You will not keep your gains

[Izzman]

BTW thats a great study psychedout! Should make some heads turn! Would give some K but gotta spread it around first.

 

[Slyder190]

I have to say after a 4-5 cycles, I beleive that one will always shrink back down no matter what. This is especially true after my last bulker. It's real world reality. And i'm not against AAS now or re-born on the issue. Just presenting facts. I will use AAS to look hard in the summer, but bulking cycles are a thing of the past for me. All things considered on the issue, you must ask yourself, beyond the health concerns (POSSIBLE ones I should say), why put out the money? It's a bad investment.

 

[androjunkie]

I may not have lived up to my genetic potential yet at 6' 210 but IMO I already passed it as my body used to want to stay around 180lbs. I have been on five cycles but have taken up to 7 months off in between. Everytime about 3 weeks after I come off I continue to get stronger and bigger. I'm on HRT so I don't have to worry too much about PCT but I don't understand that while being an ectomorph I'm still growing at a pretty steady rate. I actually prefer just to train on the 200mgs of test I receive every other week. I don't get the extremely fast strength and size gains while on but just being on HRT I make gains a lot faster than someone without it.

IMO HRT works great but I will say that it sucks to have to be dependent on something for the rest of your life. I must say that I am very happy in that I only lose a few pounds of water weight when I come off a cycle, everything else just stays put while I continue to build on top of it while off.

What I'm getting at is that I feel that as long as I'm on HRT and keep diet and training in check, that I won't lose what I've got. I also know a few guys that juiced and lifted heavy years ago and fell out of the game and stopped training and eating right and IMO they are STILL bigger than they would have been without AAS and thats with shitty training to no training and poor diet, so I imagine that they would look a lot better if they had stuck with it. Sorry for rambling I'm so tired that I'm delirious.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Huck had a good post about changing your genetic limit with AAS. I think this is very true in regards to a realistic weight. If your 5'10 260 lbs ripped and expect to maintain that for years gear free, good luck! But if you end up being around 200-205 ripped, that is a very keepable weight. I'd be happy at 205-210 at 6% year round other than for contests.

 

[theoak01]

Im with Brickgirl,I feel how much you hold,as long as your not to far over the genetic limit,is determined on how long you are on maintaining those higher test levels,Im actually putting this theory to test as I plan on doing a few 4-5month cycles over the next year or so with a hardy pct regimen

 

[needsize]

I think the longer you hold the size when "on", the easier it is to keep when you are off. I bridge when off, but am able to hold my size, which is 250lbs at around 12% bodyfat, with only 10-20mg of var. And thats around 50-60lbs more than I weighed naturally

 

[tholdren]

In 1999, I did an 8 week cycle of Winstrol 50mg/eod.

I was 22 and it was my first cycle. I had over eight years of weight training experience at that point.

My bench press went from 225lbs x 3 reps, to 225lbs x 10 reps after the eight weeks.

I trained chest like a madman before juicing, but was only able to bench the miniscule weight I have previously listed.

Following my Winstrol Cycle, I didn't juice for four years.

However, I could always bench 225lbs x 10 reps -- significantly more than my pre-steroid days.

My weight returned to pre-steroid levels, but my strength was always increased.

For me, steroids have permanently increased my overall strength to a level which wasn't possible previously.

 

[Trickie]

This is my first visit to this site in a while. I did 1 cycle well over a year ago. I put on about 20 pounds of LBM and was very pleased with myself. I had the reassurances of people online and a few athletes I know that I would keep most of it. I did for a while. 4 months post cycle I was hanging around +15. I kept eating well and working out and eating well. In the time that has passed, I have very gradually gone back to about +3, where I would easily be now if I hadn't done that cycle. The drop was so gradual that I didn't really notice it. I now firmly believe that AS gains are not maintable in the long run, unless you were very small to begin with. Your body will eventually revert to normal without the occassional boost. All you people that talk on here about "gains kept" try going 2 years without a cycle and see what you are really keeping. I'm not criticizing anybody, just putting this out there for people that might be considering their 1st. I really don't care at this point. I am very happy with my build and am over the whole get huge thing. My health and stress come way before my muscle size. I have also found that I am much better at grappling/fighting at my natural weight(200) then I was at my juiced weight(220) In case anyone is curious I am 6`1. I have better endurance and coordination, and I am more than strong enough to handle the juice heads. Like I said I really am not criticizing anyone, just throwing out another point of view than what is normally pushed on this site. Take a long term view of what you are doing and see if it is really worth the acne, needles, diet, money, mood swing, legal risk... Best wishes to everybody.

What do you except if you haven't gone back on in over a year? This is one lesson I have learned - you cannot do just one cycle a year and except to keep everything.