Jenetic said:
or Liver Guard by Source Naturals @ 4-10 tabs ED
Jenetic
Hey .. thats my supp! lol. Very nice ingredient list to it, but you are right you need to take more than the recommended dose for it to be effective. Its what us Canadians have to use in place of Tylers seeing as how we can't get it up here. Source naturals also has a pretty nice lineup of other supps, I bought some SAMe and TMG from them as well.
Anywhoo ... this is a great thread. Dbol is the king of all steroids, peroid. I will give my praise to it, whenever i get the chance.
Jenetic, to answer you Q, dbol is used as a kickstart for the simple reason that people want something both fast, and effective, to start their cycle with while waiting for longer acting depots to start accumulating. Although I agree, its not dbol's sole purpose, it does make sense, and it is effective. It usually works very synergystically with common long acting drugs as well like Deca and Test, so yes, it would still work extrememly well after the "kickstart" period and probably even better when working with other steroids like Deca. The reason why a lot of people bash people wanting to so a dbol only cycle, is becuase, usually these bashers are uneducated and think that the guy is looking for a "water" cycle. OR .. the guy wanting to do the cycle is doing it only because he is scared of needles.
It pisses me off to no end when I here people say that dbol does nothing more than fill you with water. In my experience with dbol, this can easily be controlled. I have found that even diet can help this immensly. The truth is that nothing will promote true anabolism like dbol will, nor will it have such a great effect on protein metabolism. This is why it is KEY, to keep protien intake extrememly high while taking dbol, because plain and simple, it supports the buildup of protien much better than other drugs. I would say the only other that comes close to it in this department as far as protien is concerned, is anavar. So to all those that think that they are just gaining water, well the additional body weight consists of a true increase in tissue (hyper-trophy of muscle fibers) that dbol is building behind the scenes, and that you will be left with when any water is done and gone.
Dbol is one drug though that I always find really hard to believe when people say they dont respond to it. If there is one drug that "should" work for EVERYONE, it should be dbol. There are a few peeps who do report not responding to it, like my good bro junk is one of them, although he seems to be super human or something. lol.. (or using fake dbol - hehehe).
The big reason why dbol "should" work for everyone, and why it is so effective, is becuase it is can reduce endogeneous CORTISONE by 50-70%, making it the mother of ALL anti-catabolics. This is why dbol "should" work on everbody. I have seen the studies, posted by FONZ of all people, but they were very interesting. It really doesn't raise test levels that much, (about 5 times your normal level) but it has an unreal impact on muscle catabolism. This is just one of the huge benefits from dbol.
My experience with dbol has led me to believe that there are a few things that you can do, to reap the pure benefits of dbol.
1. Stuff as much protien in your face, and down the hatch as you possibly can while taking it. Again, the cleaner you do this, the leaner the gains will be.
2. Find the optimal dosage. I really think that there is a threshold where dbol works very well, and has MINIMAL to ZERO sides. This is obviously differerent for everyone, but the key is to find this threshold that works for you. Some people grow great off of 15mg. Do any of you remember 40butpumpin? I remember him telling me that he responded very well off of 15mg/day. And he was a big dood ... with lots of juicing under his belt. I find personally that 25-30mg/day is the optimal dosage for myself. At this dosage, I grow great off it, and experince ZERO sides. Upping the dosage, and I get pumps pretty bad, in my legs and lower back, and fatigue hits me a little more. Going lower to around 15mg, and I dont see the gains as much. For me this is where its at, I hope I dont build a tolerance and have to up it for it to be effective. Once you find this threshold that works for you, you will happily reap dbol's awesome benefits.
This last cycle of mine was only 4 weeks and was Dbol/NPP/ with just 250mg of Omnadren, on day 1, 7, and 14. The cycle was originally supposed to be 6 weeks but had to cut it short for some timing reasons. BUT ... I really forgot how effective these 3 are at building muscle. I was almost satisfied with my cycle after 3 weeks.
The nandrolone and dbol stack SO WELL together, because while the Dbol is VERY anti-catabolic, the Deca is HIGHLY anabolic. In essence they complement each other perfectly.
That is why the old saying of "If you don't grow off Deca/dbol you won't grow of ANYHTHING" is so true, and so forgotton. No matter how fancy you get, it dosent get much better than that. The only thing that is better than deca/dbol, is deca/dbol and test! lol.
I personally wouldnt use it for longer than 4-5 weeks, but I see no reason not to. The only reason that I use it for shorter periods is because i dont want to push my luck with my hair. Otherwise I would never come off the stuff. I love it. Use it as a kickstart, eat em like candy, spriinkle them in your cereal, use it with NPP, use it in a cycle on its own, ... just know that if you are NOT using it, you are truley missing out. Dbol has been around a looooooong time, and has proven itself time and time again as the king muscle builder. My all time favourite.
Mavy
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DMI 
Or wait, 30mg would be better btw, 5mg every 3-4 hours
I TOTALLY respect you're reasoning to keep the guy's info private. I'll PM you later....TR
and I thought I was hardcore with 100mg for 4 weeks. 
