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RealDeal

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Here's the deal:

I started using ZMA regularly a week & 1/2 ago per instructions (3 caps 30-60 mins b4 bed) and up until 2 days ago I slept great. Starting 2 nights ago, taking the ZMA as usual, I woke up briefly a couple of times in the middle of the night and felt very dizzy while laying in bed. This happened again last night, but only once or maybe twice.

It seems very odd because I've not heard of it before, but I also don't know if I can attribute it to the ZMA. Don't know what else it could be tho, because only other things I'm taking are protein, creatine & glutamine and have never had any probs with those.

Anyone had similar experience or have any ideas?? It doesn't make me feel sick, just really dizzy when lying down! :(

Thanks bros.
 
yeah..

I have heard of others making the same claim. I started ZMA about 4 days ago, so far so good. It hasn't really improved mu sleep quality or anything. I smoke allot of weed and that tends to make you feel like crap when you wake up, maybe I'll quit for a week and see if that changes the ZMA effect...:fro:
 
Well, no shit man, lay off the weed...sure it doesn't help your workouts, but hey, everyone has their weaknesses. :)

Come on guys, with so many of you all taking ZMA has no one else had this same dizziness? Hell, or at least someone know what's causing it and know it's nothing to worry about. :confused:
 
I think I read somewhere that if you're injesting a lot of caffeine or high sodium foods that some people adding extra magnesium will suffer from higher blood pressure, hence the light headedness.

Watch your diet reduce trhe amount of salts in your food and /supplements and maybe these effects will subside.

just a viewpoint.:alien:
 
Are you serious?

If so, how did you come to that conclusion & where are you getting such information from?

It's zinc, magnesium & vit B-6. Are you speaking of a body's tolerance, toxicity, what? If you're gonna make such a general claim please back it up with your reasoning bro.
 
I can't see how ZMA c be dangerous if you follow the dosages recommended.

I think chillin is pulling everyones leg here - because in fact it does work ( on natural bodybuilders) to add some lean Mass to your frame.

:alien:
 
Sorry, I was just joking. It was late at night, and I was bored, but I thought ZMA is a scam anyway for non deficient people and then even if someone is deficient, why would they buy ZMA and not a cheap multivitamin?

So what kind of growth can I expect with ZMA?
 
guys, ZMA will give you NO GAINS AT ALL unless you're zinc deficient....save your money for more creatine! or if you really want some natural boost in the testosterone route then try Tribex/Tribestan, not strong as andro but at least you get much harder dick and wont be as disappointed as spending ur hard earned money on ZMA

P.S. I'm not saying ZMA is totally useless, cuz some ppl get a strength improvement like something by ZMA (zinc deficient), but hey, most of us DO NOT!
 
okay, we have Edens viewpoint it could be true for many others - I'm not bashing this viewpoint.

However for bodybuilders that train naturally-I mean don't use AS or Prohormones then ZMA might just help add those few extra slabs of solid muscle they're looking for.

I came in at 189lbs 45"chest 16"biceps and 35" waist.

After supplementing my creatine, glutamine and methoxy blend with ZMA 6 weeks later I weighed in at

198lbs 16.7" biceps 32.5" waist 47" chest.

I think it could be useful but not to everyone , you'll have to give it a go if you're into training naturally.

It certainlly won't hurt to try!:alien: :alien: :alien:
 
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Agreed adepss...different people get different results.

I've heard from other guys that solidly believe they've experienced some gains in strength and some small gains in size from using ZMA.

The "scientific" studies (especially the one from Western Washington Uni - presented at the '99 ACSM meeting) have shown that ZMA supplementation resulted in significant increases in testosterone levels & muscle strength in athletes during a double blind, randomized trial. Granted, as you stated eden, some of these guys were zinc deficient. Take this study with a grain of salt, but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of athletes, including bodybuilders, are zinc deficient unless they are supplementing with a high potency multi or separately with zinc.

As far as a waste of money on ZMA: with a 30-day supply costing just $10 (Optimum Nutrition @ DPS), if it even helps a little bit it's worth it. :)

Oh yeah, and the last two nights I haven't had the dizzy spells w/ZMA. Weird shit.
 
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I've heard people say that they've seen UFO"S or that they've seen god. Theres also alot of people who still swear by HMB, GH StAK or Secretagogue-one. I don't use AS or andro either. Maybe I do take ZMA and I didn't even realize it in Kirkland multivitamin. It has 22.5mg of zinc , 100mg magesium, 2mg vitamin b6. There it is, ZMA, but under a different logo.

Unfortunetly, I'm not experiencing any noticable anabolism from taking this multivitamin daily, maybe it does not have the precise ratio's that ZMA supplements have and maybe the multivitamin I use does not use the most effective form of ZMA.
 
Alien Abduction

It was definately an Alien Abduction. Look for small puncture wounds where they put the probes in. The dizziness is caused by them erasing your memory of the experience.
 
Whoooo that alien abduction happened to you too? I also had small puncture wounds, but that was from EQ shots:D and the dizziness was from the crack I smoked:p
 
dun knock ZMA.. it's great for post-cycle recovery... Yes it's zinc and magnesium, but before you knock it down cuz you think it's just a couple of minerals in a pill, read up on it and learn the power of SYNERGY... taking a multi-vitamin will not give you the same benefit, the two minerals has to be in exact ratio... Also, a lot of stuff affect the absorption rate... stuff like calcium, iron, copper.....

john
 
Have any of you guys used the Z-MASS by Cytodyne? its about the same ingredients as the other ZMA's but it has a prohormone blend. I took it for about 6 weeks right when i started training real hard again after a little lay off. I cant honestly say i noticed anything much but maybe in my recovery time.

Right now im having problems finding stuff thats gonna work for me, so i probably shouldnt be giving my opinions that much until i can find some good supplements! keep up the training guys
 
Z-Mass PM

I have been using Z-Mass PM for about a month now. I actually sleep great on it! I havent seen big results, although I have noticed some. It may also be due to the fact that I am a female. I have been trying to find a supplement in pill or liquid form to increase my muscle mass/tone. That's why I thought I would try Z-Mass. I am so tired of taking protein shakes ALL the time, plus my schedule and time doesnt permit the making and drinking of the big thick shakes as much as it requires. So if any of you have any info or advice to help a woman increase muscle mass and tone with certain supplements (other than the shakes), please do let me know! Thanks.

FSUGeneticFreak said:
Have any of you guys used the Z-MASS by Cytodyne? its about the same ingredients as the other ZMA's but it has a prohormone blend. I took it for about 6 weeks right when i started training real hard again after a little lay off. I cant honestly say i noticed anything much but maybe in my recovery time.

Right now im having problems finding stuff thats gonna work for me, so i probably shouldnt be giving my opinions that much until i can find some good supplements! keep up the training guys
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RealDeal, I've been taking Z-Mass for about a month now, and on several occasions I woke up in a cold sweat and a little dizzy, I am pretty sure it is from the ZMA since that is the only thing (other then protein shakes and multi-vitamins) that iam taking right now.

Also for everyone thats posting replies pertaining to taking multi-vitamins instead of wasting money on ZMA, do the research first before making those claims. Men's Fitness recently did a great article on the benefits of ZMA. Also from personal experience I can tell you that ZMA works great (I also take multi-vitamins on a regular basis and have been doing so for the last 2 years), I sleep 100% better and about one week after starting on the ZMA my energy level during my workout skyrocketed.
 
for those of you who think you are getting ZMA simply cuz you take a multivitamin should definitely sit down and read some articles... To make that claim is like saying you don't take creatine cuz you eat red meat everyday..

john
 
something like that happened to me too, on my 3rd night of using it i jumped out of my bed, not hyper but it was strange i thought i had to get out of bed or something, i ran to my door, and then i looked back at my bed, put on my shirt and went back to bed. i think i was like 1/2 awake you know. lol it was weird. i didn't remember it until the next morning when i woke up with my shirt on
 
Why'd you buy premixed ZMA anyway? Its just zink and magnesium and maybe some vit b's. I got myself a can of 30mg zink and a can of 400mg magnesium and just take one of each every evening.

a LOT cheaper than buying zma force + shit or similar.

i just started taking this, and i havent seen any results yet.

Anyone got good results from doing zma?
 
have you not read any of the above replies??? Taking just Zinc and Mag is not going to give you the same results as ZMA, because the Zinc and Mag that you bought is not bound properly for you body to absorb, and the ZMA is... :alien:
Look up the article in Men's Fitness it will explain the process to you
 
Obvioulsy Wantnofatassho didnt read any of the above replys. But maybe if he listened to what he said and read the posts he'd understand that the reason he gets no result has to do with the fact that he's paying a lot cheaper price for the suppliments by themselves, which is different than ZMA
 
yea, zma puts you rem sleeping state, if your bodys not use to that kind of sleep it could cause weird sleeping problems, mainly intence bad dreams.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, aside from the alien abduction theories :alien: :D

No more of those freaky dizzy spells since the day after I posted, so maybe it was a combination of things. Anyway, I too am sleeping better.

Like you all have stated already, buying 30mg zinc tabs & 400mg mag tabs doesn't = ZMA. And assuming you're getting ZMA cuz you take a multi??? LOL! :FRlol:
 
What the fuck do you guys think the 'A' is in ZMA? If you could just go out and buy Zinc and Magnesium and stil have the same effects as a ZMA you are idiots. the 'A' in ZMA means 'Asparate' which the Magnesium is in Asparate form.... its not like a multivitamin.. I wish I could go into more detail but thats why ZMA is different than a multi-vitamin.

BTW I sleep good on ZMA, just make sure to not drink/eat anything with Calcium when taking it... it will fuck up absorbtion.. trust me!

Not2Big
 
yeah keep the damn calcium pills away and dun be drinking your milk late at night... Calcium blocks all magnesium absorption.. I am sure it does a number on zinc too..

john
 
Very strange then that my 400mgs of magnesium from twinlab contains magnesium asparate.

Its amazing how brainwashed one can get from reading ads anyway, figure out this:

the reason why ZMA works is because it elevates the levels of zink and magnesium in your blood.

It doesnt matter how you get the zink and magnesium in there, or if they are in the exact ratio, as long as you get enough. (I believe 30mg\400mg to be adequate, taking more could give sede effects anyway)

It doesnt matter if you do this by taking one pill with 30mgs of zink and 400mg of magnesium that costs $25 and has a fancy name or if you take them separately at the same time.

The bottom line here is that too low levels of zink and or magnesium can cause serum testosterone levels to drop, so make sure you have enough of them. (And try not to give too much of your hard earned cash to mescletech or biotest or whoever who makes ZMA at a cost of $3 a bottle.)

Anyone agreing with me on this?
 
I see where you are coming from, but when you take the Zinc and Mag does it make you tired at all?? Cause when i take my ZMA (which only contains Zinc Mag and B-12) Its like taking a sleeping pill. Why does that happen?? If what you are saying is true then i should be feeling the same side effects as you when i take my ZMA.

Just being a devils advocate :)
 
Does George have any input into this heated debate???

Or anyone with a study or anything that can prove if taking ZMA is any different then taking Zinc and Mag by themselves??
 
ZMA =Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate

Very strange then that my 400mgs of magnesium from twinlab contains magnesium asparate.

Its amazing how brainwashed one can get from reading ads anyway, figure out this:
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The problem with this is that most zinc supplements are elemental zinc coming from chelated zinc glutonate and/or zincpicolinate. This is NOT the same as zinc monomethionine aspartate. Yes, you can probably find a zinc-only supplement using this as well as a magnesium supplement containing aspartate, but it may not be easy. You'd also have to toss in 10.5 mg of VB-6 (not 12) as pyridoxal-5-phosphate if you want to match the formulation of ZMA.

Generally speaking, it'd be possible to make your own ZMA for less if you research enough and make sure you're getting vits that have been tested, etc. so the formulation is correct.

For me, I'll pay the $10/month for the ease of popping 3 caps before bedtime and know I'm getting the right stuff.
 
Anyway, I'll be heading off to the doc tomorrow to get some blood work done. Incl. zink and magnesium, i've been taking 30mg\400mg for about one and a half week, so it'll be interesting to see the results.

I've got my zink and magnesium scores from about two years ago too, so i can compare the results.

I can post the results here when i get them if you wanna know what it looks like.

btw: its amazing how much good info you get on yourself from the blood lab. Its def. worth the 20 bucks.
 
Iam very interested in seeing the results, I should have done this myself before i started taking the ZMA, since i work at the hospital and can get free blood work done. oh well. :p
 
.....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........

I feel like I am sleepier since starting ZMA> I thought it was supposed to make you less tired. Maybe I just dont sleep enough.....
 
when i take it before bedtime it helps me fall asleep but during the day i feel great... i get 8 hours a night and during the day i feel wide awake
 
dreams

The dreams that I get while taking ZMA are so bad that I really don't want to take it... They are dreams of flying, spinning out of control.. everything is so loud and really... One time I woke up, and I thought someone was being shot in my room, and my bed was moving so fast, the banging was so loud, I covered my ears and tried to stay on the bed while if nearly flew out from under me... I call that weird effects.
Dieslgrl
 
wow thats heavy stuff.... I dont think I even dream since ive been taking the ZMA or at least I dont remember them when i wake up.

P.S.
I just posted a thread regarding ZMA and all taht it does
 
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I havent noticed any effects at all aside from the weird dreams.....it freaks me out sometimes...:fro:
 
where are all these accusations of bad dreams coming from? I've used it for a while and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary... It's funny how some people are claiming that ZMA is a bunch of bullshit while others are making it into science fiction... That's two ends of the extreme... one claiming it's completely worthless while the other contributing bad dreams to zinc and magnesium supplementation
 
Z-mass pm

I started taking Z-mass a few weeks ago - one day I woke up dizzy but not sure what it is from - I am a woman who is also looking to take something for some gains - anyone use GH Stak?
 
First, its cheap... considering how much of my salary I give directly to the supplement warehouse. Second, I sleep like a rock thanks to melatonin, that stuff really knocks me the hell out. Third every little bit counts.
If you think that its the ZMA then cut back a little, the blood pressure comment could also be right, check that out.
 
Z-Mass PM

I am also a female that has tried Z-mass PM - trying to get some gains also - once in a while I wake up a bit dizzy but not too often. I think it may have helped a bit - but who knows what really is working - protein shakes - eating 6 meals a day, a post workout shake - I have just started Insuload with their creatine - I would also take any suggestions on muscle gains.;)
 
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