Why not outsource CEO jobs???

[Testosterone boy]

CEOs of Microsoft, Intel and H-P like to wax about the benefits of sending high tech jobs overseas. Claim the help is cheaper, brighter and better educated.


If true, it goes without saying that foreign executive management would also be cheaper, brighter and better educated.

So which saves the board more money? A thousand technical employees who make 60,000/year or an exucutive who makes a hundred million a year in compensation?


Who will be able to buy the products after the jobs have been outsourced? Chinese coolies knocking down 50 cents an hour?




Again...........we are fucked economically. First manufacturing went to China, now engineering and computer jobs go to India etc.


I am pretty well planning on being a plumber in a couple years. Habib can't do that from India.

 

[plornive]

Good!

 

[Testosterone boy]

Good!

Yea...you are making money on China turning the USA into its bitch. Smart.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

The CEO position is unlikely to be outsourced, but sub positions and even heads of departments are likely to be.

Especially as entire departments can be located globally.

The issue is that the jobs that have been moved were initially labor skill jobs (building cars, running looms, etc).

Then it moved to the programming and phone jobs, which are still just skills. As much as you want to argue it, the jobs that are getting moved are just basic skills - they don't require any social networking, they don't require any special knowledge of the industry - they are essentially just components in the machine.
A programmer is a programmer.
A phone operator is a phone operator - hell they are just reading from response scripts anyway - so as long as you don't have language barrier issues, it doesn't matter.

But the CEO position is far more complicated than that.
The CEO generally is global anyway - CEOs of multinational companies don't sit in their offices in mid-west USA and surf Elite - they are in meetings which are globally located.
In effect, there would be no need to outsource them because they are never really in house anyway.

If you make the salary arguement, I think you will find that anyone with the skillsets of modern CEOs (graduating from Harvard MBA program, masters in Econ from MIT, graduated with honors in math and econ from Harvard, etc - which I can think of about 20 CEOs that are in that realm), they are all going to be making the same money.

If someone in India/China/etc has that skillset - they aren't going to be staying in their homeland - they are going to be in the country where the company is.

CEOs are already multinational, so you can't really cut costs there.
Using your tools in a different place geographically on the other hand - whether they are car assembling robots, or code assembling monkeys - can be done anywhere and by anyone given the proper basic skillset.

 

[ohashi]

You can't expect people from countries that are financially worse off than we are to successfully run multi-billion dollar companies.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

You can't expect people from countries that are financially worse off than we are to successfully run multi-billion dollar companies.

The fact that their countries are worse off matters less than their education and experience.
Someone can learn programming from a book.
You can't just read "Be a CEO in 10 days!" and then run a multi-national company.
That is the difference, not the fact that they are from XYZ.

There are plenty of CEOs from other countries (many from India and China) that have the pedigree to succeed and they are doing fine.

 

[ohashi]

They have to go through the whole learning experience of controlling a large company in the U.S. Being a CEO of Dildo Tech in China will be very different from being the CEO of Microsoft. You can't just hire them and expect them to do well; they have to learn and adjust to new conditions, laws, customers, relations, etc.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Yea...you are making money on China turning the USA into its bitch. Smart.

Actually......the USA and China are being turned into the bitch of a small group of people.

 

[Testosterone boy]

The CEO position is unlikely to be outsourced, but sub positions and even heads of departments are likely to be.

Especially as entire departments can be located globally.

The issue is that the jobs that have been moved were initially labor skill jobs (building cars, running looms, etc).

Then it moved to the programming and phone jobs, which are still just skills. As much as you want to argue it, the jobs that are getting moved are just basic skills - they don't require any social networking, they don't require any special knowledge of the industry - they are essentially just components in the machine.
A programmer is a programmer.
A phone operator is a phone operator - hell they are just reading from response scripts anyway - so as long as you don't have language barrier issues, it doesn't matter.

But the CEO position is far more complicated than that.
The CEO generally is global anyway - CEOs of multinational companies don't sit in their offices in mid-west USA and surf Elite - they are in meetings which are globally located.
In effect, there would be no need to outsource them because they are never really in house anyway.

If you make the salary arguement, I think you will find that anyone with the skillsets of modern CEOs (graduating from Harvard MBA program, masters in Econ from MIT, graduated with honors in math and econ from Harvard, etc - which I can think of about 20 CEOs that are in that realm), they are all going to be making the same money.

If someone in India/China/etc has that skillset - they aren't going to be staying in their homeland - they are going to be in the country where the company is.

CEOs are already multinational, so you can't really cut costs there.
Using your tools in a different place geographically on the other hand - whether they are car assembling robots, or code assembling monkeys - can be done anywhere and by anyone given the proper basic skillset.

Reading between the lines, only about 99% of jobs can be outsourced. Cool.


My job can't easily be outsourced but who is going to be able to pay me?


Oh well....plumbing pays OK and I already have a lot of the skills from plumbing reef aquariums.

 

[Apöllo]

My GF brother in law is 2nd bannana in a big Corp that handles electronic transactions, banks, credit cards, atms. So I asked him what he thought about CEOs and people like himself getting paid huge amounts of money.

He simply stated something to the effect of "if we don't pay that kind of money someone else will and that's all that matters."

When I asked him why they sent all those jobs overseas he told me, "It wasn't my decision, it was the markets."