Why do the C & C juicers hate....

[Lacedamion]

I think it's just the [steroid] scene naturally growing and expanding it's boundarys... and a lot of the new kids/guys aren't encouraged to get a knowledgable foundation before shooting up illegal drugs, as was moreso the case years ago.

I researched for a few years before I started. If I decide to hit another cycle, I guarantee I will research again for a long time before I inject anything.

 

[samoth]

I researched for a few years before I started. If I decide to hit another cycle, I guarantee I will research again for a long time before I inject anything.

Ditto. I even sat on my first cycle for a year because I felt I didn't know enough at the time.

What scares me nowadays is the proliferation of bathtub gear. The number of threads mentioning cysts or infections is rather disheartening.

 

[swole]

maybe they want to stick with a simple, short ester compound. or something.

test proplolomfao!?!?

 

[the_clockwork]

pec dec.. aka butterfly machine


swole what u superset those niggas with?

 

[Lestat]

i think everyone's idea of a pefect cycle is different. I think if I was giving a total newbie advice so he didn't go out and do something REALLY stupid I'd say run this.
8-10 weeks

300mg test enanth or cyp (just because its fewer injects, ideally I think test prop would be a better way to go)
200mg deca

kick it off with 25mg of dbol for the first 3 weeks. polish it off with some winny (inject) or anavar if you had extra cash for the last 4 weeks.

Do your own homework on the anti-e's, post cycle, and any other ancillaries but I'd say you need an anti-e, you need nolva on hand, you need a solid post cycle setup, this was traditionally where newbies fucked themselves up the most.

I think that'd cycle give a newbie some exposed to a couple of the most important bodybuilding drugs, let them experience how they affect them at moderate levels, and would definitely swole you up huge with a low level of risk.

I understand someone wanting to steer clear of deca for the bad rap its gotten by some, but deca's sides are manageble and not experienced to the same degree by everyone (same goes for pretty much all drugs).

The sust debate is funny. Its trust, simpler is generally better, especially when effecting your hormone levels, but sust and all its different esters was designed that way for a reason. You get short and long lasting esters. It works very well for a lot of people.

But I believe test is test, so go with whatever is most convenient for you. sust250 was readily available in pharm grade from europe so its popularity soared.

 

[Lacedamion]

I actually use the pec deck sometime at the very end of a workout.....LOL

 

[Lestat]

I actually use the pec deck sometime at the very end of a workout.....LOL

is that the same as the fly machine?

 

[redsamurai]

I hate sust.......I think the long esters make me sick. When I did 750/wk of sust two years ago.....it was the worst cycle of my life. All I wanted to do was stay home and jerk off........no initiative to go to the gym whatsoever. I've never felt that lazy in my life. As soon as I threw some dbol into it, I was fine. Tprop alone is a different story........love it.

 

[Lacedamion]

Sust and D-bol made me feel like superman...

 

[samoth]

I always find it funny how the C&C guys always seem way more knowledgable than most of the guys in the anabolic forum, lol.