To be pro? Drugs or Genetics

[Nelson Montana]

But 98% of the guys on this board aren't running 3 grams of test, 1 gram of tren, T3, clen... And all sorts of concoctions.

Irrelevant. AFter a gram the difference in benefit is nominal. And lots of guys use tren, T3, clen etc. The guys in the 60's didn;t use any of that stuff and still look better than these guys.


You either get that or not.

 

[Anotech]

Some are, but maybe most aren't here at EF. But I can point you to several other boards where the guys there are running those kinds of doses and multiple drug stacks...and those guys still aren't pros either.

Don't you think that if drugs were 90% of the equation that there would be a lot more than the 400 or so pros there are today?

This is what's wrong with the younger generations of "bodybuilders" today, they think it's all about the drugs. Go ahead then and prove it.

You guys think it's all a matter of drugs, go ahead and take the drugs and turn pro.

If your 270lbs and natural and try to lift the way Ronnie or Jay train, it wouldn't matter how much you eat or how great your genetics are- your going to overtrain. Those guys depend on the drugs to MAINTAIN those gain..

Jay was 220 and 6% at 19... How many f**king kids did you know in highschool that looked like that? I've been outta highschool for 4 years and at 165 and natural, I was one of most ripped kids...

 

[Anotech]

you'd better be more than 190, unless you're about 4'6".

So you're going to be pro and you've been training since you were 13? How old are you now? How long you been on AAS and how many cycles? How tall are you? When do you plan on turning pro? Got any pics to post?

188
12%
5'9
23
- 1 cycle
I use to be an athlete and could never gain weight because I was burning 4000cals per day.. I plan to be pro by 29.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If your 270lbs and natural and try to lift the way Ronnie or Jay train, it wouldn't matter how much you eat or how great your genetics are- your going to overtrain. Those guys depend on the drugs to MAINTAIN those gain..

Jay was 220 and 6% at 19... How many f**king kids did you know in highschool that looked like that? I've been outta highschool for 4 years and at 165 and natural, I was one of most ripped kids...

Now you;re comparing 3 grams of test a week to being NATURAL? Dude, pick a point of view.

 

[Anotech]

Now you;re comparing 3 grams of test a week to being NATURAL? Dude, pick a point of view.

The question was can you be pro with just genetics or do drugs make the difference.. Nobody in the history of the world naturally has ever been 270lbs and 6%, nobody's genetic code allows for them to be 270lbs and 6%.. More steroids make you bigger, the more you take, the bigger you get. It's not even a point of view. It's science.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The question was can you be pro with just genetics or do drugs make the difference.. Nobody in the history of the world naturally has ever been 270lbs and 6%, nobody's genetic code allows for them to be 270lbs and 6%.. More steroids make you bigger, the more you take, the bigger you get. It's not even a point of view. It's science.

Silly argument. Of course you need drugs to be a pro. EVeryone in the world knows that. But it isn't the amount drugs that make a a pro. If all it took was more drugs to get bigger, believe me, there'd be guys 500 pounds with 5% bf and 30 inch arms. You got your "science" all wrong bro.

Discussion done.

 

[Anotech]

Silly argument. Of course you need drugs to be a pro. EVeryone in the world knows that. But it isn't the amount drugs that make a a pro. If all it took was more drugs to get bigger, believe me, there'd be guys 500 pounds with 5% bf and 30 inch arms. You got your "science" all wrong bro.

Discussion done.

Arnold.. The best genetics of all time!! Was what? 240?...

He couldn't even stand on stage next to phil, jay, or wolf at that size... He used the juice but not 3 grams of test per week.

Discussion done now

 

[Evan Tipps]

Arnold.. The best genetics of all time!! Was what? 240?...

He couldn't even stand on stage next to phil, jay, or wolf at that size... He used the juice but not 3 grams of test per week.

Discussion done now

Arnold didn't have the best genetics.. Lol. quit being a fanboy. Its genetics that determines how well you respond to gear as well. Saying gear is more important than genetics to makes a pro is just ignorant. Its all about genetics. For instance look at you and me. Im natural. Youve ran cycles. Youre stats still arent that great and your lifts arent either. Genetics+hard work>gear.

 

[Anotech]

Arnold didn't have the best genetics.. Lol. quit being a fanboy. Its genetics that determines how well you respond to gear as well. Saying gear is more important than genetics to makes a pro is just ignorant. Its all about genetics. For instance look at you and me. Im natural. Youve ran cycles. Youre stats still arent that great and your lifts arent either. Genetics+hard work>gear.

I bench 305 for reps.. Squat 3 plates and leg press 10 per side.. My lifts are fine sir

 

[Evan Tipps]

I bench 305 for reps.. Squat 3 plates and leg press 10 per side.. My lifts are fine sir

Hey guys, I'm gathering a little information on my future cycle of the compounds listed above. I'm currently only using sust-500mg weekly, deca-250mg weekly, dbol-40 everyday.

I'm doing my first show next year and depending on how I fare my next bulking cycle will be (sust-deca-drol-hgh)

185lbs
11-12%
5'10
3 cycles

1.) How much HGH should I use to add mass with this cycle?
2.) How much of the other compounds should I use?

Earlier in the thread you said you have done 1 cycle. this post from early October says you have had 3, with the one you recently finished, so that is 4 cycles. You're caught in a lie. Do you expect me to believe you bench 305 for reps? Especially when you only squat 3 plates? Please dont post bullshit. Its clear you are full of it