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do women who are starting to look like men know they are? do they look in the mirror and think their big jaw and man face is sexy? :p

it really is amazing how people see themselves. I suppose just like some far arses dont realize they're fat or skinny people dont see that either.

any way my question is do you know any female BB who dont realize they look more man than WOman?
 
a bodybuilders mirror is the most distrusted item in the universe

almost no one who bodybuilds looks at the mirror and sees what is there
its a true illness for some
and just a problem for others
 
I haven’t read Harrison Pope, but I swear the gear messes with their brains,

Chicks I know on gear are always looking at their biceps, back, legs, kind of

Idolizing every little new muscle they get,

In the meantime their faces start to look like Clint Eastwood.
 
From the online dictionary :


Muscle dysmorphia is a disorder in which a person becomes obsessed with the idea that he or she is not muscular enough. Sometimes referred to as bigorexia or reverse anorexia nervosa, it is a very specific type of body dysmorphic disorder (BDD).

Muscle dysmorphia can cause people to--

Check themselves constantly in a mirror
Become distressed if they miss a workout session
Take potentially dangerous drugs--anabolic steroids, example
Neglect jobs, relationships, or family because of excessive exercising
But to be diagnosed as muscle dismorphic the person must exhibit symptoms of the type and degree outlined in the DSM-IV-TR for body dysmorphic disorder, not merely appear overinterested in the physique or engage in behaviors other people would find unwise.

In his 2000 book The Adonis Complex, the Harvard psychiatrist Harrison Pope argues that muscle dysmorphia is fueled by the portrayal of overly fit characters of unattainable musculature in children's cartoons, such as G.I. Joe or Batman.
 
damn...I bet some, if not most, of the people here have a few of those symptoms.

I'll be honest - I do.

I'm not over the edge though (doesn't denial confirm it though lol)
 
My ex once told me i was fucked in the head and rattled with all kinds of eating disorders. 6 meals a day she thought i was or had to be throwing some of it up. One time I wanted to taste sweets so bad and was on a strict diet so I would chew on snickers in my mouth and then spit it out into a bag each bite chew savor the flavor then spit it out then throw away the whole bag brush my teeth and down a protien drink . She said i was going to kill myself to me it seemed like the perfectly normal thing to do looking back on it it does seem kinda fucked up but I did not need the extra calories and had no more sugar free jello left to feed my sweet tooth.
Now protien drinks taste better then 10 yrs ago so they help curb the sweet tooth plus on saturday i now eat what ever i want as a cheat day.

I agree with above i bet most everyone at one time or another has done something similar
 
solidspine said:
From the online dictionary :


Muscle dysmorphia is a disorder in which a person becomes obsessed with the idea that he or she is not muscular enough. Sometimes referred to as bigorexia or reverse anorexia nervosa, it is a very specific type of body dysmorphic disorder (BDD).

Muscle dysmorphia can cause people to--

Check themselves constantly in a mirror
Become distressed if they miss a workout session
Take potentially dangerous drugs--anabolic steroids, example
Neglect jobs, relationships, or family because of excessive exercising
But to be diagnosed as muscle dismorphic the person must exhibit symptoms of the type and degree outlined in the DSM-IV-TR for body dysmorphic disorder, not merely appear overinterested in the physique or engage in behaviors other people would find unwise.

In his 2000 book The Adonis Complex, the Harvard psychiatrist Harrison Pope argues that muscle dysmorphia is fueled by the portrayal of overly fit characters of unattainable musculature in children's cartoons, such as G.I. Joe or Batman.
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A lot of those symptoms also describe someone who is passionate about something.. like Sports for example... or World of Warcraft. :o
 
acneman said:
a bodybuilders mirror is the most distrusted item in the universe

almost no one who bodybuilds looks at the mirror and sees what is there
its a true illness for some
and just a problem for others
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very true and very sad, expecially for the women in this sport
I think also many do not get eductaed on what they use and what it will do to thier body
 
Another case I used to wonder about are the dbol dome-heads. At what stage does the moon-face start to think he needs an AI?

Guys in denial about their gyno might fall into this too.
 
chazk said:
My ex once told me i was fucked in the head and rattled with all kinds of eating disorders. 6 meals a day she thought i was or had to be throwing some of it up. One time I wanted to taste sweets so bad and was on a strict diet so I would chew on snickers in my mouth and then spit it out into a bag each bite chew savor the flavor then spit it out then throw away the whole bag brush my teeth and down a protien drink . She said i was going to kill myself to me it seemed like the perfectly normal thing to do looking back on it it does seem kinda fucked up but I did not need the extra calories and had no more sugar free jello left to feed my sweet tooth.
Now protien drinks taste better then 10 yrs ago so they help curb the sweet tooth plus on saturday i now eat what ever i want as a cheat day.

I agree with above i bet most everyone at one time or another has done something similar
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Damn, eating and then spitting out a snickers! That is hard core.

You know most people would think that is crazy but I give you praise for sticking to your diet!
:coffee:
 
You know what?
that's actually a good idea, I mean fuck you killed the craving without taking in all the calories.

Like having a fag in your mouth but no liting it when you're trying to quit smoking.


chazk said:
My ex once told me i was fucked in the head and rattled with all kinds of eating disorders. 6 meals a day she thought i was or had to be throwing some of it up. One time I wanted to taste sweets so bad and was on a strict diet so I would chew on snickers in my mouth and then spit it out into a bag each bite chew savor the flavor then spit it out then throw away the whole bag brush my teeth and down a protien drink . She said i was going to kill myself to me it seemed like the perfectly normal thing to do looking back on it it does seem kinda fucked up but I did not need the extra calories and had no more sugar free jello left to feed my sweet tooth.
Now protien drinks taste better then 10 yrs ago so they help curb the sweet tooth plus on saturday i now eat what ever i want as a cheat day.

I agree with above i bet most everyone at one time or another has done something similar
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heavy_duty said:
You know what?
that's actually a good idea, I mean fuck you killed the craving without taking in all the calories.

Like having a fag in your mouth but no liting it when you're trying to quit smoking.
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he means cigarette guys.

heavy_duty your gonna have half the c&c crew giving you pm's
 
It’s not a matter of what people think it is a matter of fact-

Fact = she think she looks like a girl

Fact= she looks very manly and has masculine features because she uses male hormones

Skinny people look in the mirror and see fat.
Manly muscular juiced up girls look in the mirror and see a sexy feminine princess LOL


mlong23 said:
Some people just naturally don't care what others may think.
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acneman said:
a bodybuilders mirror is the most distrusted item in the universe

almost no one who bodybuilds looks at the mirror and sees what is there
its a true illness for some
and just a problem for others
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That's true man...the only time you feel somewhat satisfied with what you see is when you experience a fast muscle grow in a short period of time. But after a few days the illness catch up again and you wanna keep growing and growing.
 
You know i have that shit i look in the mirror and i see that i look like shit then other people like damn dood your jacked and i am like no i am not.....how do you cure that?
 
When it boils down to it, if I met a hot girl and she was a bit muscular I'd tag it. There are some girls out there that have muscles and are hot.
 
how about leaving those women alone?.....if they're happy with what they see in the mirror, let it be. Those women are just on a different path than what the majority of us think women should follow.....let em do what they want. I have to deal with shit about my size all the time from my family.....my dad thinks anyone over 180 is obese....no seriously, if you're 6ft tall.....he thinks 180 is "excessive". I'm at the point where I calmly say "shut the fuck up" and I walk out of the room.......so I empathize with bodybuilding women who just want to do their thing and have everyone leave them the fuck alone.....my .02
 
Theres a chick like that at my gym..voice is deep, manly face..i think shes come to her senses and stopped everything.....but the damage is done....
 
the manly facial features come from changing bodyfat redistribution away from the cheeks(they get the chizzled jaw of clint eastwood as someone already mentioned) and increased sebaceous gland development and sometimes increased skin pigmentation which happens alongside sebaceous gland development. in the early stages of masculinization it can be reversable, but with the high doses that women take and for extended periods they risk permanent virilization,,regardless of what type of AAS they use
 
bro there are tons out there with muscle and tight bodies that are hot then there are a few who...well.... have really big muscles and a face like Sly Stallone or Ken Shamrock.

justinjones1963 said:
When it boils down to it, if I met a hot girl and she was a bit muscular I'd tag it. There are some girls out there that have muscles and are hot.
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linux said:
Theres a chick like that at my gym..voice is deep, manly face..i think shes come to her senses and stopped everything.....but the damage is done....
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Linux! Hows it going bro have not seen you in here for a while!
 
heavy_duty said:
It’s not a matter of what people think it is a matter of fact-

Fact = she think she looks like a girl

Fact= she looks very manly and has masculine features because she uses male hormones

Skinny people look in the mirror and see fat.
Manly muscular juiced up girls look in the mirror and see a sexy feminine princess LOL
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Wow, you an idiot. Are you sad that those girls are able to pack on more size than you?
 
Women cross the line and men cross the line.Show a pic of Jay Cutler to a woman and ask her what she things and I bet she will say he looks nasty.
 
OK take Sly Stallon but he has a pussy not a dick.
same body same face...you want to fuck her right?

go for it man and I won't even call you an idiot (although I think it takes one to know one)



mlong23 said:
Wow, you an idiot. Are you sad that those girls are able to pack on more size than you?
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i get the same thing. people tell me i got huge but when i look in the mirror i see the scrawny old me and seems like everyone else is much bigger. :(
 
a lot of these girls when there not 4%body fat look pretty good and some when they get off the juice and settle in with fitness and 12/15% look very very good
Kim Chizevsky
http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/zeny/kim/kim01.jpg
http://www.mostmuscular.com/2002swusapro/fitness/chizevski05.jpg

Valentina Chepiga

http://tkfemuscle.com/images/contests/MsInt2002/chepiga_valentina8.jpg
http://www.musclewomen.cz/pics/galerie/billdobbins/valentinachepiga/valentinachepiga08.jpg
i met a female bodybuilder at my work.
i walked by her and did a kinda stupid double take
she was obviously pissed that i had stopped to stare
and seeing that i walked up to her and said
"im sorry about that but you look awesome. are you a pro."
she stopped being pissed right then and there
she was a nationally competeing amateur and i dont even remember her name
she was months away from a contest and probably carring 10/15% bf
she was about 5'10" at around 200# mabey a little more at that time with about 17.5' arms
we talked for about 20/30 min
she was sweet and very feminine despite the fact that her arms were 1/2 inch bigger than mine at the time although i was 25 lbs heavier than her
she even complimented me on my muscularity which was obvious flattery with no basis in fact
i probably would have made a play if her boyfriend hadnt showed up
who was also very cool(and very big)
i would bet that some of those girls could make a great bedroom compainion and i wouldnt turn one down
i mean if i wasnt married
 
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heavy_duty said:
The above pictures those girls look like girls.
I was not talking about ladies who look like that.

would you make a play for a girl with a super hot body but a face like this?

http://www.geocities.com/infofilm/gambar/gambar_filmografi/sylvester_stallone.jpg
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i dont know who that chick is but shes hot! :p :p :p :p :p

or this
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/501/medium/Titania_2003_2006.jpg
in three years a big difference in body but face stayed the same

but those pic i posted earlier were ms olympias before and after
so you know they juiced
 
please, no more pictures.

masculinisation is always horrible to look at, but if you've been soundly beaten with the ugly stick before juicing, then go ahead.

It's like being bald and running AAS, you're disadvantaged to begin with so who cares about hair loss :)
 
Ulter said:
It's not limited to women. But it would seem they have the most severe cases of it.
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I am TOTALLY dysmorphic. I will occasianally see what i reealy look like and I am shocked. Usually I think I look small and I am 225# at 6% and only 5'7" tall. Every now and then I will look in the mirror when I am training a client so I have a refrence point and its like BAM! Man I look big! and then its gone...weird as hell. As far as the women go, I try very hard and am very succesful in my advice to women on gear. I think some have loimited accesss but still desire to compete so they use the wrong gear or they get the wrong gear or bad advice. (Like the client I had who was told 15mg of Dbol for 4 weeks would not cause her Virilazation!SP?) And some I think see it and do not care. Very mesed up sport. The higher I get and more involved in judging duties the more......well the more I am saddened. On many levels its depressing. It has all changed. It seems my hereos are all gone.

Quadsweep

Sorry about the digression...I am high! :rasta: :rasta:
 
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heavy_duty said:
The above pictures those girls look like girls.
I was not talking about ladies who look like that.

would you make a play for a girl with a super hot body but a face like this?

http://www.geocities.com/infofilm/gambar/gambar_filmografi/sylvester_stallone.jpg
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bro...not many of us actually think those girls that look like "one of the boys"....are "hot".....what we're saying is, let em be......you have this serious vehemence built up towards them....but why? I have nothing but respect for even the biggest manliest women out there in bb'ing.....I just wouldn't sleep with them, that's not my thing.....although I do like muscle girls that still look like women.
 
Fuck, I was just shooting the shit about women who look like men but don't see it.
I have nothing but respect for their dedication but you don't need testosterone to have dedication.

serious vehemence built up towards them
 
I think that what those women do to themselves really takes them out of the realm of being true women... BUT I wouldnt stop any of them from doing it... if that is what they want and THEY are truly happy with what they acheive then more power to them... better then sitting on the couch and making yourself into a 350lb lump of shit
 
I tell ya what, I'd rather hang with a built chick instead of a fat ass. I see these lard ass women at the clubs getting attention from somewhat normal guys. Then I see the looks chicks with muscles get and it makes me sick. Almost always the comments come from out of shape people, women and men.
 
nsashbl01 said:
I tell ya what, I'd rather hang with a built chick instead of a fat ass. I see these lard ass women at the clubs getting attention from somewhat normal guys. Then I see the looks chicks with muscles get and it makes me sick. Almost always the comments come from out of shape people, women and men.
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well
ill take one of each
im not picky
 
heavy_duty said:
Fuck, I was just shooting the shit about women who look like men but don't see it.
I have nothing but respect for their dedication but you don't need testosterone to have dedication.

serious vehemence built up towards them
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so why are you here?....at a steroids forum? Is it because you've realized that training intensely without testosterone, and all of it's bastard children, just doesn't cut it? Well, that's why I'm here......so yes, you don't need testestosterone to have dedication to going to the gym.....but if you want to break through that glass ceiling you sure do. And that's what those girls are after......they don't want to be in playboy.
 
true, you don't need test to have dedication, but i'll tell you what, now that i've added AAS to my dedication, i am enjoying the process and results of my efforts to a much greater degree.

do i look like a man and just haven't noticed? good question. if i do, i don't attribute it to AAS use b/c i haven't been on that long, and i haven't ventured into some of the stronger stuff. it's hard to see ourselves objectively. and to a degree, it's relative. depending on what you think a woman "should" look like, you may have a higher/lower tolerance for amount of muscularity on a female.
now as far as the face is concerned, if you aren't pretty before using, AAS will not help the cause. however, there are women such as gina davis, christine roth, cindy phillips, etc, who have a good deal of muscle and beautiful feminine faces...so it's possible.

so, to back to the original topic, from what i've observed, some don't see the masculinization b/c it occurs gradually, and others are willing to live with it b/c the rewards of using AAS outweight the sides for them.
 
heavy_duty said:
do women who are starting to look like men know they are? do they look in the mirror and think their big jaw and man face is sexy? :p

it really is amazing how people see themselves. I suppose just like some far arses dont realize they're fat or skinny people dont see that either.

any way my question is do you know any female BB who dont realize they look more man than WOman?
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Yeah, theres one at my gym that is a freak. There is absolutely nothing feminine about her anymore... she looks, walks, and talks like a man. I don't know if anyone has seen the movie "Cobra" w/ Stallone, but she looks like the leader of the gang of psychos...squared off jaw, super prominent cheekbones, big chin. She is digusting. I don't understand the point of pushing something to the point that it makes you completely undesirable to the opposite sex. Everyone cringes at the sight of this chick, and I'm pretty sure she has a higher testosterone level than half the guys at the gym. :worried:
 
I Think some people reading this thread only read a few posts then hit reply. I never said one negative word about muscles on a female...of course we all love that!!! it was only about the face. (and clit and deep voice)

Muscles on a girl does not make her a man but a square ass jaw and 4" clitoris does LOL..
 
Post up a picture and we'll let you know if you're manly! :p


phoenix13 said:
true, you don't need test to have dedication, but i'll tell you what, now that i've added AAS to my dedication, i am enjoying the process and results of my efforts to a much greater degree.

do i look like a man and just haven't noticed? good question. if i do, i don't attribute it to AAS use b/c i haven't been on that long, and i haven't ventured into some of the stronger stuff. it's hard to see ourselves objectively. and to a degree, it's relative. depending on what you think a woman "should" look like, you may have a higher/lower tolerance for amount of muscularity on a female.
now as far as the face is concerned, if you aren't pretty before using, AAS will not help the cause. however, there are women such as gina davis, christine roth, cindy phillips, etc, who have a good deal of muscle and beautiful feminine faces...so it's possible.

so, to back to the original topic, from what i've observed, some don't see the masculinization b/c it occurs gradually, and others are willing to live with it b/c the rewards of using AAS outweight the sides for them.
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heavy_duty said:
I Think some people reading this thread only read a few posts then hit reply. I never said one negative word about muscles on a female...of course we all love that!!! it was only about the face. (and clit and deep voice)

Muscles on a girl does not make her a man but a square ass jaw and 4" clitoris does LOL..
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if that was directed at me, my apologies... i digressed.

yes, i know a couple. one doesn't see it, and the other accepts it as the price for the level of muscularity she has (pro in ifbb)
 
phoenix13 said:
of my jaw and my clit? :qt:
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nah butt will do to determine your femininity





now on a serious note

i have yet to see a female that did not have something going for her that i could make a compliment out of. except the bearded lady i used to work with(and if she would have just bathed i probably could have come up with something)
the sad fact is that women ofter are taught that appearance is the most important thing in thier lives. its sad because the apperance they are taught to have is unreachable for the majority. and threre are many more important things than apperance.

some guys will argue with me that they will only go for the hottest chicks but i garuntee they will have a story of the hot chick they let go or dumped because of they way they acted.

um thats all
i guess im sayin be nice to everyone
expecially girls
 
That's a good point.
As weird as this sounds and call me gay if you like but personally I can't handle the attention a super hot chick attracts in public. It is just not for me.

I dont like being around anybody that everybody is looking at.

oh and for the ones who like the attention, I'll look at you but I just won't hang with you LOL

attracting "some attention" is fine but not too damn much.

shit I probably am posting this on the wrong site LOL.
 
Ulter said:
Q, The people running BBing both pro and amateur aren't about the sport anymore. It's all about money now. They don't care how much they hack it up or what becomes of the participants. They want collect as much from every income stream that they can.
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Yep And I KNOW people who have ben asked to do a FAVOR and vote for an obvious non winner so they could turn pro.....THAT'S WRONG! And as a Judge it pisses me off. I would be like "yeah if they are good enough!" The sport has degraded and they made Fitness then Figure to get away from what female BB had become. all they needed to do was change the criteria and stick to it. Personally, I do not mind a chick that is muscular http://www.graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_competitor&CompetitorID=2656 (thats mine almost winning the Jr Nationals, had 3 1st on Tracy Mason who won overall) If you do it right they stay pretty. A little clitty growth is good...makes them more reactive...A LOT MORE! :p Definatly agree with comment about being way more attracted to a pretty muscular chick over a pretty fat one. BB chicks can fuck and fuck and fuck and fuck and fuck! Fat girls get tired easy....no wind!
 
Ulter said:
No one was more robbed than Elena last year in Vegas for the middle weight title at the USA's. They told the contestants the day of the show that they wanted the women to cut back 20% of their mass. ON THE DAY OF THE SHOW!
How the fuck you gonna do that? So the littlest girl won.
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Yeah thats bullshit. I think Tracy HAd my woman but I am just saying women can still be attractive and be muscular..Tracy Mason is Pretty also.

Q.
 
all they needed to do was change the criteria and stick to it.

SO TRUE!!! they should have just cut back a little each year till they no longer had the man face.
 
Quadsweep said:
Personally, I do not mind a chick that is muscular http://www.graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_competitor&CompetitorID=2656 (thats mine almost winning the Jr Nationals, had 3 1st on Tracy Mason who won overall) If you do it right they stay pretty. A little clitty growth is good...makes them more reactive...A LOT MORE! :p Definatly agree with comment about being way more attracted to a pretty muscular chick over a pretty fat one. BB chicks can fuck and fuck and fuck and fuck and fuck! Fat girls get tired easy....no wind!
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THAT"S a HAWT CHICA! ;)

Ulter I agree - Elena is top notch and wears it well. She should've gotten her pro card 3x over already...
 
bw1 said:
Melissa Dettwiller


www.melissadettwiller.com
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Know her...used to be Pump Girl Here on EF. I did not realize it untill she was onstage at the Jr Nationa;ls this year at the night show so I did noty get a chance to say hey.

Quad
 
Quadsweep said:
Know her...used to be Pump Girl Here on EF. I did not realize it untill she was onstage at the Jr Nationa;ls this year at the night show so I did noty get a chance to say hey.

Quad
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That's right, Pump Girl...Forgot about that
 
everyone please google "cindy phillips"......that girl is, IMO, the hottest girl I've ever laid eyes on. She's a way more buff and way prettier version of brittany spears. Holy god there is no place on that body my tongue wouldn't go!!
 
we like the girls
4d7ejv9.jpg

this is awsome
2e4m39g.jpg


but this just looks like a dude slapped on a bikini and for got to shave in the morning.
2vkagrl.jpg


they should make the girls at the bodybuilding shows get examined by a doctor and let the doctors decide I garantee some of those " chics" are packing a little pecker down below or a clit so long it can be classified as a penis
2aa0yrm.jpg


nice male pattern baldness girly lay off the fucking dht
 
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