Better for growth - 500mg primo/wk vs 70mg var/day

[wootoom]

Anavar is lbm for me as well as strength. Anavar structured me beautifully. It was my first cycle and don't regret it one bit.

Primo also did lots for me. I love Primo as I started getting older. Nice keepable gains also.

Love both of them!

 

[thelocal]

run them both
test and primo 500mgs a week for 12 weeks,and last 6 weeks 50mgs var a day.problem solved

 

[louisiana]

run them both
test and primo 500mgs a week for 12 weeks,and last 6 weeks 50mgs var a day.problem solved

boom!!!!!!

 

[thelocal]

 

[C.K.]

by the time it take for the primo to kick in the var will already have peaked I'd go with the var all the way

 

[stevesmi]

i'm gonna run me some var on my next cycle i think. primo/test/var cycle looks good .. i wouldn't run primo/var without the test. you will still get suppressed around week 5 and you will still need something to give the cycle some 'kick' dont worry about estrogen forming cause primo blocks SHBG.

i also would advise anyone over 15% bf to drop a bit before running this cycle. or you will be dissapointed. primo is a slow builder simply because it doesn't have water retention like other AAS so people think its weak.. but if you have definition already you will notice primo's effect weeks 2 or 3. if you do not then you will probably think primo is a waste of money. if you are looking at blowing up in 2 or 3 weeks with strength and water weight gains then don't mess with primo, if you are patient you will love primo

oh and you do not get the nasty sides that tren gives or the long recovery that deca gives... primo is awesome.. i recommend every cycler run a primo cycle atleast once every 2 years.

 

[UA_Iron]

70 mgs of var a day would be extremely unhealthy and is ill advised.

Besides HDL impacts, how is this extremely unhealthy?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Besides HDL impacts, how is this extremely unhealthy?

Liver toxicity and kidney strain.

 

[UA_Iron]

Liver toxicity and kidney strain.

The more serious liver problems attributed to anabolic steroid use include hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) and peliosis hepatitis (blood-filled sacs within the liver). But the majority of cases reporting liver problems have dealt with extremely sick and elderly patients treated with C-17 alkylated oral steroids for years of continuous use, and many of these patients had a particular type of anemia linked to liver tumors even without anabolic steroid therapy. A computer search of the medical literature looking for steroid-associated liver tumors could find only three in athletes (Friedl, 1990). Of the three athletes, one was using 700 mg of oxymetholone a week for five straight years, and one had a tumor more indicative of classic liver cancer than of steroid-associated tumors. Virtually all of the reported liver problems seemed to occur with the 17 alpha-alkylated oral steroids. There have been no cysts or liver tumors reported in athletes using the 17 beta-esterified injectable steroids (Wright & Cowart, p. 61). It has been noted that injectable steroids generally appear to have little effect on the liver at all (Haupt, 1993, p. 469).

Recent studies continue to suggest that reports of serious adverse effects of anabolic steroids upon the liver in healthy athletes may be highly overstated. In a study of athletes, of the 53 current or past steroid users who underwent laboratory testing, only one subject displayed an abnormal liver test (Pope & Katz, 1994, p. 379; incidentally, on physical examination, not one user displayed evidence of any major abnormalities possibly attributable to steroids, such as high blood pressure, edema, acne or hair loss.) Another study tested one of the most powerful and reputedly dangerously toxic anabolic steroids for 30 weeks on HIV positive men and women (Hengge et al.). Oxymetholone, formerly known as Anadrol in the U.S. and a C-17 alkylated oral steroid, was administered in a dosage of over 1,000 mg per week (more than that used by many bodybuilders, and for a much longer duration of uninterrupted use). The results were significant gains in lean muscle mass -- even without any weightlifting. Even more importantly - and surprisingly -- there were no significant problems with liver function, water retention, or virilization side effects (it will be interesting to see whether further studies yield consistent findings at such high dosages).

While the dangers of anabolics to athletes' livers appear to have been highly exaggerated, it must be recognized that an apparently healthy athlete with a previously existing but undiscovered liver problem could do serious damage to himself by self-administering C-17 oral anabolic steroids. For this reason alone, it would be quite irresponsible for any athlete to use anabolic steroids without having a physician regularly conduct blood tests to monitor liver function.

Stolen from Wrongun from another board - he used to post here right?

Can't find any literature on the relationship to the kidney strain....

In any case, one would probably be most worried about the HDL affects of the drug - it will crash them hard. But I still dont think we've seen that temporary reduction in HDL values causes any negative heart/artery implications.

 

[callmejay]

Stolen from Wrongun from another board - he used to post here right?

Can't find any literature on the relationship to the kidney strain....

In any case, one would probably be most worried about the HDL affects of the drug - it will crash them hard. But I still dont think we've seen that temporary reduction in HDL values causes any negative heart/artery implications.

Very interesting info, thanks for sharing