Whites Only Scholarship

[Dial_tone]

Whatcha think?

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0204/16whites.html


Bristol , R.I., -- A student group at Roger Williams University is offering a new scholarship for which only white students are eligible, a move they say is designed to protest affirmative action.

The application for the $250 award requires an essay on "why you are proud of your white heritage" and a recent picture to "confirm whiteness."

"Evidence of bleaching will disqualify applicants," says the application, issued by the university's College Republicans.

Jason Mattera, 20, who is president of the College Republicans, said the group is parodying minority scholarships.

"We think that if you want to treat someone according to character and how well they achieve academically, then skin color shouldn't really be an option," he said. "Many people think that coming from a white background you're automatically privileged, you're automatically rich and your parents pay full tuition. That's just not the case."

The stunt has angered some at the university, but the administration is staying out of the fray. The school's provost said it is a student group's initiative and is not endorsed by Roger Williams.

Mattera, who is of Puerto Rican descent, is himself a recipient of a $5,000 scholarship open only to a minority group.

"No matter what my ethnicity is, I'm making a statement that scholarships should be given out based on merit and need," Mattera told the Providence Journal.

His group took out a full-page ad in last week's issue of the university's student newspaper to tout the scholarship, which was for $50 until two donors came forward to add $100 each during the weekend, Mattera said.

It's not the first brush with controversy for the group. The school temporarily froze the Republicans' money in the fall during a fight over a series of articles published in its monthly newsletter. One article alleged that a gay-rights group indoctrinates students into homosexual sex.

 

[Deterass]

Why not?.............They have black only scholarships

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

IMO Scholarship's are the most racist thing going these days besides the black white racist!

 

[crew9]

I like it.

 

[Dial_tone]

You can't have it both ways, guys. Either race based scholarships are okay all the time or they're wrong all the time which is it?

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

You can't have it both ways, guys. Either race based scholarships are okay all the time or they're wrong all the time which is it?

Education should be free, period, end of story!

 

[from zero]

they're wrong all the time

Badabing.

 

[crew9]

You can't have it both ways, guys. Either race based scholarships are okay all the time or they're wrong all the time which is it?

I think that's kinda the point. Race based scholarships are going nowhere so why not stir up a little controversy by making this one.

 

[chewyxrage]

good idea.

 

[Delinquent]

Awesome idea

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

I'll bet that guy is fantastically popular on campus.

On my college campus there was an all black group that got funding from the student council to meet up and hang out. They also got their own building.

There was also an all Asian group that got the same deal, funding and their own house.

Sure enough, those of various descents got the same deal.

Except whites.
I always found that amusing.

That said - if I had really wanted to, I could have joined the all black club and they likely would have let me in - but they would have made it really uncomfortable for me.

We strive so hard to integrate, and things like this happen where the groups try to recreate the separation all over again.

Had I, or anyone else (and people did this), tried to get funding for an all white group and house, then there would be a huge uproar on campus.
And this was a very white campus.

Pretty much the only group that didn't have a house and funding were just regular white males. If they were gay, bi, trans, etc, then they had their club and funding.

I personally think it is all bullshit and should be based on merit. I would say need as well, but "need" is a very relative thing.
One of my good friends in school couldn't get need based scholarships because her family was just on the edge of the line. My family could get them, but not hers - and she had brothers and sisters, whereas I was an only child.

Oh well, human nature won't sit idle. Make one choice, people will complain. Make another one, people still complain.

 

[Apöllo]

Education should be free, period, end of story!

Oh No! You're gonna get those rich folks here bitching at you that nothings free!

 

[Dial_tone]

It's a bit ironic that the guy was on minority scholarship himself. If he really believed what he was saying he would have turned that $5K down.

 

[Apöllo]

It's a bit ironic that the guy was on minority scholarship himself. If he really believed what he was saying he would have turned that $5K down.

People are greedy and like to step on other's toes. I really wish there was a squad of hired rapists to ass fuck morons like this.

 

[WODIN]

Education should be free, period, end of story!

Well the funding mechanism should be similar to a property tax method used to fund public schools.

I do agree with your basic premise though that money should not be a deciding factor in wether or not someone has access to socalled higher education.

 

[PHATchik]

I don't agree with affirmative action. I think that a minority should be just as qualified as anyone else if they are going to get a job. It should be based on skills, not race. The same goes with all race based scholarships.

 

[Tiervexx]

Affirmative action is just plain wrong Period.

 

[the nature boy]

race related scholarships are wrong, but so is the whole legacy system as well. abolish both and you have a even playing field for all races.

 

[anabolicmd]

If we could just get rid of all the damn whites and blacks, wed have a pretty decent country up in here!

 

[Barak]

Qoute

It's a bit ironic that the guy was on minority scholarship himself. If he really believed what he was saying he would have turned that $5K down.

What he said

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Well the funding mechanism should be similar to a property tax method used to fund public schools.

I do agree with your basic premise though that money should not be a deciding factor in wether or not someone has access to socalled higher education.

I forgot, "And close the fucking boarders and keep jobs on US soil!"

 

[Razorguns]

Fucking about that.

Has ANYONE been in california yet? Lived in LA? Whites are the MINORITy here. How the hell can whites still be discriminated against, while blacks, asians, hispanics, etc. -- keep getting free money. That's bullshit.

I'm glad that scholarship is out, and hoepfully we'll start seeing white magazines, white awards shows, white leaders, etc. It's only fair. Hispanic this, Asian-American that, Black mistreatment, blah blah blah...

Now the 40% and growing of the US, will now see from the "other" side just how stupid it looks.

It's hard to be against affirmative action, when the government keeps handing you money.

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm in Los Angeles and whites are not the minority, at least where I am.

 

[deadandbloated]

I think the scholarships should go to whom ever is more qualified. It is only fare, he who tries the hardest should be rewarded regardless of race.

 

[lucidblue]

You can't have it both ways, guys. Either race based scholarships are okay all the time or they're wrong all the time which is it?

Agree.

 

[lucidblue]

I don't agree with affirmative action. I think that a minority should be just as qualified as anyone else if they are going to get a job. It should be based on skills, not race.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

race related scholarships are wrong, but so is the whole legacy system as well. abolish both and you have a even playing field for all races.

race related programs are going on at public schools, legacy is not.

legacy is used at private schools only, whicvh, as private schools, can do basicallly whatever they please.

Therein lies the difference.

 

[Longhorn85]

Education should be free, period, end of story!

Which tree does education grow on? The same one as "free" healthcare?

In answer to the thread, I think the guy made a good point. Instead of race-based scholarships maybe they should be need-based (economic).

 

[Razorguns]

i live in long beach. if you add up the "minorities" ie: asians, hispanics, blacks -- they outnumber the whites big time.

 

[Dial_tone]

As long as you're still the largest SINGLE group, calling whites a minority is a stretch of epic proportions.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Well the funding mechanism should be similar to a property tax method used to fund public schools.

Yes, because we haven't burdened the American family enough with the miserable failure that is public education.

I do agree with your basic premise though that money should not be a deciding factor in wether or not someone has access to socalled higher education.

Of course, because we all know that one's very existence implies the right to claim other's services. By what reason can one deny the demands of those who have wants?

 

[atlantabiolab]

Is this scholarship not privately donated? If this is true, then I have no care how it is distributed, since it is done by the free action of those who established it. If black organizations do this, they have every right to do so. The only issue I have is public funds and regulatory measures used for such select purposes.

 

[the nature boy]

race related programs are going on at public schools, legacy is not.

legacy is used at private schools only, whicvh, as private schools, can do basicallly whatever they please.

Therein lies the difference.

wrong.

http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2004/01/20040115_a_main.asp

http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/2...ls.May.See.Legacy.Admissions.End-594252.shtml

 

[Dial_tone]

Well the funding mechanism should be similar to a property tax method used to fund public schools.

Wouldn't this mean more scholarships in areas that are well-to-do and less in poor areas? That seems at odds with your next statement that money should not be a deciding factor.

I do agree with your basic premise though that money should not be a deciding factor in wether or not someone has access to socalled higher education.

 

[Apöllo]

I forgot, "And close the fucking boarders and keep jobs on US soil!"

Now you're gonna get yelled at for not letting Americans get better jobs because the Chinese take all the shitty ones.

 

[collegiateLifter]

race related programs are going on at public schools, legacy is not.

legacy is used at private schools only, whicvh, as private schools, can do basicallly whatever they please.

Therein lies the difference.

Therein, private schools can then do affirmative action if they so choose.

To avoid hypocrisy, you can't allow racism without allowing nepotism.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Is this scholarship not privately donated? If this is true, then I have no care how it is distributed, since it is done by the free action of those who established it. If black organizations do this, they have every right to do so. The only issue I have is public funds and regulatory measures used for such select purposes.

Personally I take issue with hypocrisy....

Yes, because we haven't burdened the American family enough with the miserable failure that is public education.

Lol well I'm kind of with ABL on this one. I think that (presumably) kids should have 'free' from k-12 but after that you have to find your own way though things.

FYI for people arguing for Free college should look at the many problems in Europe. England's having trouble and even Germany is starting to have a few private schools.

 

[BucNateR]

DT,

I'm going to bed cause it's 1230 here and I want to do am cardio, but, I'll ask this question and see how you respond tomorrow....

Are you of the mindset that minorities shouldn't get "special treatment"? It seems many of the "successful" people that are minority are of that mindset....basically, that by getting special treatment, they are adding to "keeping their race down or below" the white race...

I am a white male and I know I have it good, probably too good. I'd hate for myself to be offered a scholarship because of my race when a person in another race with a better GPA/SAT score, would not...so, I am not for any kind of race-related benefit, but, who's to say I would not feel this way if I were african-american, hispanic, native-american, or other...to be honest, I'm not sure I'd feel the same way, probably depend on my upbringing and other factors.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

It's a bit ironic that the guy was on minority scholarship himself. If he really believed what he was saying he would have turned that $5K down.

yeah, he wouldn't be doing this if he wouldn't of gotten his scholarship.

When i fill out my FAFSA forms for the 04/05 school year, i'm checking "Other" for race and i'm writing in "Green and Purple." that should help out.

People are greedy and like to step on other's toes. I really wish there was a squad of hired rapists to ass fuck morons like this.

not only to assrape them, but it needs to be done with splintery 4x4s.

Now you're gonna get yelled at for not letting Americans get better jobs because the Chinese take all the shitty ones.

what he said.

 

[Buddy_Christ]

forgot to add...

for the box marked "Sex," i'm crossing out M and F and entering "Gay," even though i'm not. a green and purple gay applying for financial aid should get a decent chunk of free money, right? i mean, i might as fucking well, cause the color of your skin seems to determine too much anymore thanks to affirmative action, which i believe creates more racism than it tries to destroy.

 

[Apöllo]

FYI for people arguing for Free college should look at the many problems in Europe. England's having trouble and even Germany is starting to have a few private schools.

In my view earning your way into college is a great character builder. Perhaps rather than dolling out free money to ANYONE, we should be pushing for more service work out of these students.

I pay for my own school. I am a "minority" and I recieve nothing for it. The only grants I've ever gotten was one from my church (GO METHODISTS!) and two from the Advertising Association for my portfoilo of work. Other than that, it's cash and loans.

 

[Longhorn85]

I am a "minority" and I recieve nothing for it. The only grants I've ever gotten was one from my church (GO METHODISTS!)

Do you belong to the NAAWP? (National Association of the Advancement of WASP People)

 

[Apöllo]

Do you belong to the NAAWP? (National Association of the Advancement of WASP People)

Actually the Honky Tonk Gentlemens Club

 

[Longhorn85]

Actually the Honky Tonk Gentlemens Club

That is definitely a minority if not an oxymoron.

 

[ChefWide]

race related programs are going on at public schools, legacy is not.

legacy is used at private schools only, whicvh, as private schools, can do basicallly whatever they please.

Therein lies the difference.

Private schools SHOULD do whatever they please. I like that. Private clubs too. You dont like blacks? jews? women? whites? democrats? homosexuals? then dont let them in.

Oh, small detail. IF you take advantage of a single tax break, public service or benefit in any way from ANY public tax dollars or government assisitance of any kind, then excluding ANYONE is NOT ok.

Thats fair, isn't it?

 

[Longhorn85]

IF you take advantage of a single tax break, public service or benefit in any way from ANY public tax dollars or government assisitance of any kind, then excluding ANYONE is NOT ok.

Thats fair, isn't it?

Fair enough. If you think the following organizations should be disbanded or lose federal support:

Girl Scouts
Boy Scouts
Battered Women's Shelters
Boy's Clubs
Girl's Clubs
Rape Crisis Centers
School for the Blind

 

[ChefWide]

Fair enough. If you think the following organizations should be disbanded or lose federal support:

Girl Scouts
Boy Scouts
Battered Women's Shelters
Boy's Clubs
Girl's Clubs
Rape Crisis Centers
School for the Blind

Nice twist, but clarify a few things for me:

Do you equate the idea of only sight impaired people going to a School for the Blind, with a Publicly funded after school program that doesn't allow black kids to enter because they are black?

Do you think that battered women's shelters fall into the same jurisdiction as exclusionist religious based clubs that receive public funds?

Explain why you list 'rape crisis' centers? Did you know that rape crisis centers are on call for men as well? They also assist the whole family when a rape has occured?

For what possible reason did you lump Boys/Girls Clubs of America into that list (they are part of the same organization, by the way)? That they exclude people based on age? The Boy/Girl scouts fall under a combined governing body as well. How do they exclude anyone?

I think sometimes you post things like that quoted above just to be argumentative. Could you maybe answer my questions above, I would like to know why you listed the oragizations you chose.

I will say it again: you can have any kind of closed club/organization you like, just not with my money.

 

[Apöllo]

I think sometimes you post things like that quoted above just to be argumentative. Could you maybe answer my questions above, I would like to know why you listed the oragizations you chose.

I actually think there are select handful of members here that continue to post responses simply for the sake of argument; not caring whether or not they are making a clear point.

It's unfortunate, but people will be people I suppose.

 

[Razorguns]

what about racism within minority groups.

Why should ONE balck student, pay his way for college. Earn his way through high SAT scores. While another black student, gets PAID to go to college, enters witha LOWER sat score and is given the red carpet treatment.

Both grew up and lived in the same neighbourhood. One busted his ASS to get the marks. The other dealed drugs, stole cars, and partied and lived the life.

So what are we saying. Do the right thing, work your ass off -- and get rewarded by getting nothing. Don't do the right thing -- and the government will reward you.

Fucked up I tell ya. One reason I left Canada. I got SICK of stupid illegal somalians and immigrants coming to canada, and immediately getting free educationa nd other bullshit. WTF? What kind of discrimination bullshit is that. I worked my ass off, got high marks - but i gotta pay for college cuz i'm not from somalia and i grew up here.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Private schools SHOULD do whatever they please. I like that. Private clubs too. You dont like blacks? jews? women? whites? democrats? homosexuals? then dont let them in.

Oh, small detail. IF you take advantage of a single tax break, public service or benefit in any way from ANY public tax dollars or government assisitance of any kind, then excluding ANYONE is NOT ok.

Thats fair, isn't it?

Not in all your cases. A tax "break" is not by definition receiving the "public" tax dollars, is it? If I receive a "break" on my taxes, am I receiving the "public's" assistance? Only if you are a socialist do you belief this tripe.

If the organization receives money that it did not generate through its own efforts or receives a service that it does not pay for through normal taxation, then yes, we agree.

 

[Pamela]

Which tree does education grow on?

The tree that studies the hardest.

And the one's that are qualified the most.

 

[ChefWide]

Not in all your cases. A tax "break" is not by definition receiving the "public" tax dollars, is it? If I receive a "break" on my taxes, am I receiving the "public's" assistance? Only if you are a socialist do you belief this tripe.

If the organization receives money that it did not generate through its own efforts or receives a service that it does not pay for through normal taxation, then yes, we agree.

Paragraph one: right. Bad choice of words on my part.

Paragraph two: alert the media, we agree.

 

[rnch]

I don't agree with affirmative action. I think that a minority should be just as qualified as anyone else if they are going to get a job. It should be based on skills, not race.

not according to the largerst employer in this country, the federal government. at the agency i am employed at, pale males are the "minority".

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Therein, private schools can then do affirmative action if they so choose.

To avoid hypocrisy, you can't allow racism without allowing nepotism.

Private schoopls can establish whatever criteria they want. Whatever they want. White only, black only, whatever they want. Hence private. Silly goose.

As for public schools practicing legacy admissions, it is as wrong as affirmative action.

I don't believe in public schools though, so...well, I am pretty consistent on this one.

 

[SlavikHavik]

i think its great, its about time somebody did something like that.

 

[Dial_tone]

The legacy system has already been mentioned but:

"If there is a minority scholarship, why isn't there a Caucasian scholarship?" and there is a simple answer: there are hundreds (heck, thousands!) of them. They are sponsored by Chambers of Commerce in majority white communities, American Legion and VFW Posts with mostly white membership, fraternal organizations comprised of white people, churches in denominations that are almost exclusively white (the neighborhood churches on Sunday morning are among the most segregated institutions in America!) and many other organizations. Their scholarships are aimed at residents of white communities, the children of overwhelmingly white memberships, high achievers in schools that are almost entirely white, etc. In addition, most American colleges and universities have a special affirmative action program that benefits white people highly disproportionately - it's called the 'legacy preference.'

 

[the nature boy]

that is why I mentioned the legacy thing.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

If the legacy stuff goes on at public schools, as demonstarted in Nature Boy's link, then it's as wrong as all this pro-minority bullshit.

 

[Dial_tone]

Interesting side note - membership in the Daughters of the American Revolution Society (which claims to have members of all races and ethnic backgrounds) is open to:

Any woman 18 years or older, regardless of race, religion, or ethnic background, who can prove lineal descent from a patriot of the American Revolution, is eligible for membership. DAR defines a "patriot" as one who provided service or direct assistance in achieving America's independence.

Wonder how a black person would go about proving that? I don't think our records at City Hall are going to go back that far.

 

[Dial_tone]

i think its great, its about time somebody did something like that.

So in other words fairness is determined by whether it benefits YOUR group or not? Black scholarships are wrong but this one is okay because it helps a white person.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Interesting side note - membership in the Daughters of the American Revolution Society (which claims to have members of all races and ethnic backgrounds) is open to:




Wonder how a black person would go about proving that? I don't think our records at City Hall are going to go back that far.

Isn't DAR private?

 

[Code]

Most are by default, since the school system leans heavily against the non-white demographic.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

So in other words fairness is determined by whether it benefits YOUR group or not? Black scholarships are wrong but this one is okay because it helps a white person.

either is wrong at a public school. I think most of us agree.....

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

the funny thing is, a LARGE majority of need-based scholarships is given to minorities. most minority-only scholarships, for the most part, are wholly unnecessary for providing academic opportunities to the under-privileged. it is a fact that minorities are on average poorer than whites. for this reason, giving need-based scholarships/financial aid naturally covers minorities. but purely race determined scholarships only reinforce the social division between whites and minorities. i personally can think of quite a few examples of very well-to-do minority students receiving minority scholarships, which does nothing to provide opportunities to the people who really need it. a school giving out money based soley on the color of students' skin is absurd and ineffective.

on the other hand, race based scholarships given by a private race-related organization are fine. they serve the purpose of uniting an ethnicity and spreading a pride of one's roots. private organizations have the right to use their money as they please.


the conservative club at my university conducted an interesting social experiment recently concerning affirmative action:
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/02/06/4023633e90997?in_archive=1

 

[Dial_tone]

either is wrong at a public school. I think most of us agree.....

I've seen a few responses that indicate not everyone is making that distinction.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I've seen a few responses that indicate not everyone is making that distinction.

because people are dumb.

What can i tell you? No help for anyone at anything taxpayer funded. Just take the "race" box off of the application.

 

[Longhorn85]

Nice twist, but clarify a few things for me:

Do you equate the idea of only sight impaired people going to a School for the Blind, with a Publicly funded after school program that doesn't allow black kids to enter because they are black?

Do you think that battered women's shelters fall into the same jurisdiction as exclusionist religious based clubs that receive public funds?

Explain why you list 'rape crisis' centers? Did you know that rape crisis centers are on call for men as well? They also assist the whole family when a rape has occured?

For what possible reason did you lump Boys/Girls Clubs of America into that list (they are part of the same organization, by the way)? That they exclude people based on age? The Boy/Girl scouts fall under a combined governing body as well. How do they exclude anyone?

I think sometimes you post things like that quoted above just to be argumentative. Could you maybe answer my questions above, I would like to know why you listed the oragizations you chose.

I will say it again: you can have any kind of closed club/organization you like, just not with my money.

You know exactly why I listed those organizations. If you don't like those examples I wrote in haste, I can think of many, many more. The point is clear: there are many federally-funded organizations that have exclusionary memberships. Your stance is that you personally must approve of it's function before it should receive tax money, and that is not going to happen.

 

[Hengst]

The only solution is to eliminate all forms of affirmative action. In schools, governmental organizations, public and private business.... everywhere.

Affirmative action has profound effects on individuals' thinking that goes way beyond the obvious. Because of Affrimative Action, I question the abilities of EVERY black man and woman that I come in contact with that is in position of authority. I ask myself......... is this person ~really~ the most qualified? From cops to bank tellers to the woman behind the counter at the DMV.

This is the true legacy of Affirmative Action. And for those minority folks who TRULY work hard, are intelligent, responsible and have EARNED their position are the real losers. Their efforts are not recognized nor rewarded.

Then the next question is........ When WILL Affrimative Action end? European-decendant Americans will be less than 50% of the population in the US within a few decades. Will the then colored majority vote to recind the privilages and benefits the former white majority gave to them? I highly doubt it. Most likely they will begin to excellerate the stripping of financial assets of the white folks. One only needs to look at Zimbabwe to get a glimps of the future of America when the european-decendant americans loose control of the country. South Africa is next and as soon as Mandela dies there will be an ethnic cleaning of the whites there.

If you want an example closer to home, one only needs to look at Detroit.

Long term health and viability of the USA, as we know it today, is in serious jeapordy.

 

[ChefWide]

You know exactly why I listed those organizations. If you don't like those examples I wrote in haste, I can think of many, many more. The point is clear: there are many federally-funded organizations that have exclusionary memberships. Your stance is that you personally must approve of it's function before it should receive tax money, and that is not going to happen.

Wrong.

Read again, my statements were perfectly clear: In America you SHOULD be allowed to have whatever racist stupid club you want, and have whatever close-minded idiotic policies regarding membership you want. I 100% percent agree with your right to have that and govern it as you please. I have actively fought for your right to do so my entire life. It is imperative that that right be maintained and it applies to every situation that does not violate the law (hate groups or groups that incite violence are excluded based upon such laws). This kind of freedom is one of the cornerstones of what makes America great.

My statements, when read and understood, have NOTHING whatsoever to do with my personal approval, nor did that ever come into the conversation.

I DO know exactly why you listed those organizations. Because your grip on the subject is tenuous at best.

Haste?!?! ALL of your examples sucked. They were ALL wrong and you need to come up with some real examples of what you are talking about to at least have the APPEARANCE that your argument that has any merit. I challenged you to explain the choices you made, so please do so. Are you unable to do that? Or just embarrassed when your choices are shown to have no relevance to the topic?

As I assume that you will again avoid defending your non-sensicle choices as you cant defend them: they are wrong. This avoidance in mind, I would take you up on your offer and say yes, please take a moment and show me "many, many more" examples. I really don't think your up to it.


edit: sent you a PM with this post link, just so you won't miss out on the opportunity for a fair response. fairs fair.

 

[Sir-Que]

Because of Affrimative Action, I question the abilities of EVERY black man and woman that I come in contact with that is in position of authority. I ask myself......... is this person ~really~ the most qualified? From cops to bank tellers to the woman behind the counter at the DMV.

Ummm no it's not because of Affirmative Action you question them it's because your a racist who don't like blacks as a race to begin with so spare us with the BS.

Thing is......this is not about Affirmative Action at all it's the bigger picture. You question the abilities of a black in any position cause plain and simple YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM. You think they are inferior and don't want to look at them or interact with them. Anyplace you go,work,shopping mall etc, you would like it to be NEGRO FREE.

YOU'D QUESTION THE ABILITIES OF BLACKS BEFORE YOU QUESTION THE ABILITIES OF WHITES WHO FUCK UP IN EPIC PROPORTIONS ROUTINELY WORLDWIDE??........SAY'S ALOT

You like alot of WHITES on this borad SEEM to be threatened by blacks in any facet (from Bodybuilders and so on) and anything you can think of to stick it to them you'll do it. "Blacks are inferior and they should not attain anything close to what I can attain"

I have absolutely no respect for people who whine about a game that's never been played fair. Particularly those who are whining about a the magical system they've created to keep THEM ahead and somehow they feel the potion is wearing off.

I have no problem with bigots and racist. In America you are afforded the right to think and feel as you choose long as no laws or civil liberties are broken. I do however have a problem with people who lie about who they are and their true motive and won't admit it.

And to set the record straight i'm not a Democrate and I don't necessarily believe in Affirmative Action. I don't think the people in power (unsupervised) will do the right thing,period. ie I DON'T TRUST WHITE FOLKS and I can admit THAT.

SQ-

 

[Hengst]

Affirmative Action is a well-planned government hate crime and race war against the white population, it is a government tool of dispossession of the whites. Simple as that. PERIOD.

And for your information, Mr. Sir-Que, I do not hate black individuals. I hate the destructive effects of black culture on white society. The truth is black society is not capable of creating a sustainable civilization. And the world would be a better place if you all stopped trying to tear down the goose that's laying YOUR golden egg.

EVERYTHING, yes, EVERYTHING you use in your life was created by those evil white devils. Did you know sub-sahara africa could not even develop the wheel befor the evil white man came? How about a written language? Not one single sub-saharan african society had a written language. Name me ONE black country that is stable, safe, predominantly middle class......... South Africa is quickly losing that status as the white folk are marginalized. How about Haiti? They've been free of colonial domination for 200 years, what's their excuse?

And don't go on about slavery. The Africans themselves sold their brethren into slavery. Slavery was an already established economic concern when the europeans arrived and it contiunues today. The Europeans came looking for spices and when the local tribal chiefs offered up people instead, they took the offer.

And I'm not threatened by black people. BUT, Black people WANT to threaten me. i.e. I DONT TRUST BLACK FOLK.

 

[Hengst]

Ummm no it's not because of Affirmative Action you question them it's because your a racist who don't like blacks as a race to begin with so spare us with the BS.

It's funny, I was born in all white Iowa and grew up in all white neighborhoods in NY and NJ. I didn't see a black person until I was in 8th grade. I was taught to believe we were created equal, that racism was evil, that black people are the way they are because of poverty and the lingering effects of a racist society, and so on.

It was my interaction with black society as an adult that opened my eyes to the lies I was taught. We are NOT created equal. Poverty does not cause crime and black folk perpetuate the racist society in order to hide the truth of their collective ineptitude. It's easier to blame the white man than accept responsibility.

I've become anti-multiculturalist.

 

[Hengst]

If I had stayed in an all white area I probably would still be a why-can't-we-just-get-along-lemming/liberal. But I've rejected the Politically Correct bullshit and white guilt that's been shoved down our throats in the US since the 1960's.

There are more and more people like me that are refusing to be shouted down by specious arguments from people like you. And if calling me a racist makes you feel better, and perhaps superior, then go a head and do it, I'm just a guy that's tired of the bull shit and not afraid to call a spade, black.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Affirmative Action is a well-planned government hate crime and race war against the white population, it is a government tool of dispossession of the whites. Simple as that. PERIOD.

And for your information, Mr. Sir-Que, I do not hate black individuals. I hate the destructive effects of black culture on white society. The truth is black society is not capable of creating a sustainable civilization. And the world would be a better place if you all stopped trying to tear down the goose that's laying YOUR golden egg.

EVERYTHING, yes, EVERYTHING you use in your life was created by those evil white devils. Did you know sub-sahara africa could not even develop the wheel befor the evil white man came? How about a written language? Not one single sub-saharan african society had a written language. Name me ONE black country that is stable, safe, predominantly middle class......... South Africa is quickly losing that status as the white folk are marginalized. How about Haiti? They've been free of colonial domination for 200 years, what's their excuse?

And don't go on about slavery. The Africans themselves sold their brethren into slavery. Slavery was an already established economic concern when the europeans arrived and it contiunues today. The Europeans came looking for spices and when the local tribal chiefs offered up people instead, they took the offer.

And I'm not threatened by black people. BUT, Black people WANT to threaten me. i.e. I DONT TRUST BLACK FOLK.

It is a good thing that you are trying to think but Your thoughts do not rule out whites and blacks being equals, and when they rolled the dice, the whites by and large got the good rolls, and the blacks got some bad ones.

Its a very abstract idea though...

 

[Razorguns]

Yeah BEST way to promote equality among races, is give benefits to SOME races.

Who comes up with these stupid policies??? Jesus.

What next. Blacks should pay less income tax?

 

[Dial_tone]

EVERYTHING, yes, EVERYTHING you use in your life was created by those evil white devils.

Since we're on a board discussing, among other things, anabolic steroids I'm happy to report that a black man invented the first disposable syringe.

(Phil Brooks, patented in 1974)


If you want more the list is actually quite extensive.

http://inventors.about.com/cs/blackinventors/

 

[collegiateLifter]

Not in all your cases. A tax "break" is not by definition receiving the "public" tax dollars, is it? If I receive a "break" on my taxes, am I receiving the "public's" assistance? Only if you are a socialist do you belief this tripe.

It may be convenient for you to think this but that by no means makes it true.

Such an argument hides behind legal definitions attempting to look at them in a vacuum and reject any utilitarian analysis.

Such an argument is analagous to a person that is for free-trade at the international level being against tarriffs but not subsidies. Because technically tariffs are a barrier between country A trading with country B but subsidies by definition do not errect a barrier between the two and thus are not to be considered.

there may be an allowable relevant range by which some organizations receive tax breaks for things not related to their promotion of religious, racial, etc qualities but this is a matter of specifics of an entirely different matter not principle.


The fact of the matter is that the symptoms and effects are virtually the same as technical public assistance, when company A gets taxed at 10% whereas company B gets taxed at 70% compared to company A being heavily subsidized and company B not. Both cases allow the governement to show favoritism to A and manipulate competition over the long term so that it is in favor of A. Tax breaks may be a "back door" method but nevertheless should be in the same cateogory as other forms of 'public assistance.'

 

[BO-DEN]

i think its great, its about time somebody did something like that.

my mother is slavik

she is white and went to morgan state univ. on an all white scholarship about 8 years ago truth is they have been around just as long as the all black scholarships.....

and white person can get a scholarship like this in a majority black school

BO-DEN

 

[Synpax]

Education should be free, period, end of story!

Nothing is free.

 

[Code]

I think all scholarships should only be for whites.

 

[BO-DEN]

I think all scholarships should only be for whites.

my mothers white how about me?

 

[Sir-Que]

And I'm not threatened by black people. BUT, Black people WANT to threaten me. i.e. I DONT TRUST BLACK FOLK.

Let's see here.....

Affirmative Action is a well-planned government hate crime and race war against the white population, it is a government tool of dispossession of the whites. Simple as that. PERIOD.

EVERYTHING, yes, EVERYTHING you use in your life was created by those evil white devils. Did you know sub-sahara africa could not even develop the wheel befor the evil white man

...oh really....

And don't go on about slavery. The Africans themselves sold their brethren into slavery. Slavery was an already established economic concern when the europeans arrived and it contiunues today. The Europeans came looking for spices and when the local tribal chiefs offered up people instead, they took the offer.

...and at last the best reason to oppose Affirmative Action "THE BLACKS WERE SLAVES"............

OK i'm done here thanks for making my point though i'm done with this..........

SQ-

 

[BO-DEN]

If I had stayed in an all white area I probably would still be a why-can't-we-just-get-along-lemming/liberal. But I've rejected the Politically Correct bullshit and white guilt that's been shoved down our throats in the US since the 1960's.

There are more and more people like me that are refusing to be shouted down by specious arguments from people like you. And if calling me a racist makes you feel better, and perhaps superior, then go a head and do it, I'm just a guy that's tired of the bull shit and not afraid to call a spade, black.

i got $50 bucks says he caught his girlfriend of 3 years fucking a BLACK dude

LMAO

burn thoes niggers soilder!!

LMAO... try starting with me.... LMAO

BO-DEN

 

[Dial_tone]

Well Hengst, if all that anger gets you thru the day then have at it.

by the way I'm fuckin the daylights outta the girl in my avatar.

 

[BO-DEN]

he siad something about we arnt. created equal.... i hope hes not refering to genetics

id love to see pictures of this aryan freak.

cause my genetics aint no average ones

 

[ChefWide]

Hengst= Timothy McVeigh

I didn't know you can post from down there.

 

[Pamela]

I can't believe that one race should get more than the other race.



Everyone should be the same. The more you give people the more they want for free. If you have to work for it; it means more to you.

 

[Robert Jan]

 

[Hengst]

i got $50 bucks says he caught his girlfriend of 3 years fucking a BLACK dude

LMAO

burn thoes niggers soilder!!

LMAO... try starting with me.... LMAO

BO-DEN

This made me laugh.

 

[Hengst]

he siad something about we arnt. created equal.... i hope hes not refering to genetics

id love to see pictures of this aryan freak.

cause my genetics aint no average ones

You proved my point, we are not created equal. and I do mean genetically. some are smarter some are stronger, some are dumber some are weaker.

We are however, supposed to be equal under the law. Affirmative Action negates that principle.

 

[Hengst]

Since we're on a board discussing, among other things, anabolic steroids I'm happy to report that a black man invented the first disposable syringe.

(Phil Brooks, patented in 1974)


If you want more the list is actually quite extensive.

http://inventors.about.com/cs/blackinventors/

I can't believe you dredged up that feel good site for black inventors. I'm not going to try to take away the rightfully earned achievments of any person, but that black inventor site is full of revisionist crap.

 

[Dial_tone]

I can't believe that one race should get more than the other race.

Believe it....it's been a fact of life since the day we got here.

 

[Longhorn85]

My statements, when read and understood, have NOTHING whatsoever to do with my personal approval, nor did that ever come into the conversation.

We agree that hate groups and such should not receive money. That is easy. It is much more difficult to draw the line in other cases. The examples I used are obviously deserving of aid, but it points out the slppery slope you go down when you make statements like you did, saying that any federally-funded group must be open to all. It is not realistic.

Therefore someone has to make a judgement call in many cases. Who do you think that should be? I say keep it in the hands of the community most affected.

So if there is an organization dedicated exclusively to the betterment of young black boys in Michigan (there is), and the folks of Michigan don't have a problem with it, leave it alone.

 

[ChefWide]

We agree that hate groups and such should not receive money. That is easy. It is much more difficult to draw the line in other cases. The examples I used are obviously deserving of aid, but it points out the slppery slope you go down when you make statements like you did, saying that any federally-funded group must be open to all. It is not realistic.

Therefore someone has to make a judgement call in many cases. Who do you think that should be? I say keep it in the hands of the community most affected.

So if there is an organization dedicated exclusively to the betterment of young black boys in Michigan (there is), and the folks of Michigan don't have a problem with it, leave it alone.

Fine. I see no need to call you out and demand that you stand by the limp examples you gave ('deserving of aid' how about the more accurate 'deserving of ridicule'), and I will take your obviously toned down demeanor and general pleasantness as a wave of a white flag of sorts.

Yes, it should remain in the hands of the community: not the black or white comunity but the small local governments that should be running most of this country. I will maintain, however, that if the charter of a given group does not specificly define its course as one that pertains only to a select target group (Young Black Kids Group: self explanitory) then exclusionary activities should not be funded by our collective tax dollars. Ex: Rockridge Boys Club, No Jews or Blacks need apply.

And see here, you:

It really pisses me off when you take the time to present well thought out replies. I prefer it when you are the knee-jerk neo-con talk show parroting jack boot wearing psychopath that your usual off the cuff posts paint you to be. I would appreciate it if you wouldnt make any more intelligent posts, of which I am not that worried, but should it become a habbit, I might actually start to like you and that would invalidate my entire past life.

So please next time just answer with whatever pops into your head first, its much more fun that way.

(shhhh.... PLEASE dont tell anyone that we almost aggreed on this, my Liberal Cred would never recover)

 

[Longhorn85]

I will take your obviously toned down demeanor and general pleasantness as a wave of a white flag of sorts.

Don't mistake civility for surrender. I feel I won this argument. At any rate, I think you equate conservative with angry, and that is not the case.

I enjoy debate and believe in what I say. I get enthusiastic sometimes, it shouldn't be taken offensively.

BTW, the most recent public displays of ideological expression in anger come compliments of ultra-libs Al Gore and Howard Dean.

 

[ChefWide]

Don't mistake civility for surrender. I feel I won this argument. At any rate, I think you equate conservative with angry, and that is not the case.

I enjoy debate and believe in what I say. I get enthusiastic sometimes, it shouldn't be taken offensively.

BTW, the most recent public displays of ideological expression in anger come compliments of ultra-libs Al Gore and Howard Dean.

Wrong again and most unfortunately so.

You see, I called you out. Directly.

CHALLENGED you to back up your child like examples and make sense out of completely misunderstanding my post. You came back with some limp dishrag comment about your examples being in need of some 'aid'. Knowing that you would cower away from my slaughter of your sophomoric attempt at rejoinder, I suggested you make some concrete examples available, of which you had, in your words, 'many, many' at your immediate disposal, and you dished up some local boys club??!? You embarrass yourself.

After naming specifics that were obviously pulled out of the wrong hat, you fail completely to save face by using a flaccid generalization. You were challenged twice, and twice you turned tail and ran.

For a moment there, you almost earned my respect until you mistook my good natured attempt to spare you the further humiliation of calling attention to your cowardly and total avoidance of my direct challenges to you.

You sir, do not have the class or social presence to tip your hat when you have been bested.

Now, I say again as clearly as is possible: Come forward with your promised explanations and solid examples of real world programs as I demanded you do in the first place, or consider yourself a coward and, to opt an EF mot juste, ‘owned’.

 

[SlavikHavik]

So in other words fairness is determined by whether it benefits YOUR group or not? Black scholarships are wrong but this one is okay because it helps a white person.

haha what?

Dial tone your making up teams in your mind.

Dont try and think about who i agree with in this thread.

But read what i said

I never said Scholarships for blacks were a bad idea or unfair.

 

[the nature boy]

Come forward with your promised explanations and solid examples of real world programs as I demanded you do in the first place,

good luck dude.

 

[Dial_tone]

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1355/19_96/57042470/p1/article.jhtml

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I agree with scholarships for whites 100%.

I mean if there are scholarships for other skin colors, whites should be treated the same. united whitey college fund!! woohoo Im IN!!

also I thinnk I got post 100!!