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Why can't I grow?

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Somebody help me, please. I cannot seem to grow. I am 6'2" and 220 lbs with 15%BF. So far I have gotten somewhat stronger/harder, just NO growth. Here's the rundown...
Note, I am diabetic on a fairly low carb diet.
I am eating until I am sick (3500 - 4000 calories per day) 50% protein, 30% fat and 20% carbohydrates, to include four servings of protein drinks per day. Blood glucose ranges 100-140. I work out 5 days per week at a pretty high intensity. Moderate-low cardio 3x per week. Here is the kicker... my cycle...

Week 1 & 2: 35 mg dbol and 100 mg trenbalone acetate ED
Week 3 to 8: 50 mg dbol and 100 mg trenbalone acetate ED
Week 9 & 10: 50 mg dbol and 100 mg EACH tren and test prop ED
I also take 0.5 mg arimidex EOD while on dbol
(the rest is yet to come, this is the plan...)
Weeks 11-16 to have 100 mg test prop and 20 mg nolva ED
Followed by clomid therapy...

It seems like a lot of juice for no gains... otherwise I live clean. Can some one offer me some insight?

HM
 
Yeah powerlifter has got a point...but that's obviously not the reason you're not growing.

Obviously since you have diabetes, i am not qualified to make adjustments to your diet, and I would not do so without talking to your doctor.

The problem might be that you are not periodizing your workout routines. Try dropping the intensity of your workouts and upping the volume, which is always a good thing to do during any cycle, since what the juice does is lower the time needed for recovery between exercise sessions and delay the onset of fatigue during each session.

Then switch it up every 4-6 weeks, altering the intensity and volume of workouts each period. Your body will not respond to the same workout routine day in day out for too long...you need to change it up.
 
Good info from Bulldog_10.

Your diet looks ok, and you're taking more gear than me (6 ft, 317 lbs), so I'd say that leaves training and rest. Why don't you post your current workout routine? :)
 
4000 calories a day? Are you sure?

I'd also venture to guess all that d-bol is fake or underdosed.

At any rate, drop the cardio. You'll grow.
 
Powerlifter said: man, i pity you liver, 10 weeks on d-bol? damn.. research it better man.

I understand the concern and made a choice. Since I also did not grow from the first cycle 100mg fina ED week 1-8/100 mg test prop ED week 4-12... I got the following advise from an M.D. involved with this sort of thing for 25+ years... yes, d-bol is associated with liver problems, but usually from chronic overexposure. This is my first time on dbol and we decided that since I failed to grow on my first cycle, we would go fairly large doses for up to ten weeks. He felt for sure I would grow on that and could cut dbol out at 6 or maybe 8 weeks. No luck.

Also, yes, I am painfully aware of the calories I eat... 4000 is extreme days, usually 3500 (5 meals and 4 servings of protein drinks at 250 cal each)

Finally, sample exercise week:
As Heavy as I possibly can

Monday
Flat Bench (4 X 10)
Incline Bench (4 X 8)
Flat Dumbbell Flys (4 X 10)
Cable Crossovers (3 X 12)
Straight Bar Pushdowns (3 X 10)
Nose Breakers (3 X 10)
Seated Triceps Extensions (3 X 10)
Standing Calve Raises (3 X 12)
Seated Calve Raises (3 X 12)
30 min cardio

Tuesday
Squats (4 X 10)
Leg Presses (4 X 8-10)
Leg Extensions (4 X10)
Leg Curls (4 X 10)
Isolated Standing Calve raises (3 X 12)
Calve Raises (Leg Press Mach.) (3 X 12)

Wednesday
30 min cardio

Thursday
Military Press (4 X 10)
Dumbbell Side Laterals (4 X 8)
Front Dumbbell Raises (4 X 8)
Rear Flys (Mach.) (4 X 12)
Standing Straight Bar Curls (4 x10)
Alternating Dumbbell Curls (3 x10)
Preacher Curls (Mach.) (3 x10)
Wrist Curls (3 x15)
Floor Crunches (2 X 100)
Ab Machine (3 X 50)

Friday
Front Lat Pull Downs (4 X10)
Close Grip Pull Downs (4 X10)
One Arm Dumbbell Rows (4 X 8)
Close Grip Machine Rows (4 X10)
Shrug Machine (4 X 12)
Dumbbell Shrugs (standing) (4 X 12)
Ab Machine (3 X 50)
Floor Crunches (2 X 100)

Saturday or Sunday
30 min cardio
nautilus (medium weight, focus on peak contractions and no rest between)

I mix up the exercises used in the routine to keep it interesting, but in general, this is what I do. I have been told by my w/o partner that I tend not to rest enough between sets... I do alternate exercises. For example, after a set of flat benches, I will do a set of seated rows, then go back to presses and so on... instead of sitting around for a long ass time. Will that keep you from growing? I can see limiting growth, but not stopping it altogether...

Thanks for the advise... maybe I can still salvage SOMETHING from this cycle...

HM
 
Oh yeah, Nleson, I am giving the dbol to someone who will establish its authenticity and dose tomorrow. I will let you know.

HM
 
I know your on a good amount of gear but it looks to me like your overtraining. If your hitting every set hard thats 30 sets total your doing on monday alone, and following it with 30 min cardio? Id look there for your problem. How long are you in the gym for? Also, resting in between sets is important and if you insist on lifting and cardio so much, I would up the calories significantly.
My 2 cents.
 
ahem- just a question for us ignorant people. can you make good gains if you are diabetic?
 
You are overtraining. 30 sets per workout is insane. I don't do that many sets in a week. I do about 5-6 sets per workout, 4 times a week. Cut it back to at most 10-12 sets per workout.
 
Rest between sets is very important. What your doing is workin out for the pump. This is not good for growing mass.
 
You're flat out over training. If you're sure that your gear is good then consider the following:

Try not to be some regimented in your sets and reps. There is no magical number that you should strive for. You said that you try to train as heavy as you can, I've always found that if I stayed on the same routine, my growth stopped quickly.

Why not create a completely different routine ? Instead of doing 4 x 10 of everything, add in a few weeks worth of drop sets for one week and then the next do nothing except 100's ?

I have never been able to train hard every day of the week. I prefer EOD with an extra day here or there if I had a less than productive work out one day.

You need to concentrate on the larger muscle groups to stimulate growth. Don't waste energy on the smaller groups, hit them dead last if at all. Once you get growing, you will have time ti hit the finishing details. Kill the cardio for a month or so.

You might also look at your carb timing. I have had limited success with others in similiar situations by adjusting their carb intake. Also, look at the protein you're getting from your drink, some are obviously better than others and your body may not be capable of digesting 250 grms at a time. In my case, I find that I get nothing from GNC's 1850 crap.

You did not mention if you were using any anti e's, if so consider backing off their use.

BPP
 
Thanks for the advise so far. First, I had my dbol tabs analyzed. The result of analysis by proton NMR: they are in fact authentic dbol. Second, if anything, they are slightly overdosed (almost 6 mg/tab).

Thus it is true... I am the only freak in the world who can take 50mg/day of dbol for 10 weeks and gain NO weight. Would someone be willing to help me put together a more suitable workout regimine?

Thanks a bunch.

HM
 
HM,

I am just going to give you a quick reply for now, but I will reply more later.

At first look I think I can see a few reasons for your growth problems, so let me lay down some basics that I bet will help with your next cycle.

The first thing that jumped off the page to me in your training, was that it appeared that you were doing 4 sets 8-10 reps per set. Now don't get me wrong, because unlike some of the other vets and members out here (even some that posted on this thread), I subscribe to high sets of multiple exercises. It is a proven method and works well while on cycle. This is what I would suggest you do, next time around: (please keep in mind that this is an on cycle idea only, not off. While off, I would do a 4 day split)

Break it down to one body-part everyday (example, Monday, chest, Tuesday, Bis, Wednesday, Shoulders, Thursday, Legs, Friday, Tris, Saturday, Back). This is just an example, but will really work to shock your muscles.

After a warm up, do your first set at 80% of max, then do your next three sets (if possible) at 100% or close to it. You want your muscles to be screaming out. Bottom line is that if you can do 4 sets of 10 on any exercise, you could have went much heavier for less reps. You need to force them to grow this way. You need to be intense, and I mean intense. I am a very intense trainer, (ask people who have seen my videos) and until I learned this I was always stuck in a rut.

Secondly, I would eat, eat and eat some more. Don't worry about getting fat, this is going to happen no matter what if you want to grow. Don't do cardio while on cycle, none at all. I would try to aim for 5-6k cals a day, clean as possible.

Anyway, I will get back to you more later. Peace
 
You can't possibly be doing all those sets with any kind of intensity.

Overtraining and drop the cardio.
 
you are a fucking pussy 3500cals i eat that much in one sitting try 8,000 cals i drink 3500 cals a day when i am bulking adn thats jsut fluids
 
nice6pac said:
you are a fucking pussy 3500cals i eat that much in one sitting try 8,000 cals i drink 3500 cals a day when i am bulking adn thats jsut fluids
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Everyone's different bro, no need to get hostile.

It might just boild down to the fact that your body doesn't respond at all to anabolics, I would guess that since everyone's body chemistry is different that some people might not react well to juice. Some people get better gains than others and some get no gains. I think that everything looks ok and you're a little bit overtraining, but that depends on the person too, some people grow off of 5 sets a workout while others get nothing from it. I try to do the 16-20 sets per workout myself and with some fina and a good diet, I've gained a good 30lbs so far this year. Up the calories a little bit and lower the sets and go from there bro.
 
A few things off the top of my head.

"Not enough carbs"

"Your routine is cardio intensive"

"You are tall so chances are you have a fast metabolism"

"You are relying on shakes which are more likely to be converted to glucose"

Add these 4 together and what you are doing is creating a state in your body where the PROTEIN you eat is being used for energy. It's being broken down and not being used for protein synthesis.

So the first thing you need to do is increase your calories, eat 4500-5000 cals a day.

No more than 2 shakes a day (1 post workout shake)

switch ratios to 50 % carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat
 
OVERTRAINING, OVERTRAINING, OVERTRAINING!!!

Some people are afraid that training less frequently will hinder growth - it is quite the opposite! You grow only when you rest, not in the gym. So do one body part per workout, try 3 sets per exercise, not more than 4 exercises per muscle group. Hit them hard, rest plenty, eat well and watch those muscles grow.
And yes, real food is much better than shakes.

Good luck!
 
BigAndy69 said:
A few things off the top of my head.

"Not enough carbs"

"Your routine is cardio intensive"

"You are tall so chances are you have a fast metabolism"

"You are relying on shakes which are more likely to be converted to glucose"

Add these 4 together and what you are doing is creating a state in your body where the PROTEIN you eat is being used for energy. It's being broken down and not being used for protein synthesis.

So the first thing you need to do is increase your calories, eat 4500-5000 cals a day.

No more than 2 shakes a day (1 post workout shake)

switch ratios to 50 % carbs, 30% protein, 20% fat
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He is diabetic (type II) and insulin resistant. If he ate that many carbs his blood sugar would go through the roof.

-Spidey
 
Bro you are doing WAY too much volume. I would check out the DC training sticky at the top of the training forum.
 
You got some good advice, bro. Basically, it looks like you should eat more, and exercise less.
 
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