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When was it official that Dbol was only to be used to "jumpstart" a cycle?
- Thread starter Jenetic
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err i dont know if im off topic but nevertheless im runnin 25mg of dbol (4th day)and i have been developing strong headaches and an upset stomach is this normal on dbol?
i take 10mg in the mornnig 10mg afternoon and 5mg before bedtime
my cycle is 500mg sust 8wk 200mg deca 8wk and 25mg dbol 5wk
thanks for helping
i take 10mg in the mornnig 10mg afternoon and 5mg before bedtime
my cycle is 500mg sust 8wk 200mg deca 8wk and 25mg dbol 5wk
thanks for helping
DMI
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I have an old friend, and by old I mean old(!) a life long juicer in NYC who started in his mid 20s and is now 74. He says that back in the 70's and 80's, his doc would prescribe him and his buddies DBol and it was not uncommon for them to stay on 50mg ed for 6 months plus, and in some cases years at a time.
Jenetic has raised an issue here that's been on my mind somewhat too.
The so called "instant gains" are mostly in the form of water retention (with a little strength,) and I have found that my best gains through DBol have been through using over 8 weeks plus. I have often used orals over long durations, along with liver protectants which include ALA, R-ALA, Liver Care by Himmalaya Healthcare and Tyler's Detoxication factors and my liver values are excellent, even when drinking like a fish.
It is important to take your armidex / aromasin etc to keep off the water retention. My blood pressure always directly correlates to the amount of water I am holding so I keep a close eye on this and even use a little spironalactone if necessary. The 10mg Nolva ed suggested my Jenetic is a good idea to keep your HDL and LDL in check, especially seeing as armidex can have a slight negative impact on cholesterol.
I too feel the notion of just using DBol to "jumpstart" a cycle is no more than an idea. It's not necessarily a bad idea, but certainly not the only way to use DBol!
DMI
Jenetic has raised an issue here that's been on my mind somewhat too.
The so called "instant gains" are mostly in the form of water retention (with a little strength,) and I have found that my best gains through DBol have been through using over 8 weeks plus. I have often used orals over long durations, along with liver protectants which include ALA, R-ALA, Liver Care by Himmalaya Healthcare and Tyler's Detoxication factors and my liver values are excellent, even when drinking like a fish.
It is important to take your armidex / aromasin etc to keep off the water retention. My blood pressure always directly correlates to the amount of water I am holding so I keep a close eye on this and even use a little spironalactone if necessary. The 10mg Nolva ed suggested my Jenetic is a good idea to keep your HDL and LDL in check, especially seeing as armidex can have a slight negative impact on cholesterol.
I too feel the notion of just using DBol to "jumpstart" a cycle is no more than an idea. It's not necessarily a bad idea, but certainly not the only way to use DBol!
DMI
DMI
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Whilst waiting for a response from Jenetic:
ALA /R-ALA - 600-1000mg ed
Good multivitamin.
Tyler's Detoxication Factors 3-6 tabs ed depending on dosage of orals used.
Himmalaya Healthcare's Liver Care 3-6 tabs ed.
Vitamin E 1000-2000i.u ed.
Silymarin (milk thistle) 800/1000mg ed.
Personally I don't use silymarin or Liver Care from Himmalaya anymore, but this is an idea of a very complete Liver protection 'stack!'
DMI
ALA /R-ALA - 600-1000mg ed
Good multivitamin.
Tyler's Detoxication Factors 3-6 tabs ed depending on dosage of orals used.
Himmalaya Healthcare's Liver Care 3-6 tabs ed.
Vitamin E 1000-2000i.u ed.
Silymarin (milk thistle) 800/1000mg ed.
Personally I don't use silymarin or Liver Care from Himmalaya anymore, but this is an idea of a very complete Liver protection 'stack!'
DMI Texas Ranger
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DMI, what do you use for liver protection? Just ALA & Tyler's Detox?DMI said:Whilst waiting for a response from Jenetic:
ALA /R-ALA - 600-1000mg ed
Good multivitamin.
Tyler's Detoxication Factors 3-6 tabs ed depending on dosage of orals used.
Himmalaya Healthcare's Liver Care 3-6 tabs ed.
Vitamin E 1000-2000i.u ed.
Silymarin (milk thistle) 800/1000mg ed.
Personally I don't use silymarin or Liver Care from Himmalaya anymore, but this is an idea of a very complete Liver protection 'stack!'
Texas Ranger
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Alot of the older bodybuilders from 70's practically lived on Dbol and they produced some of the best physiques EVER. They didn't even have the use of Arimidex like we do. I've seen guys use Dbol with Arimidex while dieting with GREAT results!!Jenetic said:
BobbyJenious
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Anyone have thoughts on 8 weeks dbol followed by 8 weeks var?? Sounds a bit strange I know, just curios as to what the results would be if one started with a clean bulking diet and then went into a cutting phase???
hammertime30
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BobbyJenious said:
Dbol for 12 weeks straight won't do anything but fuck you up! After 4 weeks dbol loses it effects so if you want to do 12 weeks of dbol...then you would want to cycle it for 4 weeks. Take at least 4-5 weeks (6-8 weeks is even better) off then cycle it for another 4 weeks.
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