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when did these high doses become the right thing?

Like I said before who cares. I'm not referring to newbies, this is people that have been in the game for awhile.
As long as it's not a substitute for a poor diet and lack of training then, run as much as you want IMO.
 
i'm glad to see people like quadsweep had first cycles and of 250mg a week and gained 20lbs and kept the gains...

should be a great example to newbies that people over exaggerate what a first cycle should be..

mine was 20mg of dbol with 200mg of deca I swelled up 22lbs and kept 17 no pct or anything.

now for vets with shitloads of expertese years upoun years of training takeing it to the next level and stepping onstage the higher doses are needed...mainly during deit down phases to keep the muscle mass

but like mentioned before billy joe bob that dont even work his legs or even train correctly has no bussiness running running insane cycles ,prob is bliiy joe bob comes to a board and says i wanna look like quadsweep and then tries copying cycles of guys that have been working out for 10 years and spent 100,000's of thousands of dollars in food over the years...
i think quad mentioned once he spends like 1500$ a month in food and thats good quality food that he has to then cook and prepare on his own.
20k a year in just food....
while billy joe eat big macs and fries aint seeing the gains so he has to up his doses to 2 grams a week to make himself grow

its like a vicious cycle....i see it all the time guys at my gym pounding tons of gear and cant even make it to the gym 3 days a week to train...
 
Going back to the original question I think some guys always took high doses and some didnt (just like now). Away from internet message boards people dont like to admit how much there on because they feel it makes them less of a man or they worry about other people saying there just that size because of the large amounts of gear there pumping into there bodies, on here and other boards a persons use is more likely to be out in the open.
An ex competitor I know told me he was using 2grams + of test from back in the early 90's continually until just a couple of years ago so i guess theres always been guys pushing the boundries.
 
Nelson Montana said:
A perfect example. Someone with no cred whatsoever becoming a message board guru simply for the fact that he takes pro-level dosages. Meanwhile, he has a half assed fit body at best. It's good that he's been exposed and it's good he's gone.


I put on 25 pounds in two years drug free (in my late 30's) by training the right way and eating everything in sight. (And some supps for a little extra help). Food will do more than drugs. In fact, Larry Scott has said he felt the d-bol helped him put on mass mainly because it increased his appetite!
well lets look at it like this bro....

higher doses=more sides.more sides=more products sold for the sides hmmmmm
no wonder some people push higher doses as the way to go. :)
 
solidspine said:
Nelson




I have no idea what kind of cycles or gear he takes,

my interest are personal and not based upon jealously or competitive rivalry.

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WHY WOULD I BE JEALOUS OF ULTER? I'VE ACCOMPLISHED FAR MORE THAN HE AND LOOK BETTER ON HRT THAN HE DOES ON A GRAM A WEEK. I ALSO NEVER FELT ANY BUSINESS RIVALRY. HE WAS THE ONE WHO COULDN'T SHARE THE BOARD WITH ANY OTHER SPONSER, WHICH IS IN PART WHY HE'S GONE.



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“Exposed”

I am not certain what you are referring do, and don’t care and don’t want to know.

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FEEL FREE TO REMAIN IN THE DARK.



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But Ulter was a wealth of information


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YOU MEAN MIS-INFORMATION -- WHICH IS WORTHLESS. AND IN MANY CASES THE INFORMATION WAS HARMFUL.




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right or wrong and he will be missed on this board by many, myself included.


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RIGHT OR WRONG?!?!?! BEING WRONG WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS DRUG USE IS PRETTY DAMN IRRESPONSIBLE. IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT YOU ARE TAKING A VERY FOOLISH STANCE MY FRIEND.

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Re: when did these high doses become the right thing?

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Originally Posted by solidspine
Nelson




I have no idea what kind of cycles or gear he takes,

my interest are personal and not based upon jealously or competitive rivalry.

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WHY WOULD I BE JEALOUS OF ULTER? I'VE ACCOMPLISHED FAR MORE THAN HE AND LOOK BETTER ON HRT THAN HE DOES ON A GRAM A WEEK. I ALSO NEVER FELT ANY BUSINESS RIVALRY. HE WAS THE ONE WHO COULDN'T SHARE THE BOARD WITH ANY OTHER SPONSER, WHICH IS IN PART WHY HE'S GONE.



.................................................. ...........................

“Exposed”

I am not certain what you are referring do, and don’t care and don’t want to know.

.................................................. .............

FEEL FREE TO REMAIN IN THE DARK.



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But Ulter was a wealth of information


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YOU MEAN MIS-INFORMATION -- WHICH IS WORTHLESS. AND IN MANY CASES THE INFORMATION WAS HARMFUL.




.................................................. .
right or wrong and he will be missed on this board by many, myself included.


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RIGHT OR WRONG?!?!?! BEING WRONG WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS DRUG USE IS PRETTY DAMN IRRESPONSIBLE. IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT YOU ARE TAKING A VERY FOOLISH STANCE MY FRIEND.

I stand by what I said originally,

I am not in the dark, and can certainly discern information from misinformation.

When it comes to what gear or supplements to use and take, I trust my own experience and my own judgment completely.


“RIGHT OR WRONG?!?!?! BEING WRONG WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS DRUG USE IS PRETTY DAMN IRRESPONSIBLE. IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT YOU ARE TAKING A VERY FOOLISH STANCE MY FRIEND”

As mentioned, I trust my own opinion, implicitly.

You are generalizing, which does not mean you are correct, I have a better idea of what gear I have used, what works for me and what is irresponsible or foolish, you do not.
 
solidspine said:
I stand by what I said originally,

I am not in the dark, and can certainly discern information from misinformation.

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When it comes to what gear or supplements to use and take, I trust my own experience and my own judgment completely.


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You are generalizing, which does not mean you are correct, I have a better idea of what gear I have used, what works for me and what is irresponsible or foolish, you do not.
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NO GENERALIZING AT ALL. BUT IF YOU THINK SOMEONE WHO GIVES BAD ADVICE IS VALUABLE SIMPLY FOR THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GIVING OUT ANY ADVICE AT ALL...THAT'S FOOLISH IMO.

YOU WERE THE ONE WHO SAID YOU WERE UNAWARE. ULTER WAS A HEAVY USER WHO HARDLY HAD ANY MUSCLE. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT HE GAVE GOOD INFORMATION WHEN HE COULDN'T EVEN LOOK DECENT WITH GRAM + DOSAGES? HELL, I LOOKED BETTER THAN HE DOES BEFORE I EVER TOUCHED A STEROID AND MY GENETICS SUCK.

WHAT DID ULTER EVER SAY THAT WAS HELPFUL OTHER THAN TO GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO USE HEAVY DOSAGES AND BUY HIS PRODUCTS? I'M CURIOUS.


HEY, IF 2 GRAMS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, DO IT. IF YOU'VE HAD LIVER PROBLEMS AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND AT AGE 57 WANT TO PUT ON 20 POUNDS, GO FOR IT. I MAY THINK THAT ISN'T WISE FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THE RISK TO YOUR HEALTH, BUT YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO IT. PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER SEE BROS LEARN MORE ABOUT BUILDING MUSCLE AND USE SAFER DOSAGES, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER DUDES AND NEWBIES.




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Well Nelson Montana I guess we will respectfully disagree on a few subjects but I will gladly keep you informed regarding my cycle, training, gear and progress.

Hopefully I won’t collapse because of my weakened condition
(advanced age, failing liver, skyrocketing blood pressure)
mostly due to moronic advice & my witless decisions.
 
Why does EVERY single thread that Nelson posts in end up in an arguement?
Damn, this guy is annoying, like one of those little gnats that just won't leave you alone.
 
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