand steroids out like candy and people get addicted to them. It's terrible.
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some doctors just stopped caring. they are just not good at their job

gotta find a GOOD doctor who is motivated. you either are gonna find that in younger doctors or ones that are truly good at their job. the doctors i go to are who pro athletes go to. when i had my injuries i went to the same guy who the Houston Astros use.
 
elhu87 said:
Thanks for the guidance:

Breakfast: 3-6 pasture raised eggs, occasionally ground beef, fruit, coffee with cream & sugar
Lunch: Fruit, cottage cheese OR grass fed beef, beef-liver with maple syrup, an egg OR oysters
Dinner: Rice and beef or lamb, sour-cream, home-made tortillas, or einkorn pasta with ground beef and other alternating meals
Snacks in-between meals as needed and home-made ice-cream and sometimes a mexican coca cola with a meal.

Training: Calisthenics with olympic rings, jaquishbiomedical.com/x3-bar

I'm not nor have I ever been on TRT. I unwisely used some steroids as a late-teen till 20yrs old. 36yrs of age currently. When I return from a long upcoming trip where I'll be training daily and eating well I'm going to get a TRT consult via marekhealth.com

NOTE:

I honestly don't know if Oxandrolone/Anavar will work with me as I am on thyroid meds for hypothyroidism. But, I'm giving it a hopeful try. I'm not sure if anyone here is an expert on the correlations between AAS (especially oxandrolone) and thyroid health. But, if so I'd love to hear how they've adjust thyroid dosage when inputting non-aromatizing steroids like Ox/Var. I've been working with a specialist but they are clueless in this area of the combination of AAS/Thyroid meds.

"when you have a non aromatizing androgen you're going to reduce TBG, increase thyroid function (hyperthyroid) and lower TSH." - youtu.be/dUWX_xjFUCk?t=450

"Thyroid-binding globulin levels may be decreased, resulting in lower total T4 serum levels and increased resin uptake of T3 and T4."

"Anavar is a unique anabolic steroid in relation to fat loss, due to it having a stimulative effect on Triiodothyronine (T3) levels link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s004310050563

Anavar increases T3 by inhibiting TBG (thyroid-binding globulin) and elevating TBP (thyroxine-binding prealbumin). This process effectively increases the conversion of T4 to T3. This is good news for bodybuilders, as T4 (Thyroxine) is the inactive thyroid hormone, and T3 is the hormone that stimulates fat loss."
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@elhu87 if you're going on TRT might be a help but why do you need a consult? Just use 100mgs testosterone enanthate/week that's all you need.

Breakfast: 3-6 pasture raised eggs, occasionally ground beef, fruit, coffee with cream & sugar
Lunch: Fruit, cottage cheese OR grass fed beef, beef-liver with maple syrup, an egg OR oysters
Dinner: Rice and beef or lamb, sour-cream, home-made tortillas, or einkorn pasta with ground beef and other alternating meals
Snacks in-between meals as needed and home-made ice-cream and sometimes a mexican coca cola with a meal.
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@elhu87 your diet needs a lot of work

breakfast: don't eat fruit, go with eggs and oatmeal and a few walnuts, drop the sugar from coffee
lunch: dont eat liver in your situation, NEVER eat oysters thats filter feeders they are bad for you.
dinner: tortillas made from what?
snack: ice cream and coca cola? all has to go, replace with nuts and blueberries , thinks walnuts almonds

Your diet is low on omega 3 fats, low on proper fiber and many issues.

Also, what probiotics brand you taking?
what digestive enzymes you taking?
what fiber you drinking, psyllium husk apple pectin?
are you taking organ liver support like n2guard?
 
elhu87 said:
That's exactly what I have on the way; Beligas, Anavar-Lite from D-S. I'm excited yet still skeptical on whether or not it'll be pure as it seems to be the most widely faked AAS according to everyone and influencers like More Plates More Dates, Vigorous Steve, and etc. I hear Anavar can still test positive/authentic even if it has other things in it like winstrol - just as long as it can pop positive for a little bit of Anavar. This is all "I've heard" and it may not be accurate - just processing out loud. I tried to get a script for pharmaceutical grade but wasn't able to. Still trying.
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@elhu87 anavar from @domestic-supply.com is high quality, I've seen roidtests from regular users on Beligas it's on the money
 
No matter how much anavar you use, your diet is the key to getting your health back in order, and your diet off hand seems like a full on mess. We will help you clean it up. Start by cutting sugars and adding healthy fats.
 
Got to clean up the diet and log things for the guys to really help you out. If you log and post it people here will definitely help and support you on the journey.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@elhu87 if you're going on TRT might be a help but why do you need a consult? Just use 100mgs testosterone enanthate/week that's all you need.
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I have topical testosterone I can use to achieve 100mg/wk. I aromatize quite a bit so I'll start low and slow with the test base. The Oxandrolone is non-aromatizing which is another reason it appeals but I get what you're saying but needed test because of suppression.
the_alcatraz said:
@elhu87 your diet needs a lot of work
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I get it. My approach isn't conventional and now that I look back at what I typed I wasn't comprehensive on my diet. I follow the work of Dr. Ray Peat and due to including carbs/sugar back into my diet I started to recover massively. I also raise ruminants for meat, hens/checkens for eggs/meat, and grow food.

Sugar and cream with coffee is actually quite beneficial. But, I understand that we all have differences of opinions when it comes to diet.

Beef liver on occasion from our animals has helped me recover as well as fresh oysters as they contain large amounts of zinc and selenium which is hard to come by.

Ice cream when made homemade is simply a combination of a2 cream, egg yolks, and sugar or maple syrup. It's a superfood in my eyes. Coca Cola, at least the mexican one has been therapeutic and it has some anti-inflammatory properties. Plus, I see sugar is a misunderstood superfood and the true culprit of metabolic dysfunction being polyunsaturated fats.

I also eat fiber daily via the raw carrot salad, oatbran, and through various fruits. But, I hear ya. I can increase this. Einkorn bread has been helpful.

Megasporebiotic for a probiotic.

Not trying to start a dietary dispute here. I really do appreciate your advice and desire to help guide. Thanks so much.
 
Vadim Fedorov said:
you shouldnt eat sugar if you have thyroid problems
can we see you share a face blurred picture please?
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Thanks for the tip. However, the work of Dr. Raymond Peat has helped me rebuild my body and energy tremendously. I see quality sugar as a misunderstood superfood and PUFA as the main culprit in metabolic dysfunction.

I really don't know if I'm comfortable with a picture because of identifying tattoos and etc. What do you think?
 
elhu87 said:
Thanks for the tip. However, the work of Dr. Raymond Peat has helped me rebuild my body and energy tremendously. I see quality sugar as a misunderstood superfood and PUFA as the main culprit in metabolic dysfunction.

I really don't know if I'm comfortable with a picture because of identifying tattoos and etc. What do you think?
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@elhu87 1) sugar is not good, no matter what. In your condition, you should completely avoid sugars. You're clearly not seeing this for some reason. How is sugar a superfood? I don't understand what you're saying here.

Picture, well blur your face and blur our your tattoos, because without a picture we dont know if what you going is correct, I suspect it's not correct and the picture will prove it.
 
elhu87 said:
I have topical testosterone I can use to achieve 100mg/wk. I aromatize quite a bit so I'll start low and slow with the test base. The Oxandrolone is non-aromatizing which is another reason it appeals but I get what you're saying but needed test because of suppression.

I get it. My approach isn't conventional and now that I look back at what I typed I wasn't comprehensive on my diet. I follow the work of Dr. Ray Peat and due to including carbs/sugar back into my diet I started to recover massively. I also raise ruminants for meat, hens/checkens for eggs/meat, and grow food.

Sugar and cream with coffee is actually quite beneficial. But, I understand that we all have differences of opinions when it comes to diet.

Beef liver on occasion from our animals has helped me recover as well as fresh oysters as they contain large amounts of zinc and selenium which is hard to come by.

Ice cream when made homemade is simply a combination of a2 cream, egg yolks, and sugar or maple syrup. It's a superfood in my eyes. Coca Cola, at least the mexican one has been therapeutic and it has some anti-inflammatory properties. Plus, I see sugar is a misunderstood superfood and the true culprit of metabolic dysfunction being polyunsaturated fats.

I also eat fiber daily via the raw carrot salad, oatbran, and through various fruits. But, I hear ya. I can increase this. Einkorn bread has been helpful.

Megasporebiotic for a probiotic.

Not trying to start a dietary dispute here. I really do appreciate your advice and desire to help guide. Thanks so much.
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@elhu87 no coca cola with sugar has therapeutic properties, this is total nonsense.

I don't think there is a dietary dispute here, the dispute is that you're eating sugar with a clear health issue on hand and a thyroid issue to boot.
 
elhu87 said:
For context: I'm recovering from long-term (30yrs) topical corticosteroid usage for skin disease, an autoimmune condition,

I'm a 36yr old male, 5'8, 170lbs and likely 20% body fat.

Medications: I'm currently on T3/T4 (thyroid) to manage hypothyroidism.
I'm concerned about the interactions with Oxandrolone and thyroid so if anyone has any expertise with that I'd appreciate input.

Please let me know if I need to add anything else to this log.

Thanks!
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@elhu87 so you have hypothyroidism and you have an autoimmune condition and you think eating sugar is good for you?

That makes no sense. Sounds like you need a complete redo of your diet, you're 20% bodyfat with hypothyroid and autoimmune problems, sugar should be the LAST thing you're eating. Proper ketogenic diet, long term fasting, intermittent fasting, high probiotic additions, high fiber additions should be the goal.

elhu87 said:
I have topical testosterone I can use to achieve 100mg/wk. I aromatize quite a bit so I'll start low and slow with the test base. The Oxandrolone is non-aromatizing which is another reason it appeals but I get what you're saying but needed test because of suppression.

I get it. My approach isn't conventional and now that I look back at what I typed I wasn't comprehensive on my diet. I follow the work of Dr. Ray Peat and due to including carbs/sugar back into my diet I started to recover massively. I also raise ruminants for meat, hens/checkens for eggs/meat, and grow food.

Sugar and cream with coffee is actually quite beneficial. But, I understand that we all have differences of opinions when it comes to diet.

Beef liver on occasion from our animals has helped me recover as well as fresh oysters as they contain large amounts of zinc and selenium which is hard to come by.

Ice cream when made homemade is simply a combination of a2 cream, egg yolks, and sugar or maple syrup. It's a superfood in my eyes. Coca Cola, at least the mexican one has been therapeutic and it has some anti-inflammatory properties. Plus, I see sugar is a misunderstood superfood and the true culprit of metabolic dysfunction being polyunsaturated fats.

I also eat fiber daily via the raw carrot salad, oatbran, and through various fruits. But, I hear ya. I can increase this. Einkorn bread has been helpful.

Megasporebiotic for a probiotic.

Not trying to start a dietary dispute here. I really do appreciate your advice and desire to help guide. Thanks so much.
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elhu87 said:
I'm a 36yr old male, 5'8, 170lbs and likely 20% body fat.
People around me consider me to be athletic and muscular despite the health issues I've faced.



Thanks!
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@elhu87 athletic at 20% bodyfat? please post a face blurred picture and blur your tattoos I want to see what your real situation is
 
elhu87 said:
I have topical testosterone I can use to achieve 100mg/wk. I aromatize quite a bit so I'll start low and slow with the test base. The Oxandrolone is non-aromatizing which is another reason it appeals but I get what you're saying but needed test because of suppression.

I get it. My approach isn't conventional and now that I look back at what I typed I wasn't comprehensive on my diet. I follow the work of Dr. Ray Peat and due to including carbs/sugar back into my diet I started to recover massively. I also raise ruminants for meat, hens/checkens for eggs/meat, and grow food.

Sugar and cream with coffee is actually quite beneficial. But, I understand that we all have differences of opinions when it comes to diet.

Beef liver on occasion from our animals has helped me recover as well as fresh oysters as they contain large amounts of zinc and selenium which is hard to come by.

Ice cream when made homemade is simply a combination of a2 cream, egg yolks, and sugar or maple syrup. It's a superfood in my eyes. Coca Cola, at least the mexican one has been therapeutic and it has some anti-inflammatory properties. Plus, I see sugar is a misunderstood superfood and the true culprit of metabolic dysfunction being polyunsaturated fats.

I also eat fiber daily via the raw carrot salad, oatbran, and through various fruits. But, I hear ya. I can increase this. Einkorn bread has been helpful.

Megasporebiotic for a probiotic.

Not trying to start a dietary dispute here. I really do appreciate your advice and desire to help guide. Thanks so much.
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hey man these forums are for exchanging info so its good you have the right attitude. let me tell you what the science says on sugar, when it comes to sugar it is really horrible for your body. remember there is no such thing as refined sugar in nature. it comes from sugar cane, but then it sent off to a factory where it is heavily processed. this involves completely removing all nutrition from it including all the juices and fiber. then putting it through a rigorous processing stage and chemical addition. in the end you are left with refined sugar which rots your teeth, brain, organs and everything else in your body. it also sends your blood sugar sky high more than any human should, not to mention it is extremely addictive. your best bet is to avoid all sugar.

good carbs are good. these are natural carbs from nature not processed. raw oatmeal, fruit, sweet potatoes, and brown rice/grains. stick to those, but i would encourage you to avoid refined sugar 100%. also coke has a lot of bad shit in it. look up some videos on what coke does once it enters your body, it is extremely toxic

bottom line is trust me who was a sugar addict in my early 20's out of college, once you stop putting it in your body you will feel 1000% better and make more gains and lose more fat
 
stevesmi said:
hey man these forums are for exchanging info so its good you have the right attitude. let me tell you what the science says on sugar, when it comes to sugar it is really horrible for your body. remember there is no such thing as refined sugar in nature. it comes from sugar cane, but then it sent off to a factory where it is heavily processed. this involves completely removing all nutrition from it including all the juices and fiber. then putting it through a rigorous processing stage and chemical addition. in the end you are left with refined sugar which rots your teeth, brain, organs and everything else in your body. it also sends your blood sugar sky high more than any human should, not to mention it is extremely addictive. your best bet is to avoid all sugar.

good carbs are good. these are natural carbs from nature not processed. raw oatmeal, fruit, sweet potatoes, and brown rice/grains. stick to those, but i would encourage you to avoid refined sugar 100%. also coke has a lot of bad shit in it. look up some videos on what coke does once it enters your body, it is extremely toxic

bottom line is trust me who was a sugar addict in my early 20's out of college, once you stop putting it in your body you will feel 1000% better and make more gains and lose more fat
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@stevesmi he has thyroid problem, autoimmune disorder, 20% bodyfat, he should be doing ketogenic diet IMO, he's not healthy enough for the "healthy natural carbs" if you ask me.
 
Once the diet is refined I think you will do very well and be closer to achieving the goals you set .
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@stevesmi he has thyroid problem, autoimmune disorder, 20% bodyfat, he should be doing ketogenic diet IMO, he's not healthy enough for the "healthy natural carbs" if you ask me.
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he needs to start eating healthy across the board. good fats, good carbs and good proteins. i agree he should keep his fat intake higher but he also needs to get in more dark green veggies
 
stevesmi said:
he needs to start eating healthy across the board. good fats, good carbs and good proteins. i agree he should keep his fat intake higher but he also needs to get in more dark green veggies
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@stevesmi i agree he needs more vegetables, greens and a lot less sugar. @elhu87 is walking around with hypothyroid and autoimmune disease, he should be fully staying away from sugars, on matter which ones. Keep diet ketogenic and get bodyfat down.

I want to see the face blurred, tattoos blurred picture for us to really see the full situation.
 
the_alcatraz said:
@stevesmi i agree he needs more vegetables, greens and a lot less sugar. @elhu87 is walking around with hypothyroid and autoimmune disease, he should be fully staying away from sugars, on matter which ones. Keep diet ketogenic and get bodyfat down.

I want to see the face blurred, tattoos blurred picture for us to really see the full situation.
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the_alcatraz said:
@elhu87 1) sugar is not good, no matter what. In your condition, you should completely avoid sugars. You're clearly not seeing this for some reason. How is sugar a superfood? I don't understand what you're saying here.

Picture, well blur your face and blur our your tattoos, because without a picture we dont know if what you going is correct, I suspect it's not correct and the picture will prove it.
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Hey! I went ahead and posted a picture. I truly do appreciate the advice even though we do not see eye to eye. I've went the sugar avoidance route but it wasn't for me. When I began including sweetness back in my life I experienced a huge reduction in stress because that's what quality carbohydrates and sugars do; they bring down stress hormones. One of the reasons my autoimmune disease is in remission and that I made it through disability was due to the therapeutic nature of quality sugar/carbohydrates along with grass fed/finished ruminants, good fats, and more.
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@elhu87 so you have hypothyroidism and you have an autoimmune condition and you think eating sugar is good for you?

That makes no sense. Sounds like you need a complete redo of your diet, you're 20% bodyfat with hypothyroid and autoimmune problems, sugar should be the LAST thing you're eating. Proper ketogenic diet, long term fasting, intermittent fasting, high probiotic additions, high fiber additions should be the goal.
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Yes, I think quality sugar and carb sources are great for me. Thyroid physiology was best decoded by Dr. Raymond Peat. When I boosted sugar/carbs I began healing much better than when I was more carnivore/keto. I use to do IMF and that was also a stressor because I was already in debilitating pain. I'm thankful for your advice and am taking some tips.
 
stevesmi said:
hey man these forums are for exchanging info so its good you have the right attitude. let me tell you what the science says on sugar, when it comes to sugar it is really horrible for your body. remember there is no such thing as refined sugar in nature. it comes from sugar cane, but then it sent off to a factory where it is heavily processed. this involves completely removing all nutrition from it including all the juices and fiber. then putting it through a rigorous processing stage and chemical addition. in the end you are left with refined sugar which rots your teeth, brain, organs and everything else in your body. it also sends your blood sugar sky high more than any human should, not to mention it is extremely addictive. your best bet is to avoid all sugar.

good carbs are good. these are natural carbs from nature not processed. raw oatmeal, fruit, sweet potatoes, and brown rice/grains. stick to those, but i would encourage you to avoid refined sugar 100%. also coke has a lot of bad shit in it. look up some videos on what coke does once it enters your body, it is extremely toxic

bottom line is trust me who was a sugar addict in my early 20's out of college, once you stop putting it in your body you will feel 1000% better and make more gains and lose more fat
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Appreciate your message. We don't see eye to eye on sugar but that's ok. Most of my sugar/carb sources are natural aside from the mexican coca-cola (which is completely different than all the other coca-cola products) and quality home-made ice-cream. We raise a lot of our food and also grow food.

I was carnivore/keto for awhile but shifting to a pro-metabolic/bioenergetic food-intake has been the biggest game changer in my journey back to health.
 
Hey everyone, I really do appreciate the messages so my apologies if it doesn't seem that way. What I put down for my diet wasn't comprehensive. And, my approach to nutrition is controversial. When I was carnivore/keto It helped me but not nearly as much as when I began including more sugars and quality carbs. I ascribe to a more bioenergetic/pro-metabolic food intake. We have a small ranch and raise our animals for food and grow some as well. I have quality grass fed/finished fatty meat, a lot of quality fats, and good carbs/starches and the other stuff that you don't like. But, it has really helped me get better. Biochemistry and nutrition is very interesting. In high pain/stress sweetness really brings down stress hormones. My autoimmune condition is going into remission through my dietary choices and more. So much good is happening everyone.

I just posted a picture and as you can see I'm very far off from being in great shape. But, please keep in mind I was going through a major disability for the last 2.5 years and just started getting better 3mos or so ago. I just started training again two months ago.

My reason for wanting to take Anavar/Oxandrolone isn't solely for building muscle. The AAS has been shown to help with individuals who have damage corticosteroid access (me), autoimmune conditions (me), and for skin regeneration which is what I need after battling iatrogenic corticosteroid induced skin-disease. The fact that it'll help me rebuild muscle from muscle-wasting is a huge perk as well.
 
elhu87 said:
Hey everyone, I really do appreciate the messages so my apologies if it doesn't seem that way. What I put down for my diet wasn't comprehensive. And, my approach to nutrition is controversial. When I was carnivore/keto It helped me but not nearly as much as when I began including more sugars and quality carbs. I ascribe to a more bioenergetic/pro-metabolic food intake. We have a small ranch and raise our animals for food and grow some as well. I have quality grass fed/finished fatty meat, a lot of quality fats, and good carbs/starches and the other stuff that you don't like. But, it has really helped me get better. Biochemistry and nutrition is very interesting. In high pain/stress sweetness really brings down stress hormones. My autoimmune condition is going into remission through my dietary choices and more. So much good is happening everyone.

I just posted a picture and as you can see I'm very far off from being in great shape. But, please keep in mind I was going through a major disability for the last 2.5 years and just started getting better 3mos or so ago. I just started training again two months ago.

My reason for wanting to take Anavar/Oxandrolone isn't solely for building muscle. The AAS has been shown to help with individuals who have damage corticosteroid access (me), autoimmune conditions (me), and for skin regeneration which is what I need after battling iatrogenic corticosteroid induced skin-disease. The fact that it'll help me rebuild muscle from muscle-wasting is a huge perk as well.
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@elhu87 picture is good you're fairly lean actually maybe not even 20% bodyfat but you do have gynecomastia from the look of it

I would like to see you update your diet and training more for us daily as you go, even if it's sugar as long as it works for you I respect that.
 
elhu87 said:
Hey everyone, I really do appreciate the messages so my apologies if it doesn't seem that way. What I put down for my diet wasn't comprehensive. And, my approach to nutrition is controversial. When I was carnivore/keto It helped me but not nearly as much as when I began including more sugars and quality carbs. I ascribe to a more bioenergetic/pro-metabolic food intake. We have a small ranch and raise our animals for food and grow some as well. I have quality grass fed/finished fatty meat, a lot of quality fats, and good carbs/starches and the other stuff that you don't like. But, it has really helped me get better. Biochemistry and nutrition is very interesting. In high pain/stress sweetness really brings down stress hormones. My autoimmune condition is going into remission through my dietary choices and more. So much good is happening everyone.

I just posted a picture and as you can see I'm very far off from being in great shape. But, please keep in mind I was going through a major disability for the last 2.5 years and just started getting better 3mos or so ago. I just started training again two months ago.

My reason for wanting to take Anavar/Oxandrolone isn't solely for building muscle. The AAS has been shown to help with individuals who have damage corticosteroid access (me), autoimmune conditions (me), and for skin regeneration which is what I need after battling iatrogenic corticosteroid induced skin-disease. The fact that it'll help me rebuild muscle from muscle-wasting is a huge perk as well.
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hey man that is great if it turns out well for you .
 
elhu87 said:
Hey everyone, I really do appreciate the messages so my apologies if it doesn't seem that way. What I put down for my diet wasn't comprehensive. And, my approach to nutrition is controversial. When I was carnivore/keto It helped me but not nearly as much as when I began including more sugars and quality carbs. I ascribe to a more bioenergetic/pro-metabolic food intake. We have a small ranch and raise our animals for food and grow some as well. I have quality grass fed/finished fatty meat, a lot of quality fats, and good carbs/starches and the other stuff that you don't like. But, it has really helped me get better. Biochemistry and nutrition is very interesting. In high pain/stress sweetness really brings down stress hormones. My autoimmune condition is going into remission through my dietary choices and more. So much good is happening everyone.

I just posted a picture and as you can see I'm very far off from being in great shape. But, please keep in mind I was going through a major disability for the last 2.5 years and just started getting better 3mos or so ago. I just started training again two months ago.

My reason for wanting to take Anavar/Oxandrolone isn't solely for building muscle. The AAS has been shown to help with individuals who have damage corticosteroid access (me), autoimmune conditions (me), and for skin regeneration which is what I need after battling iatrogenic corticosteroid induced skin-disease. The fact that it'll help me rebuild muscle from muscle-wasting is a huge perk as well.
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gotta start somewhere...I have a log and if you look at my start pic you would laugh
 
the_alcatraz said:
@elhu87 picture is good you're fairly lean actually maybe not even 20% bodyfat but you do have gynecomastia from the look of it

I would like to see you update your diet and training more for us daily as you go, even if it's sugar as long as it works for you I respect that.
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Unfortunately, I do have it. "Zone 1 gynecomastia with puffy nipples," straight from the surgeon to be exact. It got very bad during my 2yr withdrawal from topical corticosteroids (not anabolic). My HPA-Axis was severely depressed and the Gonadal and Thyroidal axis' took a huge hit. I also stupidly did steroids in my late teens and that definitely messed up my hormones and caused some gyno. Will look into surgery next year if need be.

I'll definitely update you and the rest on my diet and training as I go forward. Thanks again!
 
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elhu87 said:
Unfortunately, I do have it. "Zone 1 gynecomastia with puffy nipples," straight from the surgeon to be exact. It got very bad during my 2yr withdrawal from topical corticosteroids (not anabolic). My HPA-Axis was severely depressed and the Gonadal and Thyroidal axis' took a huge hit. I also stupidly did steroids in my late teens and that definitely messed up my hormones and caused some gyno. Will look into surgery next year if need be.

I'll definitely update you and the rest on my diet and training as I go forward. Thanks again!
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@elhu87 we are waiting for your updates on diet training

and the gynecomastia, you need to start nolvadex 20mgs ed to take care of it
 
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