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Who's lookin forward to seeing Hughes vs Gracie???

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Old skool vs. new skool. Royce is gettin up there in years but he did pretty much jumpstart every MMA dojo in the states... I can't wait to see this shiz

Strength and standup = hughes
Experience and flexibility, submissions = gracie

The only thing better would be Rickson vs....well, anybody. lol

Opinions???
 
Not psyched at all....Hughes will open him up real quick, end the fight by referee stoppage. I wonder if Royce will be rocking the Gi, lol. Rickson is the man though...but too old, bro.
 
I will join the consensus on this one.
Gracie was the man when nobody knew what he was doing.
BJJ dominated early UFC events as nobody knew much about it.

Todays fighters are very much aware of, and train heavily in grappling along with wrestling, clinching, standup and GNP. Hughes is also exceptionally strong for his size and has a dense farmboy physique.

Matt should win pretty easily.

The Hughes vs GSP fight rematch is the one that I think will be more interesting. I actually think GSP will take the belt when they meet again although it promises to be a good fight either way.
 
Alcatraz1662 said:
Not psyched at all....Hughes will open him up real quick, end the fight by referee stoppage. I wonder if Royce will be rocking the Gi, lol. Rickson is the man though...but too old, bro.
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rickson died bro
 
I'm excited to see this too. My personal opinion is that Hughes will overpower and dominate his much older opponent. Hughes is known for his ridiculous strength and I can see a classic pick up, carry across the mat, slam, and brutal GNP to finish the fight.
 
Who knows what Gracie still has in him, may be he is saving the best for last.
But it's true, Gracie was the man when he faught the way no one knew how to fight. I want to see the weaker, older man to win.
 
The other thing that Gracie had going for him in the beginning was NO ROUNDS. I just thought of this. He had some bouts that were like 30 mins, an hour, etc. He would just wait for teh other dude to fuckup and then FINALLY grab an arm, etc. Now that he's gotta stand up every 5 mins, he might get hurt BAD. Hughes is a monster at his size.
 
theoak01 said:
rickson died bro
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Whoah. Really?! I can't find anything on that...I'll keep looking.
 
I'm looking forward to this fight, too. But I'll bet that will be one of the more boring fights. I see it going the distance, with Hughes being in Royce's guard most of the time. The crowd will get weary of the stalemates, and start booing every time it goes back to the ground. Hughes will get the decision based on the fact that he will be the aggressor while Royce will just be defending himself from the ground. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a duplicate of Royce vs Ken Shamrock, where it stayed on the ground almost the whole time, and was boring to watch.
Hughes will be much too physically fit to run out of gas. And he's too experienced to make a dumb mistake that Royce can use against him. Royce, on the other hand, has enough fighting experience to deal with Hughes stand-up game. And on the ground, Royce has enough experience and know-how to not get submitted by either strikes or submission.
So as I said before, it will go the distance, with Hughes winning unanimous decision because he will do better when they stand. And Royce will stick to putting Hughes in his guard and defending from there, which will lose him points in the judges eyes since Hughes will be seen as being more the aggressor.
 
I'm looking forward to this fight, too. But I'll bet that will be one of the more boring fights. I see it going the distance, with Hughes being in Royce's guard most of the time. The crowd will get weary of the stalemates, and start booing every time it goes back to the ground. Hughes will get the decision based on the fact that he will be the aggressor while Royce will just be defending himself from the ground. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a duplicate of Royce vs Ken Shamrock, where it stayed on the ground almost the whole time, and was boring to watch.
Hughes will be much too physically fit to run out of gas. And he's too experienced to make a dumb mistake that Royce can use against him. Royce, on the other hand, has enough fighting experience to deal with Hughes stand-up game. And on the ground, Royce has enough experience and know-how to not get submitted by either strikes or submission.
So as I said before, it will go the distance, with Hughes winning unanimous decision because he will do better when they stand. And Royce will stick to putting Hughes in his guard and defending from there, which will lose him points in the judges eyes since Hughes will be seen as being more the aggressor.
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I agree bro! Well said...
 
Kane Fan said:
would anyone be really dissapointed if they went out and Royce KO'd Matt with a ninja kick or something...
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LMFAO! That would be awwwwwwwesome...but I'll settle for an arm-bar or triangle. As long as Hughes loses.:)
 
Pre-Sale tickets went on sale today on ticketmaster.com

use the code ufc16 to buy tickets early.

Event will be in the Staples Center in Los Angeles - lowest price is $50 for nosebleed seats. IMO tickets are waaaaaayyyyyyy overpriced.
 
Yeah, I pay 5 bucks at a bar in my neighborhood and watch it there with a bunch of drunk douchebags who think grappling is "gay". lol
 
AnabolicFreak said:
Rickson's son, Rockson, died a few years ago, but Rickson is still alive.
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Oh shit, that f**kin' sucks man.....how?
 
I am going to be an underdog on this subject and say that gracie will win via submission.... I like Matt hughes and all, strong mofto he is, but just like what Gracie said " Thats his house "...

Inhibitor
 
1392477 said:
I will join the consensus on this one.
Gracie was the man when nobody knew what he was doing.
BJJ dominated early UFC events as nobody knew much about it.

Todays fighters are very much aware of, and train heavily in grappling along with wrestling, clinching, standup and GNP. Hughes is also exceptionally strong for his size and has a dense farmboy physique.

Matt should win pretty easily.

The Hughes vs GSP fight rematch is the one that I think will be more interesting. I actually think GSP will take the belt when they meet again although it promises to be a good fight either way.
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I'd have to echo this to the tee. Royce is a legend, but after a loss to Hughes, he'll be looked at differently.
 
Word is, Royce will be fighting without a gi, since they will be fighting under UFC rules. That should be to Hughes advantage (getting stood back up at stalemates, time periods, time limit). I'm sure Royce has racked up countless hours practicing without a gi in his lifetime. But he's never fought a professional fight without one, but his first gi-less fight is going to be with Matt Hughes?
The Gracies don't care for the new UFC rules to begin with, now Royce is going in without a gi, to boot. Damn, that must've been one helluva big paycheck Dana White flashed in front of Royce's eyes.
 
After Frank Shamrock's 21 second KO of Cesar Gracie last weekend I think we will see another Gracie go down vs Matt Hughes.
 
If Royce has been training with Rickson then I think Royce will take it. Rickson is a mean mofo not just on the ground but in stand up also and if he's been able to work Royce over then Royce just may be able to take it.
 
I haven't picked a favorite yet.
No doubt, Matt's a monster, but Royce was, too.
Age isn't as much of a factor as it would have been back when UFC fights used to be ridiculously long. Besides, look at what Couture did at his age.
Gracie is also used to taking on guys who were bigger and stronger. Is Matt stronger than Kimo?
 
Gracie has only had 5 matches from 2000 on and has only won 2. He is 2-1-2 in those fights. A fighter that is similar to Hughes (weaker, but incredible at submissions) named Sakuraba pounded Gracie into a corner stoppage. I see something similar here.
 
Djimbe said:
dude , He fought Akebono withoiut a Gi , didnt he ?
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He fought Yoshida without one also.
 
Hell yeah. I'm going to a MMA event tomorrow at the state fair grounds. Sponsored by local clubs

Whiskey
 
s-well said:
Is Matt stronger than Kimo?
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I don't see how Kimo's strength vs Matt's strength can be of any relevence. I believe that Matt today could beat Kimo on his best day, despite his bigger size and strength. As we've seen time and time again before weight classes were set up in the UFC, a person with top notch fighting skills and experience could tear up someone far stronger, yet with less fighting experience and skills.

ass_face said:
Gracie has only had 5 matches from 2000 on and has only won 2. He is 2-1-2 in those fights. A fighter that is similar to Hughes (weaker, but incredible at submissions) named Sakuraba pounded Gracie into a corner stoppage. I see something similar here.
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Yeah, 2-1-2, he's no longer undefeated. But like I said in an earlier post, I see it going the distance with Gracie losing on points. I'm sure there will be a time limit, maybe 5 rounds @ 5 mins each. That's only 25 minutes of fighting. When Gracie fought Sakuraba, they fought for 1 1/2 hours before Royce's corner threw in the towel (word is, Royce had something fractured).
 
I can't believe anyone actually thinks this is going to be a fight. Were this a couple of years ago I would say that it was going to go the distance. But this will be ref stoppage due to relentless elbows to royce's face. Royce's has lost the few fights he’s had in the past couple years to less than elite level competitors with the exception of Sakuraba (nickname "the gracie killer"). Look for a brutal beating here.
 
hughs makes alot of mistakes. you guys are forgetting the fights where hughs barely escaped from submissions? (alot of them)

and ya he manged to pull them out. he cant afford to fuck up against gracie. you might be surprised.
 
Rickson Gracie's son, Rockson died a few years ago in a motorcycle accident in New York, but Carlson Gracie Sr. died just a couple of months ago.
All the thanks and respect goes to the Gracies for making MMA what it is today. Without them, Matt Hughes would probably just be a college wrestling coach somewhere. Hughes is definitely a valiant warrior, but he has his opponent to thank for such a lucrative career.
 
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mozbie1 said:
Rickson Gracie's son, Rockson died a few years ago in a motorcycle accident in New York, but Carlson Gracie Sr. died just a couple of months ago.
All the thanks and respect goes to the Gracies for making MMA what it is today. Without them, Matt Hughes would probably just be a college wrestling coach somewhere. Hughes is definitely a valiant warrior, but he has his opponent to thank for such a lucrative career.
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You, sir, are correct on all counts. :think: ;)
 
what I never heard the full story on is....how did Carlson die? Wasn't it pretty sudden/unexpected?

Speaking of old school Gracie stuff, I watched UFC 2 last night, lol, (Fred Ettish rules!) My BJJ trainer was actually part of the old Gracie "train" so that was funny to see him looking all young too.
 
The way I remember the story, Carlson Gracie Sr. was a diabetic and he initially went in the hospital to undergo kidney stone surgery, but died from complications.
 
gracie will loose this fight..... I just saw him fight a Jap guy at ... if I remember on the same show frank shamrock fought cezar gracie... it may have been a differnet show but It was recent fight... He almost lost and the jap guy was very small - but good. Matt Hughes is a strong technical country boy like ME and he is way ahead of Hoyce as far as the evoulution of MMA... MH will win big!!
 
al420 said:
Royce is going to choke him out, apply a submission hold, make him quit. Help him up and send him home. At least that is what I keep hearing.
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I've never seen Royce help anybody up. He usually holds the submission way too long to prove his point then quickly walks to his family for a group hug.

But whatever. I just hope it doesn't go the distance. Too many decisions lately. But they're both so good that it may end up that way, with a pair of shrugs.

We'll see.
 
al420 said:
Royce is going to choke him out, apply a submission hold, make him quit. Help him up and send him home. At least that is what I keep hearing.
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:lmao: yeah, I've heard that quite a few times now too, lol.

Actually, Royce only held those submissions so long back in the day because the refs were retards and didn't even know what submissions were, (see Gracie vs Shamrock I).

And I hope he kisses him on the cheek to embarass him like BJ Penn did after he choked his ass out, lol.
 
I think it will be a one sided match. Who dominates will all depend on who gets to their goal first. matt would be smart to keep it on their feet. I was watching a special on the best of hoyce gracie, he got the shit pounded out of him at 180lbs but a 250lb guy (forgot name). he spent most of his time on his back and ended the fight with a submission hold...WHILE ON HIS BACK. Yes matt has the power to ground and pound, but he would be better off using his strength on his feet. Hoyce is older now, could be past his prime but could say he has more years of practice and experience. If it goes to the ground, Hoyce has the fight. Stand up, matt all the way.
 
Anything can happen on a given night in any fight, but let me just say this again. Matt by BRUTAL Gnp (most likely elbows to Royces face) Can we put this up in the betting area or something. Lets ante up boys!!!
 
Msam -

That was Kimo , and he only weighed in at like 215 that night ... Or something , I remember the Weight Difference was more like 35 lbs than 50 , anyway .
 
Djimbe said:
Msam -

That was Kimo , and he only weighed in at like 215 that night ... Or something , I remember the Weight Difference was more like 35 lbs than 50 , anyway .
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Incorrect - Kimo weight 250 that night and Royce was 176 - the commetatotr (I think it is Jim Brown) even says "almost 75lbs difference"
 
hughes will probably win a decision, but he won't beat up royce on the ground. he might even catch hughes in a submission
 
Landospike said:
Gracie is going to have Hughes tapping so fast, people will think he's a hummingbird.
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Rrrrright cuz Hughes is gonna underestimate Royce Gracie's ground game... :p
 
I still just can't see it. People are focusing on how the UFC has changed and that Hughes fighting style is "better" for some reason. Hughes has never faced anyone like Gracie - maybe Penn, whom he could not overpower or slam(LOSS FOR HUGHES), but not even really Penn. Gracie is much better at sub's than Penn and Hughes will not be able to prevent it IMO. Gracie, on the other hand, has fought fighters like Hughes - Kimo, Dan Severn, several other outside UFC.... anyway my money, or in this case karma, is going to Mr.Gracie.
 
Hughes GNP=armbar by Royce
Hughes escapes armbar which sets up for the triangle and so on and on until Hughes gets caught...Hughes will have to knock Royce out pretty quick or Royce will be on him like a cheap suit.

I may be reading incorrectly here, but GNP does not 100% guarantee victory. There is an actual defense for it and ...OMG...an actual offense which springs from it as well. Heck, Royce might give Hughes the full-guard hoping Hughes GNPs like a nut, gases out, and BOOM....submission.

Yes, easy to say that here. ;)
 
megamania500 said:
I'm looking forward to this fight, too. But I'll bet that will be one of the more boring fights. I see it going the distance, with Hughes being in Royce's guard most of the time. The crowd will get weary of the stalemates, and start booing every time it goes back to the ground. Hughes will get the decision based on the fact that he will be the aggressor while Royce will just be defending himself from the ground. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a duplicate of Royce vs Ken Shamrock, where it stayed on the ground almost the whole time, and was boring to watch.
Hughes will be much too physically fit to run out of gas. And he's too experienced to make a dumb mistake that Royce can use against him. Royce, on the other hand, has enough fighting experience to deal with Hughes stand-up game. And on the ground, Royce has enough experience and know-how to not get submitted by either strikes or submission.
So as I said before, it will go the distance, with Hughes winning unanimous decision because he will do better when they stand. And Royce will stick to putting Hughes in his guard and defending from there, which will lose him points in the judges eyes since Hughes will be seen as being more the aggressor.
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Well, I was wrong. Royce got fucking mauled in there. Kinda signals an end of an era, which will be verified when Shamrock gets annihalated in July.
 
megamania500 said:
Well, I was wrong. Royce got fucking mauled in there. Kinda signals an end of an era, which will be verified when Shamrock gets annihalated in July.
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I agree 100%---end of an era. I just wish Royce had never, ever agreed to that fight. I would have like to have remembered him as a dominating badass that easily handled guys 100+ pounds over his weight.

I have no doubt Shamrock will put on a similar show.
 
Hughes will dominate, the fight won't be what it is built up to. Ufc need hughes to win for legacy reasons, there is more money to be made off him.
 
sfmonster said:
Hughes will dominate, the fight won't be what it is built up to. Ufc need hughes to win for legacy reasons, there is more money to be made off him.
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LOL a few days late with the prediction, dude.
 
MikeMartial said:
LOL a few days late with the prediction, dude.
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LMAO! Who the hell makes a prediction two days after the fight? lol. oh, shit!!!


zOh, well. At least your "prediction" was right on the money, right sfmonster? (mine wasn't)
 
sfmonster said:
Hughes will dominate, the fight won't be what it is built up to. Ufc need hughes to win for legacy reasons, there is more money to be made off him.
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now that's classic!!
 
sfmonster said:
Hughes will dominate, the fight won't be what it is built up to. Ufc need hughes to win for legacy reasons, there is more money to be made off him.
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lmao

I need this guy to pick my lotto numbers
 
Deltroit said:
Anything can happen on a given night in any fight, but let me just say this again. Matt by BRUTAL Gnp (most likely elbows to Royces face) Can we put this up in the betting area or something. Lets ante up boys!!!
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Its sucks being right oh....wait.....No, no it doesn't. Though I did think it was going to be elbows, I have to say I was supprised he gave up his back like that. Oh well Matt T'n off on the back of his skull was a brutal enough GnP but, I was really pulling for the Sub. So those of you who who said that Royce even had a shot I'm sure will be back here posting how wrong you were :)
 
Wow .
Im the only one that hates that BULLSHIT stoppage ?

I mean , dont get me wrong , I WANT to be able tohate ALLOVER Gracie , I want to be able to get in DEEP Sumo Stance , Gatehr up my Loincloth and release a Steaming Pile of Poi-Flavored dung ALL OVER his ass -

But I cant . He wasnt done . Its what he DOES , he gets slapped around for 14 minutes and subs the guy in the 15th then gets dragged to the Hospital by his brothers ! Is this NEWS ? And he WAS defending himself - from the CHOKE . He thought that more Important than the ten lil punches he had hitting his gloves , so BFD ! I wanted to see him UNCONSCIOUS , or Submitted . Neither thing happened , and he was hit less than you would get hit in the first round of a Boxing match by someone who couldnt MAKE it through the frst Round of a Boxing match with a Pro .
 
Djimbe said:
Wow .
Im the only one that hates that BULLSHIT stoppage ?

I mean , dont get me wrong , I WANT to be able tohate ALLOVER Gracie , I want to be able to get in DEEP Sumo Stance , Gatehr up my Loincloth and release a Steaming Pile of Poi-Flavored dung ALL OVER his ass -

But I cant . He wasnt done . Its what he DOES , he gets slapped around for 14 minutes and subs the guy in the 15th then gets dragged to the Hospital by his brothers ! Is this NEWS ? And he WAS defending himself - from the CHOKE . He thought that more Important than the ten lil punches he had hitting his gloves , so BFD ! I wanted to see him UNCONSCIOUS , or Submitted . Neither thing happened , and he was hit less than you would get hit in the first round of a Boxing match by someone who couldnt MAKE it through the frst Round of a Boxing match with a Pro .
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They stop fights so early now, it is ridiculous. If you even have 3 seconds where you may slightly appear in danger, they jump in.

Nate Quarry vs. Pete Sell was a classic example. Sell took a shot went down and immediately defended himself in the guard, but it was stopped prematurely. I know the UFC wants to go mainstream, but some of the stoppages are down right dissapointing.

Royce could have weathered the storm. He was in no danger of being knocked out. In the old UFC he would have been fine, but in today's UFC some hits to the back of your head equal knockout.
 
I loved the old school UFC days. Not sure who it was against, but I remember Dan Severn was kneeing the guy in the head for a good five minutes before the fight was stopped. Blood everywhere.
 
Djimbe said:
Wow .
Im the only one that hates that BULLSHIT stoppage ?

I mean , dont get me wrong , I WANT to be able tohate ALLOVER Gracie , I want to be able to get in DEEP Sumo Stance , Gatehr up my Loincloth and release a Steaming Pile of Poi-Flavored dung ALL OVER his ass -

But I cant . He wasnt done . Its what he DOES , he gets slapped around for 14 minutes and subs the guy in the 15th then gets dragged to the Hospital by his brothers ! Is this NEWS ? And he WAS defending himself - from the CHOKE . He thought that more Important than the ten lil punches he had hitting his gloves , so BFD ! I wanted to see him UNCONSCIOUS , or Submitted . Neither thing happened , and he was hit less than you would get hit in the first round of a Boxing match by someone who couldnt MAKE it through the frst Round of a Boxing match with a Pro .
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I was thinking the same thing. Royce would've weathered the storm and waited it out, then attempt to counter the first chance he got. In this case, it would've been after Hughes eventually stopped punching and tried something else. Royce would've been a bumpy, bloody mess by then, though I'm sure.
Thing is, though, is that the UFC has become more safety-conscious and Royce and the Gracie camp must've considered this coming in. They knew damn well if Royce got into a situation like that, he would have to respond immediately, otherwise take the chance getting a fight stoppage. And that's exactly what happened.
Interesting thing is, back in the earlier days of UFC, the better fighters wouldn't have expended energy striking like that simply because it won't lead to a KO, and will contribute to them tiring themselves out quicker. And there were no judges, so there wasn't any reason to try to score points by doing that.

Bottom line is, Gracie's fight game isn't suited for today's UFC.
 
i agree that some of the fights are stopped too soon.....and yes i would have loved to have seen royce end up a bloody pulp.....but you guys are nuts to think that his ass wasn't getting ko'd! there was not any weathering that storm. royce gave up his back and was fucked....PERIOD!
 
Ruca said:
i agree that some of the fights are stopped too soon.....and yes i would have loved to have seen royce end up a bloody pulp.....but you guys are nuts to think that his ass wasn't getting ko'd! there was not any weathering that storm. royce gave up his back and was fucked....PERIOD!
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Agreed. UFC has stopped many fights to soon (Arlovski vs Silvia 2 was a joke) Personally, I would have liked to seen Royce take a few more. I want fights to be decisive and clear cut which means KO or sub, but as Ruca said you are insane if you think he was going to recover from that. For Royce's sake I don't care if it was the 20th round he wasn't coming close to wining that fight. In this case its not that the number of punches was overwhelming it was that he was taking them to the back of the skull and this can be VERY dangerous. For this reason I'm sure the officials lean on the side of safety. And for those who think a no rules/no time limit fight would have been different just sub out those punches for elbows to the back of his skull and the result would have been much much worse.
 
IM sorry its HARD to change your insticts after DECADES of developing them , and Ive seen Royce himself weather worse and come out on top , all of us have . And IF he would have actually been KOED by those taps on the back of his head , well then THAT would have been fine by me . as it stands it just seems like first guy to get the other "In Danger" wins .
 
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