Why has Masteron shut my libido down? Adex/Prov/Mast too much?

[Zyglamail]

What do you think is up?

Any answers are going to be strictly speculation. Using how you "feel", dick hardness, horniness etc as a judge of whats happening hormonally inside your body is basically worthless.

There are a bunch of online sources to buy lab tests and they have you goto a local lab for blood draw and then show you the results. No doc needed.

And by the way, you were likely shut down before you ever added masteron.

 

[stevesmi]

nolvadex killed your libido as nelson said. the timing of it i'm not sure about but also you are running too many compounds that block estrogen. so your estrogen probably is very low also hurting libido during cycle.

get off the nolva and don't stack so many things together like that.. with those stats you aren't gonna ever be Ronnie Coleman so why are you trying to be clever with your cycles? first cycle should be 1 compound only. its like having sex for the first time with 4 girls. you will end up looking stupid to them.. stick to 1 girl first, learn what you are doing.. and then later on go for 2 if you are into that type of thing.. then 3 .. and then 4 later on.

 

[musclei]

Any answers are going to be strictly speculation. Using how you "feel", dick hardness, horniness etc as a judge of whats happening hormonally inside your body is basically worthless.

There are a bunch of online sources to buy lab tests and they have you goto a local lab for blood draw and then show you the results. No doc needed.

Yep, that's one of the things that struck me as odd when he mentioned it. Dude, all you need to get labs is go and gem them done. Take a list of which values you want checked and that's all. Only problem is money or I'll do it more often.

 

[masterkush81]

nolvadex killed your libido as nelson said. the timing of it i'm not sure about but also you are running too many compounds that block estrogen. so your estrogen probably is very low also hurting libido during cycle.

get off the nolva and don't stack so many things together like that.. with those stats you aren't gonna ever be Ronnie Coleman so why are you trying to be clever with your cycles? first cycle should be 1 compound only. its like having sex for the first time with 4 girls. you will end up looking stupid to them.. stick to 1 girl first, learn what you are doing.. and then later on go for 2 if you are into that type of thing.. then 3 .. and then 4 later on.

This is great advice!!!!! Steve knows whats he's doing...

 

[lanier1974]

Nelson, yes, I thought it was odd also. After my first shot of 200mg I started swelling up. After my second shot of 200mg I blew up like a balloon! And by that second week, my nipples were quite sore. My buddy, whose first cycle it is too, took the same as me, and didnt bloat at all. He doesnt get those estrogen fatty deposits, but i do. That's when I added arimidex, and took a dose of nolvadex. I have stayed on the Adex but the nolvadex I've only taken three times. So that makes me wonder whether the nolvadex could possibly affect my libido. The masteron was the one that seemed to affect it, timeline wise. I do think I have high estrogen naturally. I must. Would explain the fast bloat. Also, even sub 8% bodyfat when I can see the veins in my abs during rock climbing season, I can never get rid of my love handles or a bit of fat in my chest, with the cleanest, strictest leangains diet imaginable. Really frustrating.

 

[lanier1974]

I sincerely appreciate everyones help!

Zyglamail, about the bloodwork....Im an American living in Japan. I can't begin to describe how touchy and difficult getting anything done here is. Suffice to say, ANYTHING that isn't group robotic think, normal, or just plain usual, is met with passive aggressive refusal. Utterly. If I were military its easy, but I'm a self sponsored visa holder and I have to be careful. Asking for ANYTHING out of the ordinary sends up red flags and has Nihonjin scurrying....you learn to keep your head down here. Gear is legal, injecting it isn't. Crazy. I can mail order domestic testosterone, and syringes are illegal. Go figure.

Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced online lab company? Getting blood drawn may be feasible as I can make up any reason I want.

I didn't FEEL shutdown before I added masteron...I was horny as hell until the second day after the mast shot. Very pronounced and immediate change. I don't WANT to blame the mast, but it's a big coincidence ain't it?

Steve, how could nolvadex kill my libido if I only took it on three occasions over six weeks? You seem to think my estrogen is too low, Nelson thinks its too high. ??? My other symptoms seem to suggest its high as mentioned above in my prev post. I blew up immediately like a balloon, and my natural fat deposit patterns suggest it too.

As for so much gear, from my reading, I was under the impression the stuff I was taking was synergistic and helped each other....unlike the multiplying effects such as hitting tren or dbol or deca on top. I wanted to use the prov and then dht to add a bit of "manliness".....most people think im 28. i seriously look young. zero body hair. young boys hairline. Added adex to manage severe and immediate bloat. popped emergency nolva as nips demanded.

I'm learning. Thanks for teaching. Steve, should I take clomid and not nolvadex during pct then in your opinion? In not "on" the nolva now, it's just for emergency management when I get sore nips.

 

[lanier1974]

BTW, mid week six now and I've gained 10kg! Plenty of water, and a bit of fat, but solid gains too. Never happened in my life without test.

And, I've skipped my Masteron prop shot. Changed nothing else. Today is three days without, libido is up a bit, but more significantly, my overall satisfied/happy/testosterone-good-feeling has returned. Hmm.

 

[lanier1974]

Well, Adex is the same at 0.5mg EOD, masteron stopped three days ago. Noticed today the bloat/swelling around my ankles has returned, which happened with the initial bloat at week one and two, but had gone down since with the Adex. Granted Ive been eating a ton, including a lot of potatoes to help bulk up.....but bloat is obviously getting worse again without the masteron and no other change.

What's the recommended course? Given this development, shall I add back the masteron and leave alone the Adex, add back the masteron and lower the Adex, or just raise the Adex?

Interesting thought: Day after the first masteron shot, my libido shot so high I was compelled to go home and masturbate, and I've never been so hard in my life. That days workout was super strong. Second day after, libido crashed to nothing. I wonder: did the masteron DHT initially drive my libido up, but the subsequent estrogen lowering effect of DHT override this and lower my libido via a different pathway? In other words, the horny driven effect is still present, but the secondary effect of lowering estrogen overrides that effect? Yet, I stil have bloat and my body has always had signs of high estrogen, so could this be possible, for me that is, to have estrogen too low?

Advise?

 

[JTJT123]

First, get your blood pressure taken. If you're bloated up like a balloon and you're blood pressure is high that could be affecting you're sexual performance. You say the desire is there so that leads me to believe it might not be a hormonal problem, though there really isn't any way to know for certain without a blood test. You're trying to figure this out based on symptoms and a timeline like "Oh I took a shot of Masteron on Tuesday and was randy as a goat on Wednesday but on Friday my nips got sore and my sausage lost his ruddy complexion until Sunday when I ate a snickers bar and everything returned to normal so is my estrogen too high or too low or is my dihydrotestosterone too sideways?" You're forgetting that you were on cycle for 5 weeks before you used any masteron and your problems started in which time you had used large doses of testosterone plus proviron, AI's and Serms-Lotta drugs-Lotta downstream reactions in your body that no one is going to be able to keep up with on a message board and tell you what your problem is, especially if you can't post up bloodwork which it doesn't seem like you can. In other words, these things are cumulative and seeing a side effect or temporary improvement of that side effect is not necessarily a result of what you did the day before. If you want my advise it's time to abort this cycle. Keep using your proviron until the long estered test runs its course while blasting some HCG-or in your case some HMG since it doesn't seem to make estrogen spike like HCG does and you seem to be pretty susceptible to that-get your balls working again and then figure out a PCT using natural supps that support recovery and sex drive-think bulbine, bulgarian trib, indonesian longjack, maca, muira puama, catuaba, avenocosides or one of the many combo products they make. Lay off the serms since you don't seem to do well with drugs plus they suck and next time use more common sense. I don't mean to put you down but why the hell would you up your test dosage to 400 and then 600 when you were bloating to where you could not recognize your face on 200? I'm betting you planned out a cycle beforehand and followed it to the letter without adjusting to what you were seeing in the mirror which is understandable so long as you don't do the same thing next time. Also, ending this cycle now isn't really so bad considering you've gained 22lbs and even if 5 or 6 of those lbs are lean mass that isn't the end of the world especially considering your HPTA should recover quickly since you weren't on for too long. And for your next cycle remember the term "minimal effective amount" for both the steroids and the ancillaries.

 

[lanier1974]

JT, damn straight answer. Thanks for that. Food for thought.

I bloated without Adex the first week. When I added it, bloat got better. So I continued. Nobody gets much mass on 200mg so down the rabbit hole I went. 400mg with Adex and still no mass. Studies I read showed a huge mass gain change between 300 and 600mg. Most considered 600mg safe. So that's what I did. Bloat was there but steady. On 600mg I began to actually feel the test and get some mass. So I'm glad I went to that level.

Point taken about time and a cocktail being too complex to sort out logically. Maybe I'm stupid but I can't get the kind of bloodwork and doctor care here in Japan on a teachers salary in the most expensive city in the world, Tokyo. Then again, gear is legal and clean, which isn't the case back home.

As for libido, upon further thought; my interest has been way up the whole time. And I've spent quite a few loads. The mental drive is still there, and while less hard, all still works. 6 weeks is also concurrent with shrinkage so that may be at play. Honestly, steroids notwithstanding , jacking off this much makes anyone dry. Sadly no girlfriend at this point. Mast made me more irritated, without it I'm more happy. But today's lift lacked the fury mast gave me. Trade off I suppose.

I am thinking of upping the Adex given my ankles are bloated and just continue the masteron as it keeps the bloat down. I highly doubt my estrogen is too low considering my symptoms and history. Flying blind, yes, bloodwork needed, certainly.

If it gets worse, I'll call it and come off. Planned 12wk, but as Patton said, plans go out the window the minute the first shot is fired.

Anyone got that online lab recommendation?