You will not keep your gains

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

I've done five cycles in the past 4 years... started in 1999 when I was 28 years old, I'm now 32. I weighed 150lbs in 1999... approx 10%BF. I'm now 195lbs at 12%BF(5'11"). I've taken anywhere from 3-8 months off between cycles.

For my last three cycles, I've used an ancilliary regimen of HCG, Nolva, and Clomid. I've kept all my gains each time.

 

[Big Anaconda]

I agree, i think AAS move the chains as far as maximum genetic potential are concerned. This is taking into account a lot of the people i know downt he gym. There is no way some of them could be that big even after being off cycle for a long time.

 

[marky]

Ie posted this inthe past

What MAH said is absolutely true. Ive cycled 17 years including na one year on Eq and being COMPLETLY clean for 3 years straight.
Your body will return to almost precycle shape. I tried to beaat this by eating a fk load of cals. Result: I got to cycle weight but looked like crap. No one would have thought I ever cycled. These are just some true hard learned facts over a greater period of time than most on these boards.

 

[The Terminator]

Re: Ie posted this inthe past

What MAH said is absolutely true. Ive cycled 17 years including na one year on Eq and being COMPLETLY clean for 3 years straight.
Your body will return to almost precycle shape. I tried to beaat this by eating a fk load of cals. Result: I got to cycle weight but looked like crap. No one would have thought I ever cycled. These are just some true hard learned facts over a greater period of time than most on these boards.

I took ~1 year between my last 2 cycles and was 15 lbs. heavier at the start of the year then when I did my last one. So in one natural year I lost about 12-13 lbs. (which I believe was weight over my genetic max). If someone is doing 2 cycles a year I think they will always stay over the genetic limit, but take 2 years off and that might not be the case anymore...

 

[_Yossarian_]

Re: Ie posted this inthe past

What MAH said is absolutely true. Ive cycled 17 years including na one year on Eq and being COMPLETLY clean for 3 years straight.
Your body will return to almost precycle shape. I tried to beaat this by eating a fk load of cals. Result: I got to cycle weight but looked like crap. No one would have thought I ever cycled. These are just some true hard learned facts over a greater period of time than most on these boards.

 

[Zoomster]

I think it all has to be kept in perspective. I reached my natural "SPOT" at the age of 36. I trained and competed naturally for 16 years. At this point I was 5'9" at 215 lbs. Bigger than most people using AS. I started AS for fun. If you are not going to turn pro, then why is anyone doing AS if it is not for fun? I just wanted to experience the next level and I fully expect to lose every bit of what I have gained on AS. I know what that level is and I will be happy there also. I guess I am missing the point. Why would anyone be thinking they are going to keep the gains that they make off a cycle? If you keep some of them, then great! Otherwise, have fun and keep it in perspective.

Oh, by the way, I have spent, wasted, more money on natural supps that were the greatest thing since sliced bread, than any cycle that gave me real results.

 

[BrickGirl]

a lot of it has to also do with how long you maintained that "weight". I mean, if you took an 8 or 12 week cycle and expect to go off and maintain that, you will not, on the other hand, if you maintain that weight over a longer period of time, say over a year, then quit, you are more likely to keep it more of it, since alot of it will be actual muscle gain and not water weight. I think it's funny when people say I gained 15-20 lbs lbm, that is VERY hard to do on a 1 year bulking cycle without going off roids at all.

 

[marky]

Good point brick girl. And thats how it was for me after doing Eq for a year. The relative term here seems to be weight. Where the real factoir should be LBM. A facrtor which is very much more difficult to maintain w/o AAS.

 

[testalot]

I agree with the first poster. I spent 10 years in the game. i juiced heavy lifted to the point i could not sleep from bad elbows and knees, but beleived it was all worth it. I lost it all. it took over 1 year but it all went. I may be a little bigge than i would of been had i not juiced, but i lost 40+ pounds the first year. and i ate big, trained big. The simple point is, if you need drugs to get it, you need drugs to keep it!

IF YOU NEED DRUGS TO GET IT, YOU NEED DRUGS TO KEEP IT

the really sad part is that i could be at the weight i am right now, but 1) i would still be able to lift heavy probably without all the joint issues 2) i would have a shit load less health issues 3) i would not have had to have surgeries to removes cycst that grew while juicing that i didnt know about until later that caused me tons of issues.... bla bla... no matter what i say you people are so brain washed that you actually believe that steroids help your life, like there magic. hell, i cant blame you, so did i... you will wake up one day to, trust me!

 

[Mike P.T.]

I agree with Lift Chief, Big Johnson, and Brick Girl. Since taking steroids intake also increases igf-1 production you not only make your muscles bigger overall but create more muscle fibers via hyperplasia which changes your genetic makeup entirely.